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Dr. Smith 04-29-2014 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitt (Post 1066589)
It can be but not sure how often that happens. Do you know?
I do not. Thing is, even though the state is supposedly veto-proof, the bill was authored by a conservative Republican and has bipartisan support, so if it passes, the governor might be vetoing his own party. I don't know how often that happens either.

Bill To Legalize Medical Marijuana In Pennsylvania Has Bipartisan Support For First Time Ever

pennsylvania medical marijuana initiative

Doc

Marlene 04-30-2014 08:33 AM
So this a vaporizer
 
I came across this product while reading an article about the cottage industry developing around marijuana use. This company has a device that vaporizes herbs and also diffuse essential oils. So if you're interested to see an alternative to smoking, take a look at the short video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXi13XA9mqk

hopeful 04-30-2014 04:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlene (Post 1066724)
I came across this product while reading an article about the cottage industry developing around marijuana use. This company has a device that vaporizes herbs and also diffuse essential oils. So if you're interested to see an alternative to smoking, take a look at the short video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXi13XA9mqk
Hi Marlene, I think if I were to give it a try I would use a vaporizer. I don't believe I would smoke it. Thanks for the info.:)

Joe Duffer 05-01-2014 01:45 AM
Good... Better... Best
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hopeful (Post 1066817)
Hi Marlene, I think if I were to give it a try I would use a vaporizer. I don't believe I would smoke it. Thanks for the info.:)
Good: Smoking
Better: Vaping
Best: Edibles

hopeful 05-01-2014 02:23 PM
Hi Joe,
Do they sell it in edibles in the medical marijuana clinics?

Joe Duffer 05-01-2014 11:43 PM
Door to Door...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hopeful (Post 1066989)
Hi Joe,
Do they sell it in edibles in the medical marijuana clinics?
In Washington, once you are a qualified patient with a valid written recommendation from your healthcare provider, you're good to go...

Heck, some sellers will even bring a nice assortment to your home for you to choose from. Most of these merchants are very knowledgeable and professional.

Washington State Medical Marijuana (Cannabis) Info:http://www.doh.wa.gov/ForPublicHealt...aCannabis.aspx

Dr. Smith 05-02-2014 08:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hopeful (Post 1066989)
Do they sell it in edibles in the medical marijuana clinics?
Hi Hopeful, from post #31 of this thread: ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Smith (Post 1065503)
Comestibles of all kinds are readily available in all dispensaries where medical cannabis is legal.
Doc

Dr. Smith 05-02-2014 09:20 AM
Iowa bill would allow form of marijuana for epilepsy treatment (Yahoo)
 
From Health News Headlines yesterday...

Quote:
Originally Posted by NewsBot (Post 1067001)
By Kay Henderson DES MOINES, Iowa (Reuters) - Iowa lawmakers on Thursday approved a bill that would legalize possession of a liquid, non-intoxicating form of marijuana as a treatment for severe epilepsy, sending it to Governor Terry Branstad. Iowa would join five other states with similar measures including Wisconsin and Mississippi if the Republican governor signs the bill into law, the Washington-based pro-marijuana group NORML said. The bill is "largely symbolic" because it provides no legal, in-state source for Iowa residents to obtain the substance known as cannabidiol, NORML deputy director Paul Armentano said.

Read the full article...

(From Yahoo Diseases)
:mad: Unfortunately, this is a case of bad faith law and political pandering at its worst, and may likely do more harm than good to the very people it is ostensibly intended to help. :ranting:

Quote:
Armentano said residents of Iowa would have to obtain the oil from a state where marijuana is legal, and break federal law to carry it across state lines.

"The law unfortunately will fail to provide either adequate access or adequate relief to the very patient population it is intended to serve," Armentano said.
Ibid.
Legislators & governors know this. There is no compassion or reason here. An argument might even be made that it's tantamount to entrapment. There are currently 21 states (and counting) where MMJ is a reality—not just smoke and mirrors—more than enough to model a real and effective law from.

What the cuss kind of legacy does this governor want to leave‽

Doc

KatLC 05-02-2014 10:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beatle (Post 1063957)

I still have PN but for the first time in two years, I feel that I have the pain under control with CBD and without the intolerable side effects of the numerous prescriptions I've tried. The bigger issue now is the numbness and I remain hopeful that with (not too much) time, the nerves will regenerate.

I will keep posting but wanted to report that I am very happy with the results so far.
That is great to hear that it is helping. I hate having to take opioids to control PN, they don't really help the pain and have ruined my memory. I find it so frustrating that doctors are happy to hand out painkillers but don't consider cannabis a legitimate pain management option (at least where I am).

Dr. Smith 05-09-2014 12:12 PM
Health insurers just say no to marijuana coverage (Yahoo)
 
Copied from Health News Headlines forum

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/ug...7067003b9f.jpgPatients who use medical marijuana for pain and other chronic symptoms can take an unwanted hit: Insurers don't cover the treatment, which costs as much as $1,000 a month.

Read the full article...

(From Yahoo)

Doc

nsw43 05-15-2014 01:57 AM
Sativex
 
This investigational drug has been given "Fast Track" status by the FDA, which might make it available in the US by the end of 2014:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/gw-...ain-2014-04-28

nsw43 05-15-2014 02:59 AM
CBD Hemp Oil
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nilram (Post 1063077)
It's so awesome that you've provided this info, beatle! I tried cannabis several years ago and found it made me groggy, dizzy and didn't help my pain -- at the time, though, it was hard to get good information about high-CDB strains. Much easier to find a high-CDB strain now.

HOWEVER, after looking around, I've found that anyone in the US can get CDB derived from hemp. As you've said, CDB is not psychoactive. It also happens to be present in abundance in hemp. Although we can't grow hemp in the US, anyone here can buy hemp products, including hemp oil.

Here are some links I've found that will be of interest to those interested in CDB. My own path right now is to find a hemp-based product rather than spending the $200+ it takes for a medical marijuana card in my state.

http://www.projectcbd.org/

http://www.leafly.com/news/medical/h...-access-no-pro
I live in northern Virginia, just across the river from DC and Maryland where I could get medical marijuana legally if I lived in either jurisdiction, but it would be a huge change to move at this point in life, so I'm very interested in the CBD hemp oil option. I found a provider based in Colorado that ships to all 50 states and have placed an order. It ain't cheap, but it's worth a try.

http://www.bluebird-botanicals.com/CBD_Oil_FAQ.html

Marlene 05-15-2014 06:51 AM
Please keep us posted on your results.

Dr. Smith 05-15-2014 01:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nsw43 (Post 1069481)
This investigational drug has been given "Fast Track" status by the FDA, which might make it available in the US by the end of 2014:
Investigational? This is long overdue considering it's been in use in 25 other countries (including Canada) for years. In the US, Sativex has been stalled in the limbo known Phase III trials for longer than most medications—IMO for political rather than medical/science reasons.

I don't want to be "Captain Bringdown", but let's not get too excited... yet; according to the article, initial data from the Phase III trials is expected around the end of this year. I don't know the average lag between that and actual availability for prescription/use—if they decide the data passes muster. MrsD/anyone? There may still be other obstacles.

Doc

mrsD 05-15-2014 01:07 PM
Since the drug already has a dosage form, and is in production already...the lag time may be shorter. (and studies are available)

However Savella took many years to clear the FDA, even though it was already in use in Mexico and other countries.

So who knows? With the liberalization of MJ in many states, it may go thru in a year or two here. But it could be 5 yrs easily too.

beatle 05-15-2014 01:54 PM
A couple of condisderations ^^
 
- Sativex is an expensive manufactured chemical compound. Unlike cannabis, it is not natural if that matters to anyone. It is legally available in 10 or 11 counties however it will be some time before it is prescribed for neuropathic pain in the US and even more time before it will be covered by insurance.

- By contrast, most CBD/THC products sold in states where MMJ is legal are 100% natural and far less expensive.

- In some states where MMJ is legal, a number of plants are permitted in the home. In other words, patients are purchasing grow kits and specific strain seeds and growing their own medicine.

- Many MMJ patients are also vaporizing rather than smoking their MMJ for relief from several neuropathic conditions, cancer, AIDS, epilepsy, fibromyalgia, MS, …the list is endless. Vaporizing merely introduces heat to the cannabis product and the user inhales the vapor rather than smoke. This is just one of several ways to use cannabis for chronic pain.

Dr. Smith 05-15-2014 02:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beatle (Post 1069584)
- Sativex is an expensive manufactured chemical compound. Unlike cannabis, it is not natural if that matters to anyone.
I'm not sure where you got that information.
Quote:
[Sativex] is distinct from all other pharmaceutically produced cannabinoids currently available because it is a mixture of compounds derived from Cannabis plants, rather than a mono-molecular synthetic product. The drug is a pharmaceutical product standardised in composition, formulation, and dose, although it is still effectively a tincture of the cannabis plant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabiximols
Quote:
Below are a few facts about Sativex that should be considered:

1. Sativex is a marijuana extract.

Despite its pharmaceutical sounding name, Sativex is made from the cannabis plant itself. GW Pharmaceuticals CEO Geoffrey Guy has noted to the press that Sativex contains all of the same compounds found in cannabis.
http://www.leafscience.com/2014/03/0...-know-sativex/
One of the most difficult arguments to overcome against legalization and to sway the medical community has to do with dose standardization/purity issues, which Sativex ostensibly overcomes. It contains the 2 desired active ingredients in controllable measured amounts, while whole plant MMJ contains literally hundreds of substances in varying amounts—even within the same strain and/or clones of the same plant (due to growth variables).

I'm not arguing for/against here—just trying to explain what I see as differences & obstacles.

Your other points seem spot-on.

Doc

beatle 05-15-2014 03:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Smith (Post 1069591)

[Sativex] is distinct from all other pharmaceutically produced cannabinoids currently available because it is a mixture of compounds derived from Cannabis plants...
Keywords: "derived from"...

And the "mixture of compounds" is just THC and CBD, the same as literally hundreds of MMJ products, many of which are now being grown organically under strict, controlled conditions and offered without the following additives of Sativex:

Extraction solvent: Liquid carbon dioxide
Excipients: Ethanol anhydrous, Propylene glycol

Currently, Sativa would cost patients about $14,000 for an annual prescription give or take and we should expect insurance companies to fight tooth and nail to avoid covering it with the exception of terminal cancer or MS while many of us would wait around, literally suffering in pain either from our neurological deficits or from side-effects of many of the barbaric pharmaceuticals prescribed to us.

I presume this will all change over time as more data comes out in support of cannabis-based medicines and more products are brought to market.

nsw43 05-15-2014 04:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Smith (Post 1069570)
Investigational? This is long overdue considering it's been in use in 25 other countries (including Canada) for years. In the US, Sativex has been stalled in the limbo known Phase III trials for longer than most medications—IMO for political rather than medical/science reasons.

I don't want to be "Captain Bringdown", but let's not get too excited... yet; according to the article, initial data from the Phase III trials is expected around the end of this year. I don't know the average lag between that and actual availability for prescription/use—if they decide the data passes muster. MrsD/anyone? There may still be other obstacles.

Doc
You are so right about how long Sativex has been in limbo. I think they got permission to start Phase III trials in 2007 and yet, according to this story, they only recruited participants in 2013. I do believe "Fast Track" will accelerate approval; it's just a question of by how much.

nsw43 05-15-2014 04:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beatle (Post 1069620)
Keywords: "derived from"...

And the "mixture of compounds" is just THC and CBD, the same as literally hundreds of MMJ products, many of which are now being grown organically under strict, controlled conditions and offered without the following additives of Sativex:

Extraction solvent: Liquid carbon dioxide
Excipients: Ethanol anhydrous, Propylene glycol

Currently, Sativa would cost patients about $14,000 for an annual prescription give or take and we should expect insurance companies to fight tooth and nail to avoid covering it with the exception of terminal cancer or MS while many of us would wait around, literally suffering in pain either from our neurological deficits or from side-effects of many of the barbaric pharmaceuticals prescribed to us.

I presume this will all change over time as more data comes out in support of cannabis-based medicines and more products are brought to market.
All good points. However, not everyone lives in a state where MMJ products are legal. If it gets approved, Sativex could be a godsend to some who don't have access to the wonderful products available in Colorado and other states.

beatle 05-15-2014 04:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nsw43 (Post 1069628)
All good points. However, not everyone lives in a state where MMJ products are legal. If it gets approved, Sativex could be a godsend to some who don't have access to the wonderful products available in Colorado and other states.
I should clarify that I am not completely against Sativex. I generally support anything that has the potential to help people however, my primary issue with Sativex is that the cost prevents it from reaching many who could benefit from it. It's already a problem in the UK where there are many complaints from MS patients (for which it is approved) who can successfully obtain a prescription from their neuro but since the NHS doesn't cover it, they have to pay 550 British Pounds (or $900 USD) out-of-pocket for a 4-6 week supply. That's a problem.

beatle 05-15-2014 06:17 PM
This just in...
 
Minnesota is about to become the 22nd state in the US to legalize medical marijuana. Patients will be permitted access in pill, oil, or vapor form, not smoke however since it is generally less healthy.

Dr. Smith 05-15-2014 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beatle (Post 1069620)
Keywords: "derived from"...

And the "mixture of compounds" is just THC and CBD, the same as literally hundreds of MMJ products, many of which are now being grown organically under strict, controlled conditions and offered without the following additives of Sativex:

Extraction solvent: Liquid carbon dioxide
Excipients: Ethanol anhydrous, Propylene glycol
That's how hemp oil is extracted, and made atomizable for the delivery method. (See links below)

You're concerned about liquid CO2? Ethanol is the alcohol in liquor. I won't get into a debate about propylene glycol; I'll just point out that it's probably in more products you're already using than you realize. Anyone who uses an e-cigarette type vaporizor as a delivery method is going to be breathing ethanol and propylene glycol (which is one of my issues with the cussed things, but that's not what we're talking about).

Quote:
Propylene glycol is considered generally recognized as safe (GRAS) by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and it is used as an humectant (E1520), solvent, and preservative in food and for tobacco products, as well as being one of the major ingredients of the "e-liquid" used in electronic cigarettes along with vegetable glycerin. Vaporizers used for delivery of pharmaceuticals or personal care products often include propylene glycol among the ingredients they are filled with.[4] Propylene glycol is used as a solvent in many pharmaceuticals, including oral, injectable and topical formulations, such as for diazepam and lorazepam which are insoluble in water.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propyle...l#Applications
The Uses of Propylene Glycol in Daily Life

If they bother you, be sure to find out how any hemp oil you get is "derived"/extracted.

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Medical-Marijuana-Oil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZXGH6mYr3Y

And how do these methods test/ensure purity and potency, and deliver measured dosage?

I've yet to see that with ANY "natural" MMJ products, and that's my point. Doctors are used to medications they can prescribe precisely.

You should realize by now from my previous posts, I'm not the opposition here.

Doc

Dr. Smith 05-15-2014 06:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beatle (Post 1069633)
my primary issue with Sativex is that the cost prevents it from reaching many who could benefit from it.
Did you miss where I said:
Quote:
Your other points seem spot-on.
???

Doc

eva5667faliure 05-15-2014 07:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beatle (Post 1069633)
I should clarify that I am not completely against Sativex. I generally support anything that has the potential to help people however, my primary issue with Sativex is that the cost prevents it from reaching many who could benefit from it. It's already a problem in the UK where there are many complaints from MS patients (for which it is approved) who can successfully obtain a prescription from their neuro but since the NHS doesn't cover it, they have to pay 550 British Pounds (or $900 USD) out-of-pocket for a 4-6 week supply. That's a problem.
nuts just nuts
any other reason
heaven forbid it be for the good
of the person in the pain of things
while monies hold a person from obtaining it
the whole blanking thing is nuts
me

Sophie_ 05-16-2014 01:19 AM
Hi Beatle,

Thank you for posting this one, I think it's an important thread to help with pain, unfortunately it's absolutely illegal in this country. I have tried it though, smoking and is once made brownies with the proper weed and it didn't help with my pain at all, chilled me out maybe but that's it no pain relief, I haven't tried it since. As you said yourself what might work for one may not work for another.

Best of luck with it yourself, I hope it gives you some relief. I would like to see legalised in this country but Holy Catholic Ireland nope, it would be a sheer disgraces to allow this madness into the country! I'm taking the p**s out of priest and their law abiding ways except when it come to children of course?

All the best,

S :)


Quote:
Originally Posted by beatle (Post 1062316)
I live in Colorado where cannabis, both for recreational and medical purposes has recently become legal. For two years, I have suffered from debilitating PN and like many others, I have submitted my person to science in many ways for all of the testing associated with ruling out underlying causes. I am glad I did it. I have earned my PN badge. It’s not something I ever wanted but there it is. Also like many others with PN, the underlying cause in my case is unknown. I don’t have cancer or HIV and I was told that unless I changed my lifestyle dramatically, I will never be diabetic. I have been tested for everything that the best neurologists can think of and my Peripheral Neuropathy was determined to be idiopathic in nature, aka IPN.

Since the onset of my symptoms, I have educated myself, poured tens of thousands of dollars into it and devoting myself to making it all better to ultimately improve my now diminished quality of life. I have been prescribed the typical: Gabapentin, Klonopin, Lyrica, Cymbalta (in that order) and recently compounding cream. I have tried countless OTC supplements & creams, literally countless. I have three shelves of them and routinely go through them to box the ones that I am sure haven’t helped to make room for the new ones that just arrived. I use devices like The Rebuilder and Anodyne, I even own a traction device. I have built an arsenal of the things that help a little but I am nowhere near where I need to be, having my condition managed so I can go on with my otherwise happy, successful, great life. I recently ran into a snag with my insurance covering Lyrica (which isn’t all that great IMO) and while that was being sorted out and I was spending the usual countless hours researching PN in my endless search for relief, I came across a reputable study on cannabis and then the pain relieving components of the plant. Then I read another study and another, all posting positive results in the area of treating neuropatic pain. Why haven’t I tried this?

Everyone is different and what works for one, may not work for another so I don’t know how long this thread will travel but I am at a point where I will try anything and today I am trying CBD, the organic, pain relieving component of the marijuana plant. There are no psychoactive properties, there is no high or smoking but rather just the pain relieving benefit from the plant. If I am willing to put all of these lab-manufactured chemicals in my body, why not try something that grows from the earth? It is legal and available here and there is research to support it so I am going to give it a shot.

I'll post back with my experiences, positive, negative or neutral.

ginnie 05-16-2014 07:26 AM
Hi beatle
 
Hope the plant works for you. I have PN and I know it does for me. However not everyone gets the relief. Let us all know how you do. All information helps those seeking answers. ginnie:grouphug:

Dr. Smith 05-16-2014 11:22 AM
Sophie
 
The plant you tried may have had more THC (the chemical that induces "highs") than CBD (the chemical that treats pain). Some strains are now being bred specifically with low THC and high CBD.

It appears that, as in some other countries, while cannabis/marijuana is illegal in Ireland, hemp is legal (even though they're the same plant). Some here (review the thread) are looking into hemp oil, which may contain the CBD for pain, without the THC. I don't know if this is an option for you, but I think it's worth looking into.

http://hempworld.com/Hemp-CyberFarm_.../irelandh.html

hemp in ireland

Doc

Balanchine 05-16-2014 01:09 PM
Very interesting thread and thanks to the original poster for bringing it to everyone's attention. I don't have pain associated with my IPN but tons of numbness and tingling. Since I live in California it shouldn't be tough for me to get a medical MJ license. Then I can at least do some research in the stores to see if any carry the CBD product. If it helps with the tingling alone it'll be worth it.

Dr. Smith 05-16-2014 05:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Balanchine (Post 1069808)
If it helps with the tingling alone it'll be worth it.
Please keep us updated on that. I've not heard of anything yet that substantially helps tingling & numbness from PN.

Doc

Kitt 05-16-2014 07:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beatle (Post 1069653)
Minnesota is about to become the 22nd state in the US to legalize medical marijuana. Patients will be permitted access in pill, oil, or vapor form, not smoke however since it is generally less healthy.
Lots of restrictions though as to who can get it and who cannot. I believe a person has to have one of nine health conditions in order to get it. But I guess it is a start as many have said.

Cancer, Glaucoma, HIV/AIDs, Tourette's Syndrome, ALS, Seizures, Muscle spasm, Crohn's Disease, and certain terminal illnesses.

deb b 05-18-2014 08:41 AM
New to Forum
 
Hello,

I am new and have been catching up on the threads about marijuana. NH, where I live has passed mm but has not implemented. I used it for pain associated with RSD, Erythromelalgia and polyneuropathy. I use both a vaporizer for plant and eCIG for oil. Oil does not produce a high but reduces the burning, gnawing pain. Using these devices eliminates all the harsh, cancer causing toxins. Beatle and others, I hope you are getting some pain relief as well.

*admin edit*



Thanks! I look forward to following this and other threads!

Deb





Quote:
Originally Posted by beatle (Post 1069620)
Keywords: "derived from"
And the "mixture of compounds" is just THC and CBD, the same as literally hundreds of MMJ products, many of which are now being grown organically under strict, controlled conditions and offered without the following additives of Sativex:

Extraction solvent: Liquid carbon dioxide
Excipients: Ethanol anhydrous, Propylene glycol

Currently, Sativa would cost patients about $14,000 for an annual prescription give or take and we should expect insurance companies to fight tooth and nail to avoid covering it with the exception of terminal cancer or MS while many of us would wait around, literally suffering in pain either from our neurological deficits or from side-effects of many of the barbaric pharmaceuticals prescribed to us.

I presume this will all change over time as more data comes out in support of cannabis-based medicines and more products are brought to market.

Balanchine 05-19-2014 11:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Smith (Post 1069884)
Please keep us updated on that. I've not heard of anything yet that substantially helps tingling & numbness from PN.

Doc
Thanks, Doc. And yeah, I figured that but hey it's only money. In fact I found an online source for CBD gum and ordered some. No clue whether or not it's a scam but... (see my comment about money). If I get no effect whatsoever from the gum (assuming it arrives, as against the company draining my credit cards and bank accounts....) I suppose I'll consider pursuing a license for MJ, which I can get by walking into a "clinic" here in LA any day of the week.

There's one strain called Charlotte's Web that was developed to help a little girl with epilepsy and it is advertised as containing much more CBD than the normal THC-laden stuff. Would have to figure out a way to ingest it without smoking it so it's a bit more of a project that, as has been noted, might well yield no positive results. I'm not especially keen on the MJ high these days, unlike when I was a teenager, so I'd just as soon not go through all the trouble and expense of buying a vaporizer.

On we go!

ginnie 05-19-2014 03:37 PM
Hi kitt
 
I think different states allow it for different reasons. In Fla. if it gets on the ballot it will include all neurological diseases as well. ginnie:grouphug:

Kitt 05-19-2014 03:41 PM
You will be lucky if that happens. :winky:

ginnie 05-19-2014 04:11 PM
Hi Kitt
 
Yeh I know. I was one who was signing up people to get it on the ballot. Not sure this state can vote this in. Will work later on in the summer to sign people up to vote. All I can do is try. ginnie:grouphug:

Kitt 05-19-2014 04:45 PM
So true. :winky:

eva5667faliure 05-19-2014 07:16 PM
For this lady
 
All my doctors know
How irresponsible for one
not to tell all doctors
As interactions are sure to
happen
Especially before surgery
But it helps me in a vast way
Rather then ever go on Lyrica
or any of the other neuro Meds
NEVER
I will do what helps
Awesome for nausea
headaches burning tingling
and on and on
I know my body like nobody else
Empower oneself
Be responsible
I do believe it on a recreational level
is a gateway to addicition
More info the better choices
Me

Dr. Smith 05-20-2014 09:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by eva5667faliure (Post 1070393)
I do believe it on a recreational level
is a gateway to addicition
No moreso than caffeine, alcohol, or nicotine. Why is it we don't hear much about those being "gateway" drugs? :rolleyes: ;)

Doc

ginnie 05-20-2014 09:27 AM
Hi Eva and Doc
 
In regards to it being a gateway drug.....I think it depends on the persons psychological make up to begin with. I never had an issue with it, but there are others who do use it and abuse other drugs. A cop I talked to about it when I was campaigning to get this on the ballot, told me that he never arrested any one for just MJ. It was always some fool on other drugs with it.
No question people should use their heads if they are going to do this. Dependence is in the mind maybe....ginnie:grouphug:


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