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mrsD 04-27-2014 08:36 PM

600 is not very high for injections. Many of us here get 1000 or above from oral.
It is hard to say in your case. If you sleep better and feel better
You are probably converting. The MMA test would be high if
you were not converting.
The DNA test is not that expensive though.

The serum B12 test is only a general marker, it does not
Show everything possible.

Methyl cobalamin is the cofactor for making melatonin in
The brain.. So non-methylators don't sleep well as a symptom
of non conversion.

birdman 04-28-2014 05:03 AM

Did you say SpectraCell?
 
If you go to their website they have lists of "clinicians" that provide their tests at obscure places like The Mayo Clinics, Scripps Labs in LaJolla CA and many other questionable medical clinics in the country. I cant quote all the sources for every article and video lecture I've absorbed where SpectraCell was referenced. You'll have to dig too and if after doing so you feel it be a scam so be it.

In the meanwhile I'll be experimenting with diatomaceous earth cupcake recipes and trying to find an Internist in my town that offers these tests. The highest rated sports medicine Internist in my area offers them but his staff but his staff is so overwhelmed that I've been unable to make an appointment. Many people that are really into nutrition assure me they are the are without peer.

Believe it or not there are lots of people that know what scams are. We weigh the risks and if we feel if it is worth it then we make our choice and give things a try or not. I'm sure Karen guessed there would be doubters trying to make her look DE experience look naive and foolish but I think most can google around and see if it is another scam or if it's worth having a go or not all by themselves.

birdman 04-28-2014 05:07 AM

Stopping B12 Before testing
 
Thank you Mrs D for clearing that up. Stopping B12 before testing makes sense.

Stacy2012 04-28-2014 12:46 PM

DE cupcakes? Interesting, I just put it in water and drink.

hopeful 04-28-2014 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacy2012 (Post 1065950)
Try finding a D.O. doctor he would be more will to perform the test.

I use private labs to go and do many of my own testing for things like nutrition tests, cheaper, private and I can order any test I want.

good luck, you have to become your own best advocate, keep pressing, dont let one doctor telling you no stop you.

Hi Stacy,
I saw a post before that you said you could order your own lab test. If you don't mind me asking where do you live. I have never heard of being able to order any test you want without a doctors order.

Hopeful:)

hopeful 04-28-2014 09:42 PM

Hi Birdman,

I almost want to say ditto to what Dr. Smith and Mrs. posted.

I don't know anything about the spectracell testing but I do know that I would NEVER buy prescriptions online. The internet is a haven for rip-off artists. Remember these people could care less what they put in the pills or how it will affect the person they are selling them to.

There have been many articles and TV shows on recently concerning this problem.

I hear your pain and fear. I also had a sudden onset of neuropathy that progressed very quickly. I understand that you can become desperate and willing to try anything.

My best advice is to try to calm down (our stress makes it worse). Yes I know that is easier said then done. It took me a while.

When we lower our fear level it makes it a little easier to be realistic about the avenues we are willing to travel for a cure or at least some relief.

I hope your pain level decreases and you get your answers.

Dr. Smith 04-29-2014 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by hopeful (Post 1066445)
I have never heard of being able to order any test you want without a doctors order.

You pretty much can, but don't expect your insurance to pay for anything not ordered by your doctor. There are plenty of companies who are more than happy to take patients' money for tests; they don't really care where it comes from. Any company should be checked out for accuracy, complaints, costs, reputation, etc. Caveat emptor.

order your own lab test

Doc

Stacy2012 04-29-2014 09:16 AM

I use:

http://www.anylabtestnow.com/

You can type in your zip code and see if they have one near you.

Dr. Smith 04-29-2014 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by birdman (Post 1066260)
I cant quote all the sources for every article and video lecture I've absorbed where SpectraCell was referenced. You'll have to dig too and if after doing so you feel it be a scam so be it.

That's exactly what I did. :Dunno:

Let me be the one to beg forgiveness if I've said any of this, of if you've heard it, before. Some of it will be for the benefit of others, current & future, who may come upon this thread.

When I read (present tense) your words—many of which I could have written myself—I recognize and feel where so many of us are—or have been. I perceive anxiety/fear, frustration, and desperation. I also infer/perceive a vulnerability that can arise from those feelings.

PN is a life-changing event/illness. Those of us it affects severely enough to come here are (virtually without exception) experiencing the Kübler-Ross model with respect to life-changing events (in this case health/illness issues) whether chronic or curable/reversible.

One of those stages is bargaining; we're willing to believe/do/try almost anything to help ourselves.
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I'm in pain and I'll try anything that is recommended by people who have gotten value from it.
I've been there. I may be there again (and again). There are no rules when it comes to those stages except that we all go through them—some of them more than once.

None of this is any secret. Neither is it a secret that there are countless people in the world ready to exploit other peoples' pain & suffering and resultant vulnerability in order to part them from whatever they have, and they have no compunction about what they're willing to say/do to accomplish that.

With that in mind, this test isn't the first new thing to come down the pipe. The archives, google, youtube... are full of more than I can even imagine—supplements/formulas, electronic devices, books, topicals, and yes... tests that allegedly tell us what's wrong with us and what we need to do/take to rectify/purify/cure us. Another controversial test deemed "inappropriate" is the ALCAT test.
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"These results have been shown to not be reproducible, give different results when duplicate samples are analysed blindly, don't correlate with those from conventional testing, and 'diagnose' food hypersensitivity in subjects with conditions where food allergy is not considered to play a pathogenic role."
Some of these "advances" may have some scientific basis in theory, and some even have FDA approval (my previous comment about FDA approval goes both ways). Many of these "advances" have been discussed here. The Rebuilder comes to mind (E Pluribus Unum). Search the archives for Rebuilder. (Links to archive searches don't always work here. :()

Some things these "advances" all have in common include: Names with letters following them (people who seem very intelligent), glowing endorsements/recommendations/testimonials (mention in many places), scientific "proof" of their efficacy/value (seemingly cogent explanations), new cutting-edge technology that no-one else has, or recognizes... in short, everything you'd expect to find in a top-shelf bonafide advance—except supporting evidence/science.

I've been sucked in myself, and have spent/p'd-away literally thousand$ chasing rainbows. I'm too embarrassed to mention some of them. What's worse, my DW was willing to spend even more, because she loves me, can't bear to see me suffer, and would sacrifice all.

When some of these advances actually yield positive results (which can happen in ANY crapgame, and that's something purveyors [can] count on) it complicates/obscure matters. Unfortunately, the placebo effect has lots of inadvertant results beyond therapeutic statistical anomaly. One is a flawed cause-effect rationale.

With experience(s) on this board, awareness of the stages of grief, some formal training in objective observation, a somewhat skeptical nature, and ongoing self-interest in improving my own plight, when I see some new development mentioned here or elswhere, and/or my curiosity is piqued, I look into them.

First, I look at the links/webpages originally provided, and at the company's (when applicable) website in general. Then I look to see what other kinds of links come up—what are they selling, where are they being talked about—credible mainstream sites/publications or healthcare/scientific fringe? What I do not see can sometimes be more telling than what I do see. Then I look for supporting evidence/studies. Then I look for/at criticisms.

I have done, and do, pretty much the same kind of analysis on other things, so please don't feel singled out, or that I have some kind of grudge here. I went into it with an open mind because I'd never heard about this before you mentioned it, and in the spirit of what you asked:

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I know many of you people have been through this kind of thing and I'd really like some advise.
...I offered what I found out. Like others here (Neuropathy / Health forums skew perception??), my desire/intent is to share my experience. My experience tells me in this case, caveat emptor.

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I agree with Mrs D that research studies are preferable before embarking on a controversial supplement when ever possible. Sometimes you have to step outside your comfort zone and take a calculated risk. You have to risk reaching into the unknown.
I take it the same applies to testing? :Dunno: I appreciate your willingness to take a flyer. I'm fond of saying, "If it can't hurt to try it, then it can't hurt to try it." But I'm generally talking about a supplement, exercise, diet, things like that. What harm is there in a bogus test? Beyond the financial, no test is infallible/without error (which can happen with a serum test as well, but not at ~$400 a pop). Time/energy wasted pursuing potentially false leeds that could have been spent in supportable protocols. I don't know enough medicine to even think of all the potential pitfalls/problems, but I know that I don't know. Maybe that's a good follow-up question to ask.

Doc


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