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MJ & weight gain
A lot of times, marijuana causes an increase in appetite. You'll hear people who use it talk about "having the munchies".
That's my uneducated take on that :p |
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I think its because you never see a middle aged pothead whose been smoking for , say 20 years. They probably would have a 'bulge'. :eek: The reality show junkies and potheads usually don't have a healthy attitude towards diet, anyway. They don't eat right and sometimes just don't eat- except for the munchies.:( I remember an episode in college (I weighed 185 lbs then) when I smoked some MJ & ate an entire 12" pecan pie, with a quart of Budweiser to wash it down, in less than 30 minutes and wanted something else for 'dessert'.:rolleyes: MJ always gave me a craving for sweets, but I could just as easily have eaten a couple of 14" pizzas, or emptied an entire refrigerator. :cool: |
Then I am very happy I do not smoke pot. I have spent the last 4 years eating soundly, losing weight and taking care of myself. The last thing I need to do is gain back the weight and have my sugar go up. Not going to happen.
Thankfully, I don't need mj, but it's good to have the information. And when I said I see potheads on tv, I meant those intervention shows. These drug addicts (and I know they do more than smoke pot), but they all weight 90 lbs, have no teeth and look like they are near death's door. Very sad |
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Now answer me this one. You said that taking medical mj might cause a bit of weight gain. why?? *** Comes from a decades-old myth that smoking MJ gives you the munchies (and it does for some, I guess -- maybe I'll share a story about an experience at a medical marijuana patient support group potluck). Every time I see a pothead on tv, they are always skinny and unhealthy looking. *** 'cause that's the easy stereo-type. So how could medical mj (or any mj) cause weight gain? *** Only if you use the MM as an excuse to eat bad, processed foods. ***OK -- I'm in a good mood right now and have a few minutes, so I'll tell my story. *** I was first introduced to MM by a friend/former client. I know about the program and knew that she had become a patient and then a grower. Once I go through the program and become certified, she encourages me to attend a MM patient social event -- a pot luck! I thought, that sounds OK, so let's go. *** I really had no idea what to expect. We arrived at the location. I presented my papers to the door man (my card had not arrived yet, but I had the official papers that said I'd submitted my application) and we walked in. The event was held on the basement floor of a business that made glass-ware for smokers (some really pretty stuff -- expensive!). We walked down the stairs into a room full of.... **** MY PARENTS' FRIENDS! No, really, the average age was probably late 50s. Sure, some young "patients" (who seemed to have the fanciest and most expensive smoking devices), but mainly older people. Seated at long tables with their smoking apparatus in front of them. *** I was pretty excited because I was going to meet people who grew different types, plus sample some different strains (MM growers are all generally geeks -- they love to have you sample their material and pronounce it "killer" or "smooth" or something like that. *** Someone had even brought a liquid chocolate fountain for dipping strawberries where the chocolate had MM infused in it. *** It quickly became apparent to me that there was going to be some serious smokin' going on. *** Someone had put out chips and salsa. It was there I realized potheads and potlucks are probably not a good combination as I watched a guy pick up a chip, dip into the salsa, chomp, dip a second time, chomp, dip a third time (!) and start all over again. *** So yes -- some people do smoke their brains out and lose all sense of proper decorum at potlucks.. But I wouldn't say even he was very fat... Cowboy |
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And when I said I see potheads on tv, I meant those intervention shows. These drug addicts (and I know they do more than smoke pot), but they all weight 90 lbs, have no teeth and look like they are near death's door. *** While those addicts you describe are almost certainly crack heads or meth addicts, it is certainly true that they probably also smoke pot. Meth does have those kinds of bad physical effects on people. I've known a few serious drug addicts and they look just plain sick. And they are! *** Back in the 60s, the claim was pot was a "gateway" drug. Gateway in the sense that if you have to find a drug dealer to buy pot, you will probably get opportunities to try other drugs. *** I think legalizing pot (yes, for recreational users as well) would be a very smart move for America -- all of those narco-gangs growing pot in our national forests would just vanish. Law enforcement would have more resources for serious crime and if it was taxed and sold through state outlets like alcohol is done in many states, well... ***But I am off topic. Sorry. Cowboy |
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Wow, boy did I learn stuff today THAT I NEVER KNEW IN ALL MY LIFE. People get together for coffee and cake sessions and they bring bongs (or whatever they are called), and they do MM. NEVER EVER KNEW THIS IN ALL MY LIFE. And this is funny, because tonight I am having my friendly neighbors over for coffee and cake (my lovely muffins), and other indulgences. I can't wait to see the look on their faces when I tell them "Do you know that people get together and do this and smoke pot?" They will think I am off my mind. So is it correct to ascertain that all of the people in the room have some kind of pain condition for which nothing else worked and pot does the trick. And you have papers to prove that you should get a card?? Really? THIS BEATS WOODSTOCK!! lol Melody P.S. thanks for the information, I knew NOTHING about these things. |
Just to add to this discussion a bit, I have issues with many foods. I know pain meds mess with our digestion too, yet outside of that, many foods cause constipation too. I found quite by accident, dairy was causing me to have insomnia...now if I get some dairy, I get constipation too. Recently, I added pecans to my list of foods, and they caused constipation for me. My food list is very limited, so when something new is added, it is very easy for me to figure out the culprit.
I love the little individual prunes, but can't have them anymore while on a yeast overgrowth diet.:( I read yesterday too, when constipated, drink lots of water. Actually, it says to drink 2 quarts of water daily for your health..I probably drink 1 quart a day. |
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From my point of view, you've led a pretty sheltered life, when it comes to 'field' experience with recreational drugs.:eek::confused: BTW, your muffins would be a perfect way to infuse MJ (liberally sprinkle it in like basil or parsley) at one of those gatherings.:p:winky: My girlfriend (in the 60's) had a 'killer' recipe for double chocolate fudge pot brownies.:D So delicious you could keep on munching them all night with milk, coffee, or tea- except that just one was enough to get you pretty darn high for an entire evening.:cool: |
I sometimes wish I had this problem (no not really) because even with constipating meds, I have chronic "D". It is such a drain on my energy. I try to keep things healthy with my daily consumption of yogurt and buttermilk. Both have pro-biotics and are easy to digest.
On the few occasions I have been constipated, prune Juice or apricot nectar work well for me. I used to find that MJ worked great for nausea. I have been through some touch times with chronic nausea. Problem was it would put me into a dysautonomic tailspin that felt sort of like an anxiety attack. Not good. Hope you are all enjoying your Spring. We have been having a beautiful one in the mid-Atlantic. Mere |
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So is it correct to ascertain that all of the people in the room have some kind of pain condition for which nothing else worked and pot does the trick. *** Not just some kind of pain condition -- they must have a qualifying condition (the most visible is cancer, but the list of qualifiers is fairly broad and pain is just one) And you have papers to prove that you should get a card?? Really? *** "Had" papers to show my application for a card was pending; now I have a card -- it's laminated like a DL but without a picture. THIS BEATS WOODSTOCK!! *** Yeah, in a way (a very high percentage of Viet Nam vets -- you know, guys that have been affected in some way -- PTSD) until you talk to a person who doesn't show up at the next social because she died. Cowboy. PS -- One of the better strains for me is called "God" and came from the garden of that woman. When she died my friend/grower had to go in and clear out all of her garden. |
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Mel, BTW, your muffins would be a perfect way to infuse MJ (liberally sprinkle it in like basil or parsley) at one of those gatherings.:p:winky: *** The better way is to create canna-butter which you then use in baking. You have to be careful with other people's baked goods, though, because the strength can be quite high... so to speak. Cowboy |
[QUOTE=Mere;654895]I sometimes wish I had this problem (no not really) b
Hope you are all enjoying your Spring. We have been having a beautiful one in the mid-Atlantic. *** Heard a rumor strawberries were in at the farmers' market. Yes! Also some dried prunes. I want to switch off of pills -- but worry about eating too much of the natural stuff... Cowboy |
OK lots of opinions, many good comments and getting off on tangents...which is good?
Mere, as for meds and other stuffs resulting in less 'control'? I guess I'd check out the 'gastro' forums? Because they are likely to suffer one or the other in extremes. Diet I believe is key to keeping some 'surprises' to a lower key degree.
Bob your astuteness is on target as always. Cowboy? Love your attitude! For Me? Lately? A pod from the salad bar, daily of fruit, is helping keep things going well...fiber and other things wise? Cy? Last year, when I was in rehab? I took my 'cereal' seriously[fresh ANYTHING was non-existent!]... and I was on mondo pain meds to boot! It was the day before I was 'discharged'? That the river rocks moved down the mountain stream! To this day, I get arm goosebumps when things evolve out as they should! It gets dull at times? But is a necessary thing to do to keep the whole happy? The 'issue' I'd alluded to at first? Was possible 'diverticulitis' {it was to be confirmed? But I went into the hospital w/broken leg instead}, Most likely caused by either the onset of my immune neuropathy [was often cited as a symptom, in the past, less so now, for some unknown reason?] and having been on those dratted pain-killers that put a plug into your gut w/no guidance as to how to compensate for the s/e's Some OTC or some specialty meds can help? But not before some damage mite be done! So WARNING? Melody? Maybe you should have Alan checked out for this Diverticulitis? It's usually painful, for me not tho... At the basics tho, it usually entails a colonoscopy. Most folks don't "volunteer" for that one tho... Can't imagine why? Been there done that... Mostly tho? Docs don't THINK to take pre-emptive tactics before they occur. But then....they treat ONE problem, not the consequences. Short thinking in some circles IMHO? I do not wish nor care to eat 'ultra grain bars' to get and keep my life going! THere must be simpler ways, and I know Mrs D has many good options... Mrs D? Can/Could you speak up to this 'issue'? Please? -- j PS who'd a thot this could be such an important yet pertinent issue? For soo many? DOCS take NOTE! PLEASE!!!!!! |
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I was raised in parochial school by nuns. There was no RECREATIONAL ANYTHING. lol Mel |
"Melody? Maybe you should have Alan checked out for this Diverticulitis?"
Alan, during his last colonoscopy, was told he had diverticulitis and not to eat anything with seeds. He has NEVER had any kind of problem with this disorder. His stomach is fine. And he's back to normal. He has bad PN days but I asked him "do you ever want to go back on pain meds?" His answer is always the same: 'Not if you paid me'. He had a hard time way back when, with the consipation and then with getting off of the fentanyl. He had to go into rehab and after one day, when they could not find any drugs in his system (he walked in wearing a fentanyl pain patch), and he had to kick it all by himself. Took 5 days. Like a really really bad flu. He says he never wants to go through that again. The reason they couldn't find any drugs in his system (he was told this, I have no idea if this is true), is that they need a special test to test for fentanyl. They just tested for pot and coke, etc. He tried to explain that he walked in wearing the patch, they knew he had it on, but the stupid people who ran the rehab (out of the hospital), well, something to do with his insurance, I don't know. But that was 8 years ago, and Dr. Theirl got him to tritate down from the 125 every two days. That's right EVERY TWO DAYS. Not 3 days like most people. And vicodin for breakthrough pain. I'll never forget that time in his life. He says it was like a miracle the first time he put that patch on. All the pain left. But then he had to keep increasing it and when he hit 125, the doctor told him. "we can't go any higher". So we found Dr. Theirl and he did his thing, and the rest is history. Alan manages with massage and his vibrating thing that he puts on his thigh and the blood goes down into his feet. He does as best he can. Melody |
R.S. cowboy, lots of nice berries available right now. We have a strawberry farm close by where you pick them yourself. They use biologicals (spiders) for pest control which, I think, is pretty cool. You just have to pick around the spiders...
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I would drop dead, that I can assure you. I don't like bugs in any way shape or form. If I see an ant in my apartment, I go nuts. I use one of those chemical free, ORANGE GUARD sprays that gives off a nice orange oil smell to it. It's supposed to keep the ants away. When I don't use the Orange guard, I use ant bait traps. I DON'T LIKE BUGS. And you actually pick berries and brush away spiders? You are one brave cookie. Mel |
MelodyL, You sound like my neighbor, Joyce. She hates spiders and bugs. Every couple of weeks or so, I see the exterminator truck go up the hill to her house...
I am not too crazy about spiders either, but I sure like berries :winky: |
Spideys eat the bugs, including roaches - they keep the bug population under control.
Where there are spiders, you won't be overrun with other tyes of bugs. |
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Melody shall be UNDER THE COVERS!! lol |
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Then when I developed diabetes at age 40, I was given Metformin. Well!!! that absolutely ruined me. I could never go anywhere because I had to go to the bathroom all the time with these awful stomach cramps. I knew it was the Metformin, but I wasn't ready to make lifestyle changes in my diet (you know, eating greens, giving up refined carbs, etc.). But 4 years ago, after seeing a nutritionist, and LISTENING to this person, I made that choice, and lo and behold, as long as I don't get stressed, I'm as regular as rain. I take my benefiber, I drink lots of water, I eat my veggies and colorful sprouts, and I have no problem. (usually) But god forbid there is an unexpected even in my surroundings, or my son emails me with whatever he is saying, THAT DAY, I DON'T GO. This happens like a clock. I get bad news. I don't go. I keep myself in nice state of CALM, and I even chant OOH MANI PADME OHM (I once took a course on this at a local high school). It was to determine if any of us were psychic. I thought it was a lot of hooey but I went along with it. We learned how to chant during the class. OOHM MANI PADMI OOOHM!! I went along with it. Then during one of the classes, the guy in the front of the class said "I'm going to give you all a test, I'm holding up a brown envelope, and in this envelope is a photograph". "I want each and every one of you to focus your attention on this photograph and try and write down what you think it is". So I gave it some thought and I wrote down "a man with his arms spread wide open" (I will never forget this as long as I live, I was in my late 20's or so). So we are all writing down what we think is in the envelope. The guy opens the envelope and there is a picture of Jesus on the Cross. We all went around the room holding up what we wrote, and every time someone got close enough to describing the photo, the guy would shout "WE HAVE A HIT, WE HAVE A HIT". Well, you should have seen his face when he got to me. I nailed it and he's screaming "WE REALLY HAVE A HIT HERE". This kind of thing only happened once more where I knew something bad was going to happen before it did. And that was the end of that. But one thing I learned from that experience was to try and not let stress control my body. So sometimes I lay down and chant OOHM MANI PADMI OHM. over and over. Now here is where this is really interesting. Now remember I haven't heard this chant from any external source in over 35 years. Yesterday I go on Ebay trying to find a silver turquoise bracelet. I do a search and what is the first bracelet I see? A silver and turquoise bracelet and the first line in the guy's description says: "From Tibet. OOH MANI PADMI OOHM. I said 'that's it, that's the bracelet for me". Cost me all of $5.00 with $2.00 shipping. I don't look a gift horse in the mouth. So I shall keep chanting OOOHM MANI PADMI OOHM, taking my benefiber, drinking lots of water, and GOOOOO!! lol |
Melody,
You just slay me!!!....... :cool::eek::p;):D (LOLOL) |
Bob with the slay...makes me think of sleigh....which makes me think of gift horse, and then a 'horse drawn sleigh'.....as in jingle bells.....which makes me think of Tibetan prayer bells.....
maybe I need to ohm mani padme ohm. Round and round we go. Mel...you must be psychic. I just see dead people.:eek: |
Here is a weird story. When I picked up my chicks at the farm store....they had a bunch in a glass brooding box.....one was obviously not going to make it and a bunch of ladies were ooohing and awing as the poor chick got trampled. They knew I was picking up chickens and they asked me to take the poor thing and see what I could do. For the unintiated, baby chicks come in boxes like fruit, only, not as well packed...They can get injured. This one looked injured.
I agreed provided the chick was in her own box and, not with my chickens (disease you know?) And that she was free.... Anyway, I took her home in my jacket and and then placed her under the heat lamp, but she didn't make it. I had placed an order for 5 female plymouth barred rocks (nice dispositions), 5 female ameraucanas (blue egg layers), 5 rhode island reds (winter hardy, all round good layers) and ONE plymouth barred rock rooster chick.....That was what I had. Two of my ameraucana chicks are white, 3 are a mixed brown color. My 16 chickens are all fine and going on 10 days old.....yesterday, I kept looking and counting and could only count 16...but I kept adding up the colors and the colors came out to 17, not 16 like I paid for..... There were 6 rhode island reds! I pestered my husband to do the math, and he said 17....I said there can not be. I swear to God, there were only 16.....yesterday, I counted 6 rhode island reds, and I swear I had only 5 to start with. The one that died was a rhode island red, but she wasn't in my count, she was extra....this is down right creepy. I even painted the 16 names on the coop! Now I need another name for my mystery chicken.....this is too weird. There are 17! Today, I counted all of them by placing them in a new box.....17.:) |
I would name her Karma. Just because. She might be good luck for you!
I suspect it was difficult for the original breeders to count them too. |
Karma it is.....MRSD, the first thing I did was count my chickens, (after they hatched, lol.)
I have counted them almost daily! Either I am going blind, or I am totally math impaired. One rhode island red is a lot smaller....I noticed her the other day, when checking chicken butts....long story, but one has to check chicken behinds....hers needed a bit of a cleaning. (Mother hens are useful for some things and when one does not have a mother hen....one gets to do all these motherly tasks.) I have on several occasions, taken these chickens out and counted them. I swear there were 16. Of course, two nights ago, I slipped while crouching and knocked myself silly on the wall....bruised my left side up and scraped up my elbow. I know this sounds nuts, and reason would dictate that there were 17 all along. I was grousing for a while thinking my 2 white chickens were not ameraucanas, but they are...they got the distinctive cheek tufts. This was when it hit me that there are 6 rhode island reds! Anyway, Karma is the smallest rhode island red. |
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Alan and I are up on youtube singing JINGLE BELLS. It's the first video I made with him. How cool is this? Mel |
Do you know that one of the earliest memories I have (I must have been 5 or so), is that during the Easter Holidays, one's parents would buy them baby chicks. Now don't ask me WHY anyone would bring baby chicks into the house, because DON'T THEY KNOW THAT BABY CHICKS GROW UP TO BE CHICKENS??
Well, each Easter, I would have a little box of 10 or so baby chicks in the kitchen. I don't remember what I did with them. I DO remember that they would die, one by one, and my father would simply handle this. It seems that many italian families did this over 50 years ago. I don't know if this is still done. Every year, until I was 7 or so, ...BABY CHICKS in my kitchen, in a deep cardboard box. I remember asking my father "won't they climb out?" Why on earth did my parents buy me baby chicks only to have them die? I'll never understand this. All this came back to me in a flash when I read your post. Melody |
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