I know I have posted about twitching in the past,and I have read the replies. I am also on the Magnesium for some moderate leg cramping and so on. I am on approx, 432 mg of elemental mag 2 x daily.

I am scheduled for a neuro visit soon. I have not seen my neuro in 6 months now. I have had the twitching come on since the last visit with neuro. My twitching actually started after I started using this shiatsu massager. I stand on it,and massage my feet, kind of like reflexology. I also roll it on my calfs and legs. It actually feels very nice,and can releive pain and tension.

So I thought I was doing a great thing as I was also improving my circulation to that area. But that's also when my twitching started,and also the pulsating feeling too.

I am not doing it hard, it actually feels like a pleasant massage. I just thought it would be good for me to stimulate the muscles and nerves, but I think it may have kicked off the twitching and pulsating.

Does anyone have any opinions on using these sort of devices? Is it safe to stimulate your nerves like that? I don't know if the twitching would have happened regardless. Does anyone know if it is possible to cause the twitching by massage, or do you have one of these and has it caused any problems?

Thank you

machine per se, but I've had some PT massage that's been either heaven or heck! Sometimes it's a matter of quality[how massaged and where], quantity[how much, for how long] and just the plain old 'state' my nerves, or what's left of them are in.

Massage can go from I'm almost asleep to STOP THIS NOW! Then a YELP! right after that. It's that quirkiness that keeps us all guessing. I guess it's all part of our 'learning curve' where you get a handle on that fine line...between the good and evil of it all. It's that or a matter of retraining those nerves and our brains in terms of actions, reactions. That non-stop twitching sure can be distrubing, to say the least, tho.

I hope the twitching's stopped by now for you! - j

Yes it has been driving me a bit crazy,but I am more concerned that I may be doing more harm than good, if you know what I mean. I really like the shiatsu machine because my feet always hurt.

I cannot remember whether twitching was part of the result of the only electrostim treatment I got during PT, but I can tell you anything that electrically stimulates my body causes really nasty side effects. I think the above mentioned treatment resulted in massive vibrating for about a week. When I told the physical therapist about it, she told me I had to get worse before I got better.... I DON'T THINK SO...

I wish I could put together the "whys" of these stories, but I don't have the expertise required, and so far, have not found anyone really interested in doing so. All I can venture to guess, is that our sensory nerves don't like to be messed with...

Hope you get some relief. Klonopin might help some... I also drank Valerian tea at night to try and calm some of these things down...
Cathie

explained this to me yesterday. I have had the leg twitching as one of my main symptoms since the onset of my PN last May. I asked my Neuro why my legs twitch and he stated that as the nerves die (in my case, in my feet and lower legs) they do regrow, but not in as high numbers. In other words, where a muscle fiber might have had 100 nerve endings, 100 die off as a result of PN, and then 30 grow back. It is not enough to support the muscle fiber. When the nerve gets "stimulated" by something, be it hormones, or movement, for example, the nerve reacts and moves the muscle fiber, but the movement is twitchy because of the decreased number of nerve endings. They can't fully support the muscle fibers.

So when you are stimulate your legs and feet with the massager, it activates the nerves and the muscle fibers and they twitch. My doc described this in a much more eloquent manner, but that is the idea. I just made up the nerve endings numbers as an example....I don't think it is an accurate representation, just one to give you an idea of the concept.

I was so relieved to find out what causes the muscle twitching....something I have searched for for a while.

So I don't think it is detrimental in any way, if it relieves your pain, I'd continue.

Ann

Aussie,

Are you supplementing with calcium/magnesium complex? Muscles require sufficient magnesium to relax, and nerves require magnesium to stop firing when appropriate. If you take antacids or acid blockers, you are probably not absorbing enough magnesium for your body's needs. Magnesium deficiency can cause a tendency to twitch, cramps, or tremors.

A good calcium/magnesium supplement has approximately two calcium atoms for one of magnesium. Both would be in highly absorbable form: acid salts, chelated with amino acids, or to a lesser degree oxides. Basic salts such as carbonates or hydroxides are even less absorbable. Magnesium hydroxide is milk of magnesia, a potent laxative. From the Wikapedia article, "only a small amount of the magnesium from milk of magnesia is usually absorbed from a person's intestine". If you supplement with calcium/magnesium (you should take both if you take either), you also need about 400 i.u. of vitamin D to enable the body to utilize the calcium.

Don't overdo the amounts. Too much calcium/magnesium stresses the kidneys and can lead to painful kidney stones.

The following links are examples of pretty good supplemental calcium/magnesium:

http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDe...&pid=CLF-02481

http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDe...&pid=CLF-02522

http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDe...&pid=NWY-41311

http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDe...&pid=JRW-13012 (caution: too much magnesium citrate is highly laxative)

http://www.puritan.com/pages/file.as...CID=1&CPID=696 (calcium carbonate is cheap and not absorbed well)

http://www.puritan.com/pages/file.as...CID=1&CPID=740

I can recommend both vendors, but there are plenty of great vendors out there. Mainly, these are the kinds of ingredients you should look for, in these proportions.

I have not been able to find a magnesium/calcium combo in OZ. So I just have been taking the Magnesium on it 's own. I guess I have to also buy the the calcium seperately. Wings.. do you think that my Magnesium intake is too high?


Anne-Elizabeth,that story about the twitching makes sense. It's not a pretty story,but I understand it. I don't think I will use the foot massager anymore,as I would rather be in pain than twitch to be honest.

Thank you Cathie for sharing your massage experience. I guess the stimulation is more than my nerves seem to be able to handle.

Hi Aussie:

Give yourself a week with no Shiatsu. If your twitching stops......you'll know for sure. If it doesn't stop.......well, I have no answer.

This sounds like a trial and error thing.

Right now my left foot is spasming. Have no idea why. It's 75 degrees outside (up from 40 yesterday). Change in weather kills me.

Tomorrow it's going to be 50,then up to 70 then down to the 40's again.

Oh brother!!! Wish I could move to Las Vegas (I would love the desert).

Wishing you luck and sending you hugs!!!!
Melody

Hi Aussie, I think Dahlek hit the nail on the head by saying depends on how aggresive the massage is, a very gentle smoothing massage that feels great should do you more good than harm, because it does the same thing as magnetic therapy does, it increases blood circulation which brings oxygen & purities thats in the blood to the injured area.
I would take notice of Wings about adding 2 parts Calcium to one part Magnesium.
take care
Brian

How much are you taking, and what is the chemical composition? The reason you want to supplement with both is that calcium salts and magnesium salts partially block the absorption of the other. Supplements are very much concentrated compared to dietary sources, so if you're only taking magnesium salts, you're probably not getting enough calcium in your diet. That could also cause twitching. Here are the Natural Pharmacy articles in www.iherb.com : http://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetCo...chunkiid=21795 for magnesium and http://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetCo...chunkiid=21612 for calcium.

You can get the combination in Oz. I just brought up Google Australia and typed in "Calcium magnesium complex" to get this: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ca...U&start=0&sa=N . Here are a few of the sites:

http://naturalhealthdirect.com.au/pr...ba5a1e201a386d

http://www.melrosehealth.com.au/prod...&products_id=3

http://www.pharmacyonline.com.au/nat...in-p-2028.html

http://www.paylesschemists.com.au/pr...8&SubCatID=150 (they don't list ingredients, so you'd have to check it out first)

http://www.goldenglow.com.au/product.asp?pID=131&cID=3

If you haven't ordered from the internet yet, it can be intimidating. If that's the case, just do it. I've bought virtually all of my supplements, and most of my electronics, power tools, and non-food pet supplies on the internet for about 10 years now with almost no problems. The ONLY problem ever (including buying from eBay) is that an electronic piano keyboard was delivered damaged. They took it back at their expense, and sent me another one.