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beatle 05-04-2015 08:32 PM

Illinois medical marijuana approved for peripheral neuropathy
 
Progress.

http://abc7chicago.com/health/illino...s-ptsd/695960/

Besides chronic migraines and PTSD, the board voted to recommend adding osteoarthritis, irritable bowel syndrome, peripheral neuropathy and diabetic neuropathy to the list of qualifying conditions for the medical marijuana program.

Apollo 05-07-2015 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by beatle (Post 1140211)
Progress.

http://abc7chicago.com/health/illino...s-ptsd/695960/

Besides chronic migraines and PTSD, the board voted to recommend adding osteoarthritis, irritable bowel syndrome, peripheral neuropathy and diabetic neuropathy to the list of qualifying conditions for the medical marijuana program.


May 7, 2015

Hello "Bettle":

So, after one year how are you doing on your MM?

Thank you!

David

beatle 08-06-2015 04:59 PM

Marijuana users no more likely to experience depression, psychosis or asthma
 
Based on other studies in the past that seemed to allude to marijuana use and later development of psychotic symptoms such as delusions or hallucinations, the researchers had thought they might find some associations to disease or other health conditions. But there were none.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...ew-study-says/

Patrick Winter 08-06-2015 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by beatle (Post 1160642)
Based on other studies in the past that seemed to allude to marijuana use and later development of psychotic symptoms such as delusions or hallucinations, the researchers had thought they might find some associations to disease or other health conditions. But there were none.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...ew-study-says/

There are proven links to long terms issues from Marijuana issues as well as abusers with psychotic tendencies. Also, the evidence of cannibus with neuropathy relief is similar to that of the current drugs that are pushed in that they mask the symptoms and do not treat the underlying issue. i would be wary of many current articles looking to selectively promote marijuana for the good while ignoring the bad. I am not against medical marijuana, pain is something no one should suffer with long term, but to say its completely safe is simply ludicrous. Marijuana is a drug, just because its a plant doesnt mean it is wholesome and wonderful for you. It can be abused like any other drug. And there are confirmed studies showing its damage on the brain.

This is a very good debate on the pro and con:

http://www.painresearchforum.org/new...is-pro-and-con

There are plenty of studies that show marijuana does indeed damage your brain and shrinks IQ. Even casual use. You can google that on your own.

beatle 08-06-2015 05:25 PM

It is a drug...and a medicine. Nothing treats the underlying cause and regenerates nerves so what do we do? Live with the pain?

Many people would also attest to healing properties associated with marijuana, not so much the outdated view from the 60s of people taking a hit of a joint and jumping out a window.

The data keeps piling up how beneficial it is for treating many illnesses. You can look that up on your own.

And just because it is not wholesome and wonderful for you does not mean it's not wholesome and wonderful for someone else.

Patrick Winter 08-06-2015 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by beatle (Post 1160649)
It is a drug...and a medicine. Nothing treats the underlying cause and regenerates nerves so what do we do? Live with the pain?

Many people would also attest to healing properties associated with marijuana, not so much the outdated view from the 60s of people taking a hit of a joint and jumping out a window.

The data keeps piling up how beneficial it is for treating many illnesses. You can look that up on your own.

And just because it is not wholesome and wonderful for you does not mean it's not wholesome and wonderful for someone else.


There is evidence of nerve regeneration (remylenation) in many studies using supplements. You can look that up on YOUR own. ALCAR and ALA most notably.

What about all the evidence linking it to brain damage and reduction in IQ? Those are not worth considering?

I have done plenty of research on marijuana the cons outweigh the pros for me. Its a last resort in my mind. There is no evidence of it "healing" neuropathy anywhere. It sounds like you have a bias in favor of it, that's fine. I personally have researched it well and don't see the benefit beyond last resort.

beatle 08-06-2015 05:57 PM

The healing properties associated with marijuana for a number of illnesses is now well documented. I did not say it heals neuropathy. It doesn't. But it does help neuropathic pain. And guess what? You can look that up! :)

Throughout the course of my PN, I went through various drug trials, not able to tolerate the side effects. I come to NT and complain about what lousy drugs they are. And then I realized that is MY experience and MY opinion.

I try not to do that now. Just because a drug didn't help me doesn't mean it wouldn't help someone else. Peripheral Neuropathy is such a dreaded disease that if something helps anyone, it's worth having around as an option.

KnowNothingJon 08-06-2015 07:06 PM

Lyrica was an IQ disaster for me. It helped for awhile and for a bit side effects seemed worth it. While all of our symptoms vary in scope I am sure we can all agree we have accepted some side effects that we never would have believed prior to this issue.

Short term testing as I have only visited a legal state, I found marijuana delightful. For me. I yearn for reclassification so solid testing can take place and we can be better informed. That sounds great.

Maybe people believe it is benign, the same way the small fry from McDonalds is benign, but that argument can flow everywhere. I need relief.

My "good" two week period of work meant I was present there 85% of the time but my 3 3/4 year old and 9 year old were putting me bed before 7 most nights because I was shot. Just shot.

So when NY legalizes, if my physicians are of the mind, I want it in my bag of measures. If half a chew/edible/a few vapes gets me a few hours of Candyland and some family tine during the week so be it.

I have kind of accepted that this is a slope at the moment. A crummy slope. My family has too, though it pains them all. Anything that can bring a measure of relief is welcome. Even if Dad is moving the pot brownie piece two purple for the win in Candyland. (trying to lighten it up)

Anyway, comfort is so wonderful and so often not present...

surfer00 08-06-2015 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowNothingJon (Post 1160674)
Lyrica was an IQ disaster for me. It helped for awhile and for a bit side effects seemed worth it. While all of our symptoms vary in scope I am sure we can all agree we have accepted some side effects that we never would have believed prior to this issue.

Short term testing as I have only visited a legal state, I found marijuana delightful. For me. I yearn for reclassification so solid testing can take place and we can be better informed. That sounds great.

Maybe people believe it is benign, the same way the small fry from McDonalds is benign, but that argument can flow everywhere. I need relief.

My "good" two week period of work meant I was present there 85% of the time but my 3 3/4 year old and 9 year old were putting me bed before 7 most nights because I was shot. Just shot.

So when NY legalizes, if my physicians are of the mind, I want it in my bag of measures. If half a chew/edible/a few vapes gets me a few hours of Candyland and some family tine during the week so be it.

I have kind of accepted that this is a slope at the moment. A crummy slope. My family has too, though it pains them all. Anything that can bring a measure of relief is welcome. Even if Dad is moving the pot brownie piece two purple for the win in Candyland. (trying to lighten it up)

Anyway, comfort is so wonderful and so often not present...

When I smoke in the evening, my mood is changed for the better and my pain is greatly reduced. I wake up fresh after sleeping all night. Nothing else comes close to getting me through another painful day. (Btw, 2 new studies out this week that changes a lot of previous beliefs)

bluesfan 08-07-2015 02:46 PM

Like many of you I am in two minds about the benefits versus risks of marijuana for pain relief.

I've read the reports about permanent long term side effects but really don't need them to know it definitely happens. I just have to look around my own community, and even closer at my own brother, to know that chronic mj use is permanently harmful.

The fact that it comes from a plant (ie a 'natural' drug) is irrelevant - oleander is a 'natural' plant - would you eat or smoke that? It's whatever processing is done to the raw plant material that affects the medicinal quality of it. There is strong evidence that some extracts from the plant can provide temporary relief from pain.

Unfortunately due to conservative political bias and the historical (or hysterical :rolleyes:) stigma attached, cannabis has for too long been relegated to the back bench of serious research as a medicinal compound. The sooner it comes off the black market, and is researched, standardized and made available as an effective medical therapy, the better.


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