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echoes long ago 05-10-2012 11:32 AM

thanks for the link. i had checked a few sites this morning but everything was worded vaguely in the symptom department. weakness, atrophy etc.

ive had 8 emg/ncs's over the years. no family history at all. we had one big family reunion a few years ago and I was going around to everyone, hey do you know anyone in the family who had any of these symptoms....ha!

i have the toes dont flex much at all thing also.

i guess all of these causes have many symptoms that overlap since they are doing basically the same type of damage to the same parts of the nerve as other causes. What caught my attention was the walking with cement legs comment. I describe it as my legs becoming as heavy as tree trunks to lift and they super fatigue quicly. I have not really run into or read too many people with PN having that symptom over the years. A few did but most dont. And like i said that was my earliest symptom besides some numbness.

Thanks susanne and Kitt for taking the time to answer.

mrsD 05-10-2012 11:55 AM

The Wiki CMT page says 1 in 2500 have CMT...in some variant.
Making it one of the most common genetic diseases.

This article explains that pain tracts remain intact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charcot...3Tooth_disease

I wonder if the 23andme DNA test will reveal this? It is much much less expensive that the tests at Athena.

Do you know about that, Kitt?

This is the criteria used in the Vit C study.
http://www.mda.org/research/view_ctrial.aspx?id=186
It does not state what type of oral Vit C was used. I wonder if the liposomal or IV type would boost any potential results?

This paper does not give details as to what form the Vit C was in when given:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21393063

Some recent research about Vit C... so they are still looking at it:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22114285

Kitt 05-10-2012 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsD (Post 878097)
The Wiki CMT page says 1 in 2500 have CMT...in some variant.
Making it one of the most common genetic diseases.

This article explains that pain tracts remain intact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charcot...3Tooth_disease

I wonder if the 23andme DNA test will reveal this? It is much much less expensive that the tests at Athena.

Do you know about that, Kitt?

This is the criteria used in the Vit C study.
http://www.mda.org/research/view_ctrial.aspx?id=186
It does not state what type of oral Vit C was used. I wonder if the liposomal or IV type would boost any potential results?

This paper does not give details as to what form the Vit C was in when given:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21393063

Some recent research about Vit C... so they are still looking at it:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22114285

CMT is the most common "inherited" peripheral neuropathy. The trouble is that it is misdiagnosed as polio, MS, Fredrick's Ataxia, etc.

I looked up 23 and Me and I do not believe that it would be testing for CMT. As I've said before I have heard that Athena Diagnostics pretty much has that testing sewn up and they are very expensive. There are papers to sign, etc. and they should be read totally and understood before a person agrees to it. Sometimes insurance will pay and other times they won't. DNA blood testing is good if you want to know the sub type. Not really necessary in my view as there is no cure/treatment for any type of CMT as of yet.

Sometimes the DNA testing will neither rule in or out a type of CMT. The most common types CMT 1, CMT 2 and CMT X would be pretty readily interpreted. But others, and there are more than 50 types aren't so easy. Even if the test shows you don't have it, you might if that makes sense. It just might be a type that they do not test for as of yet.

In 2008 from a reputable source stated that there were more than 50 identified types of CMT and no end in sight. CMT can pretty much be separated into two kinds - the "demylenating" forms (CMT1 and CMT4) and the "axonal" forms (CMT2, autosomal recessive CMT2, HSAN, and HMN).

The Vitamin C studies have never panned out. I can't remember off hand the dose given. One trial in The Netherlands used 4 capsules of 250 mg. twice daily equals 1000 mg. during a one year trial. A placebo was used on some and no one knew what they were taking. In some of the trials elsewhere as well people had to get out of the study due to adverse effects, etc. These studies were for CMT1A only. There was much criteria to get into the trials. Other places in the U.S. did a two year study. Here is a site:

http://quest.mda.org/news/cmt-vitamin-c

They have also been doing trials on CoQ10 and CMT. Nothing proven here either.

These trials have not been in the U.S. alone but all over the world.

Your second site on Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) trials pretty much says it all. There is really no significant effect. Some CMTers have tried taking a lot of Vitamin C on their own thinking that it could do something for them. But it's in vein. There is much that goes into these trials.

CMT is really considered a rare or orphan disease and some other diseases as well so there is little incentive for drug companies to develop drugs for it. CMT is all over the world. Time will tell.

Kitt 05-10-2012 04:42 PM

Vitamin B6
 
A mega dose of Vitamin B6 has a moderate to significant risk for CMTers.

http://www.cmtausa.org/index.php?opt...d=68&Itemid=42

And also there is more information for everyone. It's under the fact sheet by Vitamin B6.

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Vit...ofessional/#h7

I had read this before but not thoroughly. I find it interesting.

Susanne C. 05-10-2012 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by echoes long ago (Post 878003)
i have those difficulties walking uphill and upstairs and am awkward walking downstairs. im officially ideopathic but pretty sure i have a toxic cause for my sensory motor axonal PN. im surprised because i never read before in 11 years that these were indicators for cmt.

I just noticed the mention of axonal. CMT type 2 is axonal, which is what I have. As Kitt mentioned CMT is also called hereditary sensory motor neuropathy. It seems as if everyone with CMT has trouble with stairs. The first muscles to be affected are often the ones that lift the foot, which is why so many people wear ankle-foot orthotics. My half- sister wore leg braces from childhood, and I am planning on going to an orthotist as I am dragging my feet more lately, which will lead to a fall sooner or later.


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