Please let us know how it goes. I think many are curious about this treatment.

so i went to see the laser doc today.

it went very smoothly. during the consult I discussed my aprehension since I had just been TAKEN for 8K by some other chiropracters. we went thru my history, he looked at my latest lumbar MRI.

then we went to the exam room. He performed a standard diabetic neuropathy exam using about 10-12 individual tests like cold things and vibrating things. the pin. My score was 36 left/40 right. It said that a ~75 was normal. He showed a loss in almost all the tests and concluded i had a combination of small fiber and large fiber nerves affected. we started to discuss the laser and i asked if the laser treatements would become a lifelong commitment and need treatement forever. he said absolutley not. anything the laser resolves is fixed but that my body may continue to degenerate and these may need future treatments but these were very infrequent.

he said he felt the large fiber or motor nerves were prolly from my low back issues and he could address then later but felt that the small fiber neuropathy was treatable with the laser. He said they pretty much call the treatment a 20 visit plan. he said they needed to be done in as short a timespan as possible. however he understand my concern and suggested i consider 10 visits. he wants 1250 or so for that. he said i can pay as i go or they would work with me in any way I needed. help with financing, etc.

i scheduled my FREE first treatment. I go in for that on Monday. he said he hasnt has anyone YET that didnt have some kind of relief within five visits. Kind of suiggested if I go ahead i go with 5 visits minimum to determine if it helps/

I went to the chiro on Momnday to recieve my first laser treatment.

I agreed to 10 treatments to start so I recieved a FULL treatment for my FREE visit. It was about 20 minutes with the lasers on.

so the treatment; they put this plastic bag over my foot and it went up to my knee. then they put some of the laser pads on the back of my ankle and put these clam shell like things on my feet. a blanket to keep the light in for others. I didnt FEEL much except some small tingles here and there. That was it.

I met a patient there who was on treatment 9 and said their level of discomfort and pain had been halved from the laser/

I am not sure why but i agreed to 10 treatments for 1299. they offered me just about any which way to pay.......even a monthly plan with no interest.

I have 4 scheduled next week/ so look for updates then/

Were you able to see the actual "laser" machine?
like the brand name & model #?

The laser my chiro uses is a hand held one* and only needs to be applied to an area for less than a minute.
* It is much like a Ultrasound machine with a base and then the actual laser part has a cord from the base to the laser tool/light portion.

What you describe sounds more like a LED light therapy- where it does take 20-30 minutes per area.


They can look very much alike and they may do the similar therapy , but they should not call it a laser if it is a LED.


I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want a LLLT to be on one area for 20+ minutes.


If you can see the brand & model then you can search it to see what it is.

I'm curious to know what they are using.

If a LED you could buy your own have it forever, same w/ LLLT really but they cost more.


this site shows both LED light therapy equipment & cost of machine & cold/soft/low level laser and costs
http://www.coldlasertherapies.com/category_s/1.htm
http://www.coldlasertherapies.com/Te...diance_s/2.htm
http://www.coldlasertherapies.com/category_s/3.htm
and of course there are plenty of other sites & prices

I would be cautious - seems to me if it really works we would be hearing more about it. I'm going to ask my neurologist when I go for my checkup this summer - he is not opposed to alternative treatments and was glad when I started acupuncture [it did give me some feeling back in my feet].

I would also check to make sure insurance covered this - it can't be cheap can it? Know mine wouldn't cover it, doesn't cover acupuncture either.

In my first posts I gave this link to the place. they seem to call it laser as well as LED; hence the confusion.

again here is the link http://www.denverneuropathytreatmentcenter.com/

they seem to call it LOW LEVEL LASER while in fact I believe the lights are LED.

when i go next week i can ask the make,model and serial number




i am being catious.....any more cautious and I will just be home reading about it.

MY ORTHOPEDIC dotor is the one who suggested i look into it. I wouldnt call it a referral but more of a suggestion. he also said he had 3 patients who were trying it and getting some relief.

NO INSURANCE. MINE DOES cover accupuncture but not 'LIGHT THERAPY'.

as I think we all know, insurance will not cover MOST non tradidtional treatments.........


so since INSURANCE doesnt cover it....does that mean we shouldnt look into it. my insurance wont cover Bariatric surgery but they cover Heart attacks. does that mean I shouldnt try to lose weight, instead just wait for a heart attack that my insurance DOES cover. PUUUULEASE/

Hmm they don't have a very informative website - only the main page and nothing else??

I would definitely ask if it is really a LLLT or if it is instead LED light therapy.

I don't like misleading information by businesses or websites.

Maybe they were told or lead to believe it was a LLLT when they bought the machine... or maybe they are fudging the facts.
Easy enough for them to verify what they really have with a search online if they wanted to.

My chiro thought his first combo machine had a laser but when I was asking about it he must have looked it up online later and found it was only a LED, next appt he had a different machine..with real laser.

If only a LED that they are using , you could actually buy your own and treat yourself a lot cheaper than going to their sessions.

I'm really sorry if I offended you, that was not my intention. I don't think your theatrics was necessary however!

I have other "conditions" besides being cursed with Idiopathic PN [no I'm not diabetic as most everyone in the world seems to think someone must be in order to have PN]. I know treatments not covered by INSURANCE can be very expensive, most of which I wouldn't be able to afford. It was concern that made me mention that to you.

I'm also from Colorado. I'm new here, as you would have seen had you looked to the left under my name. Not getting good vibes.

Again, I did not mean to offend, please accept my apologies.

Here is an article that explains the differences between LED and low level laser:

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...fGyliqKRtIigwg

This article goes into more detail:
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...KIfzIVJ9EbYT7g

But I would definitely find out if this clinic is delivering LED light treatment using LASER studies like these two articles claim.

From the description of the "pads" it seems like LED... because the units for LED use pads.

Here is a video from YouTube--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnTc3OQDRq8
Does not look like a laser to me.

The ad for the Denver clinic clearly uses LASER in it several times.
I think you should get clarification about this, since the two modalities are distinctly different.

Killian dont worry about it , you did nothing wrong. just ignore those posters that rub you the wrong way or who are not happy with the help you tried to give to them. If you look at post #5 on the same thread you will see what you are dealing with.