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ginnie 12-11-2013 05:13 PM

Hi Mrs. D
 
Can Solompas be cut into strips like the lidocane patches? May be direct contact with whole little toe would get more benefits? I have wrapped my big toe (PN) with the lidocane (strips) works great and the very mild compression seems to help me. Can he do that with Solompas? Just wondering if that would work. Someone on NT told me to give that a try. ginnie:grouphug:

mrsD 12-11-2013 05:20 PM

Yes, the Salonpas original can be cut. I do that for my fingers.
I use them on my right thumb and first two fingers often.
And my big toes on occasion.

BTW they have changed the stickem and improved them. My new box is very nice and different!

I don't want to be a downer, but I did have a crush injury on my right big toe years ago...a boulder fell out of a wall we were repairing and broke it in two places. It has always been stiff and problematic for me since.

But I have smashed my pinkey toe (it turned black) once when I was vacuuming..and it healed up easily.

You can be creative with the Salonpas. I think they are very handy and very inexpensive for the return you get from their use.

I have been eating tart dried cherries for the past month, and see a definite improvement in my arthritis too... they are really good antioxidant sources:
http://www.ohsu.edu/xd/about/news_ev...ry-juice-r.cfm

http://www.fooducate.com/app#page=pr...2-FEFD45A4D471
These are the ones I use. Doesn't take very many to get a good result either.

l1am 12-11-2013 06:14 PM

Thank you, I just wonder if I should stop using the Coban compression tape then and use the Salonpas patches instead.

Taping (light compression) around the pinky toe has been the best method I have for keeping the swelling down. Sometimes it manages to completely remove the swelling, then after I take the tape off you can almost see the capillaries fill up with blood and the swelling starting within minutes.

I don't think I need any pain meds, I don't have much noticeable inactive pain at all, until I allow the swelling to go out of control by walking or drinking alcohol. Right now I just have a deep itch/tingling in the toe (comes and goes).

I have noticed my gait is off when I do walk. Overextending the toe still seems to cause 'normal' pain - I'm guessing this is just ligament/tendon injury that's persisting.

With the baths I had been using ice bath for 1 min, warm water for 4 mins and alternating. But the warm bath does cause the swelling to increase.

l1am 12-12-2013 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsD (Post 1036166)
Think about how your hands feel in the snow without gloves. Then you come in and warm them up.... and they get red and tingle and burn! Same thing with that pinkey.

I was thinking about this, but I'm wondering if:
a. The circulation is just bad in general (like cold ears/hands), and the heat is actually helping by increasing the blood flow?
OR
b. The circulation is normal, but the damages nerves are overcompensating by dilating the vessels too much and allowing too much blood in (and therefore swelling)?

Quote:

Injuries can take a while to heal. Give it time. Don't worry about neuropathy at this point. You just have a trauma toe.
It's funny you say that because my podiatrist said almost the opposite :) Well, he said, don't worry about the hairline fracture and focus on the neuropathy.

Actually, I should mention that right after that visit (4.5 months after injury) I started putting weight back on the foot, did one contrast bath and the toe came alive - burned really bad all night long - I interpreted this as a good thing though - that maybe I had them firing again - not sure if it was the weight bearing or contrast baths that did this though. It was only for one night though, it died down over the next few nights.

mrsD 12-12-2013 03:48 AM

Taping that toe tightly to the others is going to reduce circulation to it.

I have broken sesamoid bones in both feet...they have never grown back together. I have to wonder if the really small bones just have a lower potential for repair?

I looked up your pinky healing rate, and many sites suggest another opinion, after 6 wks if healing is delayed.

You might consider that.

If your toe does not throb in the night, consider that a plus.

l1am 12-12-2013 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsD (Post 1036285)
If your toe does not throb in the night, consider that a plus.

My toe only throbs when I remove the tape, and it's hot - it throbs due to the swelling which can make the toe hard and the skin a bit shiny even.

Right now, I'm only using the Epsom lotion like you recommended, without any tape. It's swollen for sure, but more a purplish color. I'm going back to the podiatrist next week to ask about the bone. I'm not sure why he was so certain I should ignore the bone and it was fine after looking at the xray.

I never took any B12 supplement, just Calcium and Vit C. Since my neuropathy is trauma induced, it's less likely to be a deficiency I guess.

mrsD 12-12-2013 04:07 PM

If there are small bone fragments in that toe, and they move around, each time you remove the binding, they will move again, and inflame the tissue around them. This is what the little sesamoids in the ball of the foot do when they are cracked and then stressed.

The body tends to cause swelling, redness when there are broken bones moving around. This is why you should probably get another opinion. There is also a membrane over the bone, and when it is damaged it sets up lots of inflammation.

You should try some aspirin or AlkaSeltzer original formula and see if it relieves your swelling...this would indicate you have inflammation going on.

This is a good website with anatomy to illustrate for you what your toes look like on the inside:
http://www.northcoastfootcare.com/pa...e-Anatomy.html
This site is a great resource for all sorts of mechanical foot problems. I post it often.

mrsD 12-12-2013 04:09 PM

B12 is actively involved in bone formation. So you might try it anyway as a helper to heal the fractures.

If you smoke, try to quit. Smoking inhibits bone fusion and healing too.

Don't use ibuprofen or other NSAIDs all the time for pain, as they also slow bone growth and fusion. A little aspirin here or there may help but just not all the time. Try to use Tylenol if you need pain relief for now.

l1am 12-13-2013 12:48 AM

Do you think I could have Erythromelalgia?

ahni.com/Specialties/Foot+and+Ankle/Articles/Common+Disorders/Erythromelalgia.html

mrsD 12-13-2013 06:34 AM

Erythromelalgia often responds to magnesium. Magnesium is also used in bone mineralization.

What I think happens is that the membrane over the bone has been damaged. If there are fragments moving around, without the protective membrane on them anymore, then the body forms a localized tissue reaction. Crushing type injuries are pretty damaging to all the tissues in the foot. So it might not be just the bones themselves, but a combination of tissues reacting.

The menthol in the the Salonpas patches should take down any heat or burning type pain for you.

There is another menthol containing product called Biofreeze gel.
This works well for burning too. But using the Salonpas you should not need the Biofreeze on top of that.

If your redness changes, starts spreading or including the whole foot, that is the time to start worrying. Also you might seek another opinion.
Foot injuries take time to get better. And sometimes they do not return you to what you were before... there may always be some issue with that toe. (stiff, color changes, etc).


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