Originally Posted by Aussie99

Hi Healthgirl,
I have read Jack Ruse. It's very interesting isn't it? I have been on a Paleo diet but cheated on Xmas day and still paying for it. I guess it may take a few days to get out of my system.

Originally Posted by madisongrrl

I've been on a paleo/primal/whole foods style diet for several years and I just adjust my carbs to my activity level. I think it's a great way to eat and it's easy to stay thin on. I'm considering slightly changing my diet to a Wahls Protocol type of ketogenic diet as I want to see if it helps my situation.

Originally Posted by mrsD

I believe the reason some people react to sugar negatively is a chemical pathway called the polyol pathway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyol_pathway

Not all diabetics get this BTW... I recall a science article in the past saying only genetically prone people react to sugar this way.
About 30% of diabetics. Doctors and ads would have you think all diabetics are equal but they do differ.

Type II diabetes has an surplus of insulin also... and high insulin levels, interact with the Cox-2 pathway and favor it, at the expense of the Cox-1 path which is a maintenance path. The Cox-2 path is inflammatory, and inflammation causes pain.
This reaction may be blunted by fish oil. So people who react to sugar with more pain should be on fish oil at least for a while to see if that helps.

People with poor livers, damaged livers by virus infections or alcohol, are not going to make enough glycogen or glucose on a paleo diet. These people will always crave carbs, more than others. Carbs also favor synthesis of serotonin, and as such provide a form of calming, for many. High protein diets are well known for making some people anxious, irritable and hyper.

Originally Posted by Aussie99

Thanks Mrs. D, so I think your comment is favouring some fish oil at least in my case. I already take a multi, Taurine, D, & 100 mg r-Lipoic acid & 2400 mg of Primrose oil, and a blend of vegetable amino acids for hair/skin,nails.
Is it ok to take the fish oil with the primrose oil? Also I was thinking of adding an herb called Gymnema. I found it on the Iherb website for sugar balance, since rlipoic acid actually worked for me for the first 2 weeks I was on it.

Originally Posted by Aussie99

Hi Madisongirl. With your diet are you in Ketosis? I am not sure if I am in Ketosis, but my friend who studied nutrition said I was not. She said ketosis causes bad breath ands dark urine. I am not sure because I don't get much carbs at all maybe 30-50 max a day. I eat mostly nuts ,veggies ,sugar free natural peanut butter,eggs,salad, lamb & beef. I have decided to see a dietician to help me devise an eating plan.

I cheated over xmas eve, Xmas day, Boxing Day with xmas cake mostly and a few caramels.

Now I am having trouble getting to that tolerable/acceptable pain plateau again.

Originally Posted by madisongrrl

I'm not currently in Ketosis, but I'll probably be striving for that in the next several months. I'm not sure about bad breath and being in ketosis, but you can buy keto strips for rough measurement purposes.

Originally Posted by mrsD

Try cutting back on the primrose. I am not a fan of high doses of this. Just do a little and see what happens. Fish oil or krill oil... will do some good I think. 2 or 3 regular fish oil or two regular Krill (or one super Krill concentrate).

Originally Posted by janieg

While not meeting the criteria for diabetes or even pre-diabetes, I am somewhere on the spectrum with "misbehaving" blood glucose levels. Carbs cause my bg to spike too high and stay too high, but not enough to cause a high A1c result.

I don't notice an increase in discomfort with my SFN when I overdo carbs, but I've still cut back drastically. A nice side effect has been easy weight loss.

Anyway, one thing I'm experimenting with right now is taking apple cider vinegar (organic, unfiltered, unpasteurized...like Bragg's) before I part in a carb laden meal. I need to do controlled comparison, but I've heard it can reduce your bg by significant amounts. I tried it before Christmas brunch which was loaded with sugar, and I couldn't believe how good my bg was 2 hours later. Like I said, though, I need to try a more controlled experiment with taking it and not taking it before carb consumption with the exact same amount of carbs.

Originally Posted by KnowNothingJon

Being in the diabetic category this may not be useful, but I feel the impact of extra sugar in my diet just about every single time.

It has been helpful to curb my intake, though there are other factors that cause my flares. Which makes it difficult to pinpoint root causes at times. While I have been successful at times with cataloging my intake vs exacerbations, I have had to scale back my journaling due to time constraints.

Good luck figuring it out!

Jon