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10-19-2010, 06:49 PM | #11 | |||
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Medicine, science, law, the Church (Roman Catholic) have all historically used Latin. Latin, and to a lesser extent Greek, though dead languages, were the universal languages during the dark ages, when books were copied by hand, so back then it made sense. The tradition carried on for centuries, partly as mrsD notes, to perpetuate mystique, and partly as a practical matter so scholars from different countries could communicate more efficiently. However most disciplines have contemporized within the past century (post industrial revolution), which makes the holdovers stick out - especially, as in this case, in an ingredients list. First it makes me chuckle. Then it makes me wonder what, if anything, they're trying to hide. But for all I know, maybe it is still the way homeopaths do it. I learn something every day.
The lead thing by itself doesn't bother me. Our bodies contain many substances in small quantities that are deadly in larger amounts. Vitamin B-12 is one excellent example; cyanocobalamin, the most common form of B-12, contains cyanide - a deadly poison - that our bodies strip off of the larger molecule before metabolizing the cobalamin. But the cyanide is in such minute quantities that it is not problematic for most people. OTOH, lead has gotten a lot more press coverage during the past couple of generations, and may send up more warning flags - even in minute quantities.
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10-20-2010, 06:25 AM | #12 | |||
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Also the term homeopathy is misused frequently. People and even some doctors think that vitamins, minerals, or other nutrient support, is "homeopathy". In reality the correct term is "complementary". (some use the word "alternative", but that is more correctly applied to herbs and things like acupuncture).
Also some homeopathic products are now including some ingredients in larger amounts. I think this new development is confusing, because it violates the basic definition of homeopathy! (of treating like with like). Also we don't need to use the cyano form of B12 anymore. The active methyl form is readily available and inexpensive. There are people who cannot activate cyano, and there are even some who do get toxic on the cyanide form. Cigarette smoke contains cyanide! http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/814287-overview People who cannot metabolize rogue cyanide develop Leber's optic neuritis. (genetic failure) The main treatment for cyanide ingestion (from smoke or whatever) is hydroxocobalamin-- another form of B12, which complexes the cyano part and allows for renal clearance.
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10-20-2010, 07:25 AM | #13 | |||
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I spoze that depends on the definition of "readily". I can't go out to any local store/chain and buy it. It's either mail order or significant mileage, either of which negates the "inexpensive". With everything else we're suddenly having to add to the budget on a regular basis, we're at the point where choices have to be made and/or some things have to wait.
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10-20-2010, 01:15 PM | #14 | |||
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I've been doing some research to see if there is another way to go about all of this. I know people who have given themselves B12 shots, but I was never given that option. I am trying to find out where these people get the shots from (the needle, the B12.. whatever it takes to do it at home) and how much it costs. It sounds like a much cheaper alternative since I need it every month. Doctor visits are expensive. Dr. Zachary Smith, are you looking into shots or pill/sub-lingual form? I, too, am having to pick and choose what I take. I would love to do everything possible to help the PN... but there are MANY recommended supplements and everyone has their own opinions on which few are most necessary. I don't eat fish and don't get any (or very few) essential fatty acids... so I was going to find a supplement to take to get those. Then someone told me that it is more important to get B12 and Omega... whatever.. I don't know, there are 3s, 6s, and other ones. But I've seen a big long list of all the things that -may- help people. I can't afford them all.. and even if I could afford them, I cannot take pill after pill after pill a day. I already take over 20 pills a day, and one is Vitamin D... the rest are all prescription. That is already more than my stomach can tolerate.. so for me to add twelve different supplements is just not an option unless they can all be given in shots or other forms. I have to narrow it down and try to figure out what truly is the most important.. which is hard because I am not a doctor.. and everyone seems to have their own opinions on which are the most important. (I'm not stupid--I fully realize that it is important to get all of these things in our systems, whether through supplements or diet or whatever. But I just cannot get them all that way.. so I have to pick and choose.)
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10-20-2010, 02:13 PM | #15 | |||
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which is but one reason why its important to try to find out your cause so that you can pinpoint if possible what treatment you may need.
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10-20-2010, 02:16 PM | #16 | |||
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Yeah... but I am talking about beyond that. I know what levels were low and obviously I need to keep those up.. but everyone on here has their own opinions about anywhere from 2-15 other supplements that are "essential".
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10-20-2010, 02:28 PM | #17 | |||
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Vitacost also is very very affordable. For pennies a day, methyl B12 oral is available online. Local stores in general charge up to 40-60% more for many vitamin items. In fact 8 oz of inositol is about $70 here locally, and the identical product on iherb is about $13.00. Even with 4.95 shipping it is still a major savings! (my husband uses this) If you do wish to use methylcobalamin INJECTION, that will have to be compounded locally for you and that will cost. But the hydroxocolbalamin injection is cyanide free, and available at a drugstore, on RX usually special ordered. Many posters on these forums use iherb.com or vitacost. You should check them out!
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10-23-2010, 07:37 AM | #18 | |||
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When Al Franken had a radio show, he would do a mock game show where they would take a quote and the contestant would have it guess if it was:
a. Weasle words b. Sleazy out and out lie c. Sleazle: an out and out lie combined with weazle words
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04-24-2011, 07:02 PM | #19 | ||
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of all the neuropathy comments i see, it sure is strange that with all the negative feedback on NEUROVEEN, none of the people have said they have tried it.
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04-24-2011, 09:01 PM | #20 | |||
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it sure is strange that this would be your first post and it would be about a topic 6 months old. Tell us all about your product Tim.
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