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This form of gabapentin had a huge problem passing the FDA. And as it is, it is not approved for pain, yet. (this means studies are lacking- and it has been YEARS in trials)
It is only a sustained release form of gabapentin, and therefore not new, exactly. I haven't seen anyone here yet using it or commenting on it. But I have my doubts about its value.
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Here is the FDA document explaining the limited approval of GSK's Horizant (new gabapentin):
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...b-hRYGgitH9G-w It has to do with cancer of the pancreas risk. And that parent company did not provide NEW data showing increased absorption was safe. Quote:
All in all it appear to be carefully worded to not include chronic pain patients at this time. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Regarding the cancer risk, the paper also goes on to add: Quote:
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http://jcp.sagepub.com/content/48/12/1378 Horizant® is an extended (sustained) release form of gabapentin enacarbil. http://www.medilexicon.com/drugs/horizant.php I wasn't wondering so much about immediate vs. sustained release, but about the increased bioavailability (in part concerning people with absorption issues - e.g. IBD). If, for example, someone with PN who was taking 1800 mg. of gabapentin/day could get the same benefit from only 300 mg. of gabapentin enacarbil, might the associated risks, side effects, tolerance, etc. be reduced as well? (Proportionally reduced risk might also sway the argument for FDA approval.) Might the more bioavailable form work for someone whom gabapentin did not? Also, since the analgesic benefits of gabapentin "top out" at a certain level (beyond which higher doses don't yield appreciable benefit), might that limitation be modified to the patient's advantage? (I'm lacking the words to say that properly at the moment... ![]() The questions are rhetorical at this time, but yes, I'd be interested in any feedback from people who'd tried it. The whole concept of prodrugs seems intriguing on several levels. I reluctantly agree we'll have to wait. Perhaps a similar prodrug version of pregabalin or something else.... Anything to increase efficacy, reduce adverse effects/risks, ameliorate the suffering.... Doc
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You can visit Cafepharma.com and read on the Glaxo board
several threads about this... from the sales reps point of view. They hate it. They say doctors won't write for it. etc etc. There are several threads there if you search "Horizant". What the end of the article hints at is that the sedative effects are substantial. Hence FDA would like to see a SMALLER dosage form. Gabapentin is not a great pain reliever anyway. Having a long acting form, would just extend the sedative aspects perhaps. It probably knocks those patients with RLS out, so they are basically unconscious! ![]() I did a PubMed search and only one page came up ---6 entries. And that is a very small set of published papers. I suspect the negative ones were not published at all! And the studies were very small compared to other drug studies. One thread over at Cafepharma suggests that the RLS approval was just to get it on the market so that doctors could be persuaded to write for it "off label". In addition no insurance will pay for this drug off label..either. So it will be expensive! I just don't see much happening with it. Appears to me to be a Big Pharma manipulation... is all. ![]() Lyrica goes generic soon too! Unless some smoke and mirrors in courts, slated to go off patent Oct 2013.
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It worked for me the few times I tried it before trying RLA. One of the articles I cruised mentioned it works for about 30% of PN patients who tried it - nothing on dosage, duration, etc., and I didn't think to save the link as I was running down the enacarbil form....
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![]() Well... like I said (figuratively), I was hoping for some hope for others.... ![]() Doc
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