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mrsD 01-31-2012 01:32 PM

Fish oil and aspirin are anti-inflammatory. If there is an inflammatory aspect to your pain, the aspirin will work.

Some posters here report aspirin helps them.

Fish oil helps with nerve repair of the myelin insulation that may be damaged. It also thins the blood a bit and helps circulation.

You have to be careful with aspirin though, careful to not damage your stomach and small intestine.

adelina 01-31-2012 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsD (Post 846892)
Fish oil and aspirin are anti-inflammatory. If there is an inflammatory aspect to your pain, the aspirin will work.

Some posters here report aspirin helps them.

Fish oil helps with nerve repair of the myelin insulation that may be damaged. It also thins the blood a bit and helps circulation.

You have to be careful with aspirin though, careful to not damage your stomach and small intestine.

Thanks mrsD that helps alot - I have been going crazy doing searches and you had already answered my question - your quick!:p

p.s. - I love you new kitty pix!

daniella 01-31-2012 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by adelina (Post 846887)
Oh boy what a whirling mass of confusing fun :p! So what did you decide? (If you don't mind my asking) How can you get educated yourself when all these educated dr's offer something different - that scares the heebeejeebee's right out of my skin!!!!!! And even doing the research gets confusing and difficult at times. For me, I get frustrated at trying to decipher whether something is sponsored by a particular manufacturer, or company. Also seeing contradicting information, articles or studies and then evaluating them for authenticity - ugh! Why all the inconsistency? My neuro would say because they just don’t understand most pn well enough, and I have to agree after what i have been through and read on this site - its like being in the 1600's and just beginning to explore the earth- and still thinking its flat! There is just so much confusion and controversy with pn. I am stunned on how little is know by the medical world in general. I mean I know 100x more than my pc dr. does just because I am always reading things here and going through what i have gone through. well enough of that :deadhorsebeat:

Thanks for the link - i will try to look at the video. I have slow-motion-dial-up and-600-year-old-phone-lines :grin: So videos often wont load, but I would like to take a look.

I just got a call from my pm dr and he had talked with my neuro who wants to put me on fish oil and aspirin? uhhhh? I need help with that... Now I think mrsD has talked about fish oil - but is that to help with pn? and what does the aspirin do for pn?

Right now I am holding off on any treatments. The confusion I feel is each doctor has what I call their "thing". So usually and not always but most of the time regardless of difference of patient if you have X dx they will suggest the procedure they do. So if you meet with a pain doctor who does a lot of scs that will be his suggestion but may not be the best for you. The issue with these conditions I feel and even if we use meds for ex what helps one person may not another or what gives a person a side effect may not someone else. I guess for myself if I chose in future to do a treatment I have accepted that it is taking a chance. The chance may make things better but also may come with risks. At least if I get feedback and I really like feedback from patients that I find from sites I can make an informed choice. Good luck with what you decide

hopeful 01-31-2012 08:06 PM

Hi Adelina & Daniella, I have had Ketamine treatments. They are not easy. If they work I think they would be worth it. They really take alot out of you. You will really be out of it. You need a lot of support while you are getting them. I did have hallucinations after the treatments. I don't really remember alot while I was having them done. Where I went you had to take Ativan before yu got there. I tended to get sick at my stomach from it so during the rx they gave me IV zofran. They also gave something else with the treatment in your IV but I can't remember for the life of me what it was. I was monitored the entire time to be sure my B/P did not go up and for other s/e.
Unfortunately, I had these treatments under a dx of RSD. After I went through them every doctor I saw after said you ABSOLUTELY do not have RSD. They would ask me who dx it and every single one of them rolled their eyes when I told them. The doctor who diagnosed it told me he could make me pain free so I jumped at it. So be careful!Get more than one opinion on the ketamine. Don't go through it if it is not going to work.
That being said I do believe it is a Godsend for some people. I saw people with RSD get wonderful results with ketamine. Hope this helps.

adelina 01-31-2012 08:21 PM

Thank you sooooo much hopeful. This is very helpful to hear from poeple I feel that I know. Did you have the very heavy dosage; the ketamine infusions as I am now understanding it? I have only had the injections of Ketamine given over a single hours time and it helped. It sounds like you did the heavy dosage done over multiple hours or days? I only had mild hallucinations during the procedure not after that were not at all bothersome. What sort of hallucinations did you have (if you can tell about it)? So what is your diagnosis then, and did it not help you at all? Did you feel temporary relief or did it make it worse? It sounds like it really wipes you out which can really effect you negativily - that worries me. Thanks again for sharing and please dont mind my intrusion -if i'm to much of a busybody let me know.

zorro1 02-01-2012 12:11 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p7Zp3c8pvo

interesting link of a patient being interviewed. Its very worthwhile telling the doc if you have sleep apnia.

The chap in the vid is suffering a great deal of pain, you can see his toe nails are several inches long. They are talking about placing him in a coma for the treatment

daniella 02-01-2012 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by zorrro13 (Post 847099)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p7Zp3c8pvo

interesting link of a patient being interviewed. Its very worthwhile telling the doc if you have sleep apnia.

The chap in the vid is suffering a great deal of pain, you can see his toe nails are several inches long. They are talking about placing him in a coma for the treatment

Yes this is Dr Kirkpatrick the doctor I was talking about the videos. This gentleman was not able to have the ketamine and had to go ip but Dr K has others that did have it and shows them while under.
In terms of dose they monitor you so that they can adjust doses I think. From what I researched it is so key to work with someone who does a lot of ketamine infusions because it is so key to have the right dose or it does not work etc.
Like hopeful said and I did I really feel extra opinions are important. When ever I hear I will be pain free or fine by a doctor I don't believe it because I heard that a few times over the past 5 years and am not. Sorry to be a debbie downer but have to be realistic and cautious too.
Feel better

hopeful 02-01-2012 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by adelina (Post 847037)
Thank you sooooo much hopeful. This is very helpful to hear from poeple I feel that I know. Did you have the very heavy dosage; the ketamine infusions as I am now understanding it? I have only had the injections of Ketamine given over a single hours time and it helped. It sounds like you did the heavy dosage done over multiple hours or days? I only had mild hallucinations during the procedure not after that were not at all bothersome. What sort of hallucinations did you have (if you can tell about it)? So what is your diagnosis then, and did it not help you at all? Did you feel temporary relief or did it make it worse? It sounds like it really wipes you out which can really effect you negativily - that worries me. Thanks again for sharing and please dont mind my intrusion -if i'm to much of a busybody let me know.

When I started the treatments, they took about 4 hours a day start to finish. I had to do 5 days a week for 2 weeks. Very high doses. Couldn't walk very well after so I always had a family member with me who took me home and put me to bed for the day. Then I think once every two weeks or month for rx for two days. I did go to someone who is very big in The world of Ketamine treaments. Doesn't mean they can't be wrong. Still go for another opinion. I honestly think my doctor told everyone they had RSD. At least that is what I have been told from every doctor I have seen since then in a evasive way. They won't come right out and say it.
This was very early in my PN. I have been told I lost valuable time to be treated properly for my PN due to the fact that the earlier treated the better. Please know I am not bashing the treatments as I said I did see remarkable things for patients with RSD.
As for the hallucinations I don't like to talk about them much. I will give you one example I kept waking up during the night thinking I had hugh spiders crawling on my bedroom ceiling. The one night I was out of bed wide awake telling my husband they were still there. It took a while to calm me down. I had to delete a few of the songs I had on my ipod that I listened to during the treatments. I think they were the ones that seemed to always be playiing while I was coming out.
Again I would have even gone through that if it left me pain free. I'm sure everyone here can understand that. I was new to PN and scared to death.
hope this helps:) I am not trying to scare you just being very honest about what happened to me

daniella 02-02-2012 03:39 AM

Mrs D or anyone do you take the asprin everyday? I know my parents do for the heart I think baby ones? If you are younger though is taking asprin everyday ok and if it not for the heart? How much is one supposed to take for anti inflammatory?
Sorry to ask question on your thread
Hopeful I am sorry you were misdx. I know one pain doctor I saw who was trying to identify what was causing me the pain the PN or RSD said some doctors will just dx with RSD when it is not but when they can't find another cause. I know when I looked into ketamine after you were supposed to stay with someone so they could monitor you. The hallucinations seem to vary a lot from person to person. Hopeful if you don't mind could you PM with who you saw?

adelina 02-02-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hopeful (Post 847202)
When I started the treatments, they took about 4 hours a day start to finish. I had to do 5 days a week for 2 weeks. Very high doses. Couldn't walk very well after so I always had a family member with me who took me home and put me to bed for the day. Then I think once every two weeks or month for rx for two days. I did go to someone who is very big in The world of Ketamine treaments. Doesn't mean they can't be wrong. Still go for another opinion. I honestly think my doctor told everyone they had RSD. At least that is what I have been told from every doctor I have seen since then in a evasive way. They won't come right out and say it.
This was very early in my PN. I have been told I lost valuable time to be treated properly for my PN due to the fact that the earlier treated the better. Please know I am not bashing the treatments as I said I did see remarkable things for patients with RSD.
As for the hallucinations I don't like to talk about them much. I will give you one example I kept waking up during the night thinking I had hugh spiders crawling on my bedroom ceiling. The one night I was out of bed wide awake telling my husband they were still there. It took a while to calm me down. I had to delete a few of the songs I had on my ipod that I listened to during the treatments. I think they were the ones that seemed to always be playiing while I was coming out.
Again I would have even gone through that if it left me pain free. I'm sure everyone here can understand that. I was new to PN and scared to death.
hope this helps:) I am not trying to scare you just being very honest about what happened to me

Wow hopeful that is astonishing, thank you so much for sharing what you did with me. Because you have been with me through much of what I have been going through lately and the support and information that you give, I really respect your opinion. So the feedback on these intensive treatments that you give really helps me - so thank you very much for taking the time to write/type that all out! It is full of good observations. I don't know if that is where I will end up, but I do know my pm dr. is hinting at it. You have made me feel a lot more comfortable at least considering the idea - because yes, if I could be pain-free too, I would do it. But I also do not have RSD, so... we'll see.

I am really, really sorry you had to go through all that though. It is tragic that you go caught by one of those dr.s that is more interested in the procedure than the patient. As I read your post it was so hard to think about what time and resources you had wasted, as well as the anguish you must have felt when it did not work. I am so sorry that it went that way for you. You have been such a supportive person for me I wanted you to know that it wasn't all for 'naught; because you see, if you hadn't gone through it you couldn't help myself and others here. I am sure that is not enough to make it worth-while before the fact, but maybe after the fact you can see the benefit of having gone through for the rest of us!:hug::hug: thanks!


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