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wheelst 05-13-2011 06:53 PM

I would hope that everyone finds something that helps relieve their pain.

I went for a long time with neck pain caused by a traffic accident, I spent years with various treatments and avoided surgery at all costs. Silly me, had the surgery and its all better, love that Titanium.

Anyway my years of searching did nothing for me except turn me into a hardened skeptic.

Here are some articles I hope will help.

A Skeptical Look at Low Level Laser Therapy

*edit*





Be Wary of Acupuncture, Qigong, and "Chinese Medicine

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And this Not suitable for work (or around small children video)

Storm by Tim Minchin


Have not found anything that helps my PN pain but I know what I will not try.

By definition: Alternative medicine has not been proven to work or has been proven not to work. Alternative medicine that is proven to work is called Medicine.

Jomar 05-13-2011 10:40 PM

on the page for - A Skeptical Look at Low Level Laser Therapy- it says
"The most aggressively promoted LLLT product appears to be the Anodyne Therapy System" :confused::confused:


From the Anodyne website - it is LED not LLLT
[45 mw light-emitting diodes (LEDs) used by Anodyne® Therapy ]
http://www.anodynetherapy.com/infrared_therapy.html#LED


Even the ones writing articles can make mistakes about what is what......

It often comes down to, some things will work for some and not for others..

mrsD 05-14-2011 09:58 AM

That is interesting... I noticed it too.

What I thought at the time was the example was given...to show that EVEN Anodyne has claimed to be LLLT. Meaning the confusion is quite rampant and common.

In any event...one should be careful and mindful, before spending the large sums of money on gadgets at Chiropractors!

If they call LEDs a Laser... that is one big hint to consider!

robpp 05-16-2011 10:49 PM

i went for my FIRST PAID treatment today. I was given the light therapy for 25 minutes.

I did ask about the machine. Here is a link to it

ProNeuro

http://proneurolight.com/index.html


the best I can tell is they are saying it emits a LL laser from an LED.

I have 3 more scheduled this week. So by next week I should know SOMETHING/

Jomar 05-16-2011 11:38 PM

finally tracked down the info on the website.

http://proneurolight.com/legal.html

[Company Profile

ProNeuro Light manufactures and markets state-of-the-art LED photodynamic therapy equipment and was officially birthed in 2003 with the introduction of our unique Light system. ]


The LED may or may not help with PN, but I just wish those websites & businesses/practitioners would be clear & truthful as to which they are actually using,be it LED or LLLT.

wheelst 05-17-2011 12:04 AM

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration classifies LLLT devices as Class II devices as “lamp, non-heating, for adjunctive use in pain therapy” (produce code NHN)

So any device that produces a light without heat is an LLLT device. Seems to me they are most likely all LED.

mrsD 05-17-2011 06:48 AM

Here is an interesting definition from the Cancer Society:

http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/Trea...-laser-therapy

Quote:

There is a great deal of variation in the types of lasers that are used and how they are used. Some devices do not have the output that they promise, and others are little more than light-emitting diodes (LED lights). Some advertise that they can help with herpes, high blood pressure, migraine headaches, wrinkles, cerebral palsy, and other conditions, claims for which there is little or no evidence. The FDA forbids statements that a treatment can help or cure diseases if scientific studies have not found it to be true. It has warned at least one seller of low level lasers to stop making such claims.
There has been some conversation on our Parkinson's forum and Alzheimer's about a "light helmet" which uses a particular wavelength of light on the head.

Here is one thread for example:
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread83783.html

Here is an article about it, further:
http://www.emersonww.com/InfraredHelmet.htm

robpp 05-17-2011 06:46 PM

Treatment #2 today. 25 minutes of light. then they put me in a chair with a vibrating thing under my calves. and had me try and roll my calves left and right/ 8 minutes and done/


right now, in my slippers, my feet feel like they do after a good cardio workout but i havent done much in the last week/ too much work/

I have 2 more appts this week/ will report on Friday/

David Rindge 05-19-2011 10:29 AM

Neuropathy + low intensity laser therapy
 
Yes. Many with peripheral neuropathy have been successfully treated with low intensity laser therapy.

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robpp 05-25-2011 01:04 PM

today was treatment 7.

after treatment 5 they gave me a toilet brush and some topical freeze spray. I have to beat the outside of my leg from waist to ankle then inside the calf knee to ankle. on both sides to stimulate the nerves.

I also use 2 types of vibrating pads after my light treatments. on treatement 5 I asked to have the lights put on my hands as well as my feet and ankles so they have been doing that since.

I have paid for 10 treatments......

I can say that the redness of my toes is way down; pain is less frequent but burning still happens occasionaly but def not as often. during the day with socks on I can wiggle my toes all day. when i wake up is about the same but during the day once I get moving they feel better longer.

I have my next 3 scheduled for next week W, T, F. After those I will provide a more detailed eval as the doc and i will disucss the progress before I pay for any more treatments.


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