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--there aren't opposing views.

This was just posted in the New York Times editorial section today. The comments posted after the article are interesting as well:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/14/op...s-statins.html
Nice article! Thanks Glenn!
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I have a physical coming up later this month; I'm taking a copy of this article (and others if/when I find them)... just in case.

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Take a copy of the photo of the damaged neurons too!

That one is a powerful photo!
It is on the Science Daily link in this thread.
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I have been reading a lot about Berberine.
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Some more interesting videos:

http://smartpei.typepad.com/robert_p...drugs-why.html

The Statin Nation:

http://www.29billion.com/

Unfortunately the full video has a price. But the trailer is free.

I think we know what is in the video already!

An 8min video how statins kill cells:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF_3miYtuDM

This last video is very sobering.

Everyone contemplating statin therapy should read this document first:
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/sites/de...atin_drugs.pdf
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My curiosity made me order The Statin Damage Crisis. I'm only half way through and I now thoroughly hope that the author is exaggerating, or plain bonkers.

Problem is, I don't think that's the case.

I knew of some of the problems - especially the PN - and it's pretty common for serious journalists here to really wonder if everyone who takes it actually needs it.

After reading this book I seriously wonder if *anyone* should ever take statins.

You can combat inflammation with diet and omega3 - and inflammation really seems to be key when it comes to heart problems. That's why statins work, not because they lower cholesterol. But they eliminate so much, and works so crudely, that it not just lowers inflammation, it damages your immunity system. (and creates a host of other problems)

Unless I'm just reading a bad dream, and someone corrects me and the author. Nuclear Factor kB is a real thing, right? And statins work via inhibiting NFkB right?

I'm shocked.
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Yes, it is real:

http://www.whale.to/a/gupta7.html
Dr. Graveline MD quoted on this link, is a former Astronaut and MD who was damaged by Lipitor. He has written a book and has
a website devoted to statins now.

Did you watch the 8 minute video link I put up?
It also demonstrates another mechanism that statins result in poisoning and killing cells. The immune effects are in ADDITION to the metabolic damage in the cells themselves. Mevalonate pathways.
(the voice on this video sounds very much like Dr. Seneff...but I don't see her credits on this video).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF_3miYtuDM

Statins are really poisons. This is becoming more visible as the patents expire. We won't see them much within the next 5 yrs, I predict. They will go the way transfats have gone. The poisonous nature of transfats was known over 10 yrs before any agency acted on it. (transfats caused millions to be damaged over about 70yrs, and that scope is similar to the damage statins are causing now).

Already Big Pharma is planning new non-statin cholesterol control.
But because of its new nature ...negative studies are not available yet. So far they are injectables...that won't be received well either.

You know statins are contraindicated during pregnancy because they damage and/or kill the fetus. That is a hint of what they do to adults.

IMO these drugs are the worst thing ever to happen to medicine and patients. Worse than Vioxx, HRT estrogens, even thalidomide.
They are worse because Big Pharma is suggesting using them on millions more people, rather than the reverse!
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Dr. Graveline MD quoted on this link, is a former Astronaut and MD
That's his book I'm reading. I thought both of those qualifications might make him a rather science based source, so that's what I picked. After a few pages, my mouth fell open and decided to stay that way...

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Did you watch the 8 minute video link I put up?
Not yet. I will though. I wasn't really interested in statins because I just refused to take them.*

I just didn't know they were that bad.

* actually, when I was in rehab, after my first blood check, I suddenly had a couple of more pills to take. Without consulting with me, the resident doc had proscribed Zocor (simvastatin) . As much as I had other stuff on my mind (ahem**), I made quite a big thing about that, as I already knew that it could worsen my PN. The head psych agreed with me, and they promised to never ever give medication to their patients again without consulting with them first.

**When you are in your third day of detox, the last thing you want to worry about is bad medication being foisted upon you. I really wasn't happy with that, but decided to not let it steer me off course. It does show how vulnerable you can be in such a situation though.
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Dr. Graveline was seriously upset with Lipitor. He was mentally damaged by it and could not find his own home!

So he stopped the drug, then restarted it, and bingo same thing with memory. (this was before the FDA added memory issues to their warnings).

So he came online with his Spacedoc website and wrote Lipitor, the Thief of Memory.
This must be a newer book you are reading? What is the printing date, can you check?

I have to say, within this past year the dirt has hit the fan, regarding statins. Memory loss, PN (even from a gov't website now), and diabetes risk. Now these new videos on cell death.

Maybe they will be kaput before my 5 yr prediction?

This 8 minute video even kaboshes the Red Yeast Rice... because they explain that statins are mycotoxins...very harmful. And Red Yeast Rice is a .....fungus (myco).
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Lightbulb The Fate of Crestor's Patent:

This is interesting....

http://www.pmlive.com/pharma_news/as...allenge_469203

Made 6.25 billion last year for AstraZeneca.

We'll see a huge change in statin ads soon....this patent end in
mid 2016.

There is one other statin on patent; http://cholesterol.emedtv.com/livalo...ic-livalo.html
Livalo (pitavastatin)
It has several patents...so this is very confusing...but first patent ends May 2015.
Don't see ads for it or hear much about it either.

So the cholesterol wars will heat up soon I think!
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