advertisement
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-17-2015, 10:45 AM #1
Ragtop262 Ragtop262 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Midwest
Posts: 381
8 yr Member
Ragtop262 Ragtop262 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Midwest
Posts: 381
8 yr Member
Default

I also had twitching/cramping as my first symptoms. Then "perceived" weakness. At that time I was convinced I had a MND, but testing and multiple neurological exams has pretty much ruled it out. Later, the weakness seemed to gradually resolve - but then the burning feet, etc. started. Unfortunately, I don't have a diagnosis yet despite the fact that my symptoms certainly seem to match some type of sensory neuropathy.

Have you had an EMG & nerve conduction testing? That is one of the main tests that is used to rule out ALS/MND, and also will identify motor neuropathy.

As for nerve healing, it is slow and logically it can only happen if the underlying cause of the damage is resolved. There are a number of supplements that can aid in this process including B12 and various other B vitamins, alpha lipoic acid, acetyl-L -carnatine, and so on). Check out the Supplements thread as well as the many, many posts on this topic throughout this forum for more info.
Ragtop262 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
twitchwitch (04-17-2015)
Old 04-17-2015, 10:54 AM #2
twitchwitch twitchwitch is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: American living in Germany
Posts: 67
8 yr Member
twitchwitch twitchwitch is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: American living in Germany
Posts: 67
8 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragtop262 View Post
I also had twitching/cramping as my first symptoms. Then "perceived" weakness. At that time I was convinced I had a MND, but testing and multiple neurological exams has pretty much ruled it out. Later, the weakness seemed to gradually resolve - but then the burning feet, etc. started. Unfortunately, I don't have a diagnosis yet despite the fact that my symptoms certainly seem to match some type of sensory neuropathy.

Have you had an EMG & nerve conduction testing? That is one of the main tests that is used to rule out ALS/MND, and also will identify motor neuropathy.

As for nerve healing, it is slow and logically it can only happen if the underlying cause of the damage is resolved. There are a number of supplements that can aid in this process including B12 and various other B vitamins, alpha lipoic acid, acetyl-L -carnatine, and so on). Check out the Supplements thread as well as the many, many posts on this topic throughout this forum for more info.
Thank you - I will look into the other threads about treatments.

Were you ever diagnosed with clinical weakness from a doctor? I have, with my shoulder.

My EMG was abnormal in my arm. Showed the things that I posted above. The doctor ruled out ALS only because of the sensory and pain issues, my age and the location of weakness (shoulder), but I am so uneasy about this. What were the reason ALS was ruled out for you? Did you have abnormal EMGs?
__________________
*****
- Jul 2013 - Benign Fasciculation Syndrome (BFS)
- Mar 2015 - Spine herniations at C5/C6 and C6/C7
- Apr 2015 - L. Shoulder/Arm Neuralgic Amyotrophy/Plexus Neuritis

.
twitchwitch is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 04-17-2015, 02:48 PM #3
Ragtop262 Ragtop262 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Midwest
Posts: 381
8 yr Member
Ragtop262 Ragtop262 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Midwest
Posts: 381
8 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by twitchwitch View Post
Thank you - I will look into the other threads about treatments.

Were you ever diagnosed with clinical weakness from a doctor? I have, with my shoulder.

My EMG was abnormal in my arm. Showed the things that I posted above. The doctor ruled out ALS only because of the sensory and pain issues, my age and the location of weakness (shoulder), but I am so uneasy about this. What were the reason ALS was ruled out for you? Did you have abnormal EMGs?
For me, ALS was ruled out due to clean EMG, lack of significant clinical weakness, and lack of progression over a period of several months. MS was ruled out due to clean brain and neck MRI's and normal results on somatosensory evoked potentials testing. It was certainly a relief to find out that I did not have have these very serious diseases.

Now, if only I could get a definitive diagnosis of what is wrong with me.......
Ragtop262 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
echoes long ago (04-17-2015), twitchwitch (04-18-2015)
Old 04-18-2015, 10:49 AM #4
twitchwitch twitchwitch is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: American living in Germany
Posts: 67
8 yr Member
twitchwitch twitchwitch is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: American living in Germany
Posts: 67
8 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragtop262 View Post
For me, ALS was ruled out due to clean EMG, lack of significant clinical weakness, and lack of progression over a period of several months. MS was ruled out due to clean brain and neck MRI's and normal results on somatosensory evoked potentials testing. It was certainly a relief to find out that I did not have have these very serious diseases.

Now, if only I could get a definitive diagnosis of what is wrong with me.......

I am happy for you, it is a blessing if this could be ruled out....but I have an abnormal EMG with clinical weakness and am scared. Did they tell you that pain rules out ALS/MND (did/do you have pain)? That is what my neuro said to rule it out for me and that is the only string of hope I have right now...my weakness has not improved (yet) since healing takes a long time....so I am in a phase of waiting, will it improve or progress?

I also had a clean SEP and MEP.
__________________
*****
- Jul 2013 - Benign Fasciculation Syndrome (BFS)
- Mar 2015 - Spine herniations at C5/C6 and C6/C7
- Apr 2015 - L. Shoulder/Arm Neuralgic Amyotrophy/Plexus Neuritis

.
twitchwitch is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 04-18-2015, 12:30 PM #5
mrsD's Avatar
mrsD mrsD is offline
Wisest Elder Ever
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Great Lakes
Posts: 33,508
15 yr Member
mrsD mrsD is offline
Wisest Elder Ever
mrsD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Great Lakes
Posts: 33,508
15 yr Member
Lightbulb

Do you have any discoloration in the arm or fingers?

My understanding of some TOS is that it can result from a blood clot in a vein in the shoulder area. When that happens, nerves may be impacted with poor circulation, etc.

So some evaluations involve evaluating the blood vessels in the area. You might think about this aspect too, since you don't lift weights (move furniture or luggage), have an injury, swim too much, or throw balls etc.(sports)

Females on birth control pills can have odd blood clots in strange places, especially if they have a genetic error in the family to favor these. Some get the clots in legs, others, in deep pelvic veins, and some get them in the brain and elsewhere.
__________________
All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.-- Galileo Galilei

************************************

.
Weezie looking at petunias 8.25.2017


****************************
These forums are for mutual support and information sharing only. The forums are not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment provided by a qualified health care provider. Always consult your doctor before trying anything you read here.
mrsD is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
baba222 (04-18-2015), echoes long ago (04-18-2015), twitchwitch (04-18-2015)
Old 04-18-2015, 05:37 PM #6
twitchwitch twitchwitch is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: American living in Germany
Posts: 67
8 yr Member
twitchwitch twitchwitch is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: American living in Germany
Posts: 67
8 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrsD View Post
Do you have any discoloration in the arm or fingers?

My understanding of some TOS is that it can result from a blood clot in a vein in the shoulder area. When that happens, nerves may be impacted with poor circulation, etc.

So some evaluations involve evaluating the blood vessels in the area. You might think about this aspect too, since you don't lift weights (move furniture or luggage), have an injury, swim too much, or throw balls etc.(sports)

Females on birth control pills can have odd blood clots in strange places, especially if they have a genetic error in the family to favor these. Some get the clots in legs, others, in deep pelvic veins, and some get them in the brain and elsewhere.
Thank you. No discoloration or vessel issues here. I also do not take any birth control. All I know is when my neck pain started up again tonight, so did the pain in my arm. And tingling/prickling in elbow. Its hard to NOT think that my arm us not part of my neck herniations. I will see what the neuro surgeon says on Monday. I will for sure report back.
__________________
*****
- Jul 2013 - Benign Fasciculation Syndrome (BFS)
- Mar 2015 - Spine herniations at C5/C6 and C6/C7
- Apr 2015 - L. Shoulder/Arm Neuralgic Amyotrophy/Plexus Neuritis

.
twitchwitch is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
mrsD (04-18-2015)
Old 04-18-2015, 04:11 PM #7
Ragtop262 Ragtop262 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Midwest
Posts: 381
8 yr Member
Ragtop262 Ragtop262 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Midwest
Posts: 381
8 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by twitchwitch View Post

Did they tell you that pain rules out ALS/MND (did/do you have pain)? .
Note that I'm obviously not a doctor, so this is just what I learned from various sites: At that time, I had no pain, so it wasn't a factor for me. However, everything I researched at that time said that MND generally does not cause significant pain (or numbness, paresthesias, etc). So, while not definitive from a diagnostic standpoint - the presence of pain or other sensory symptoms tends to point away from MND. (That seems to match up with what your doctor told you.)
Ragtop262 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
twitchwitch (04-18-2015)
Old 04-18-2015, 05:40 PM #8
twitchwitch twitchwitch is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: American living in Germany
Posts: 67
8 yr Member
twitchwitch twitchwitch is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: American living in Germany
Posts: 67
8 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragtop262 View Post
Note that I'm obviously not a doctor, so this is just what I learned from various sites: At that time, I had no pain, so it wasn't a factor for me. However, everything I researched at that time said that MND generally does not cause significant pain (or numbness, paresthesias, etc). So, while not definitive from a diagnostic standpoint - the presence of pain or other sensory symptoms tends to point away from MND. (That seems to match up with what your doctor told you.)
Thank you. I have heard that too all over the place. I def have pain that only gabapentin can help. Oral Cortisone didn't take it all away, all other meds (Ibuprofen, etcetera) were useless. I posed above, when my neck hurts, there goes my arm pain again. Will see what the neuro surgeon says on Monday. I appreciate everyone's attention and support! I would invite you all over for dinner if I could!
__________________
*****
- Jul 2013 - Benign Fasciculation Syndrome (BFS)
- Mar 2015 - Spine herniations at C5/C6 and C6/C7
- Apr 2015 - L. Shoulder/Arm Neuralgic Amyotrophy/Plexus Neuritis

.
twitchwitch is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
baba222 (04-18-2015), echoes long ago (04-18-2015), EmilySH (04-18-2015)
Old 04-20-2015, 04:23 AM #9
twitchwitch twitchwitch is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: American living in Germany
Posts: 67
8 yr Member
twitchwitch twitchwitch is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: American living in Germany
Posts: 67
8 yr Member
Default

Just got out from seeing the neurosurgeon. His opinion:


Plexus Neuritis. He said the same thing the neuro did. The herniations at C5/C6 and C6/C7 are too low to affect the shoulder and deltoid. He said the findings on my MRI should not lead to my arm problems. No indication for surgery, no indication of other shoulder problem. He tested my strength, it was there (full).

He said my neck pain is for sure from the herniations.

He said to continue with physio, exercises and meds. He said it will take a long time to get better. If I don't or the pain gets worse in a few weeks, to see him again.

So I'm dealing with 2 neck herniations and neuritis. Guys and gals, I really need to have some kind of improvement in my arm strength. No worsening. I see my normal neuro on Thurs (not the one who diagnosed me with neuritis), to go over all of this with him. Maybe he'll do more tests. ??

I am keeping a journal of my symptoms.... Like arm pain, arm twitching, arm weakness....and giving it a number from 1-10. I have an app on my phone that makes it easy.
__________________
*****
- Jul 2013 - Benign Fasciculation Syndrome (BFS)
- Mar 2015 - Spine herniations at C5/C6 and C6/C7
- Apr 2015 - L. Shoulder/Arm Neuralgic Amyotrophy/Plexus Neuritis

.
twitchwitch is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 04-20-2015, 02:11 PM #10
Littlepaw's Avatar
Littlepaw Littlepaw is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,537
8 yr Member
Littlepaw Littlepaw is offline
Senior Member
Littlepaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,537
8 yr Member
Default

Hi, sorry if you addressed this already but did they check your Vit D level? It is important for nerve function but frequently low and in need of supplementation.

I would encourage you not to give up on finding something aggravating your condition. Neuritis has to start somewhere. Think back if you started anything new before this began. Or take 10-14 days off of a lot of things and see if you have improvement. I had a saphenous neuritis above my medial knee for an entire year that was driving me nuts, buzzed all the way up the leg and had fasiculations. My doctors all shrugged and probably thought I was crazy. I thought I had spread of CRPS.

Turns out I was causing it on the recumbent bike at the gym. I only figured it out after taking 10 days off of working out and realizing it was gone. I got out my anatomy book and found there is a fascial canal where my problem was. Ends up people often get repetition strain in that area. I Added activities back in one by one till I figured out the problem and voila, no more saphenous neuritis now! Oddly, the regular bike is not a problem, only the recumbent so even seemingly minor changes in routine CAN be a problem. I know they want you to do PT but I am wondering about taking a break and seeing if things calm down any before starting that....

Hope you feel better soon, Sending Healing Love
Littlepaw is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
twitchwitch (04-20-2015)
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Help please: Frustrated: Twitching, Muscle Weakness, Atrophy (What could this be?) anabanana Peripheral Neuropathy 5 10-10-2013 08:48 AM
Plexus Opinions ashley_r310 Vitamins, Nutrients, Herbs and Supplements 1 07-15-2013 06:16 AM
brachial plexus MRI tomorrow CindyCB Thoracic Outlet Syndrome 10 08-20-2011 06:53 PM
Muscle twitching and weakness -- mostly arms EHorst99 Peripheral Neuropathy 2 01-17-2009 05:44 PM
choroid plexus how can we help vini Traumatic Brain Injury and Post Concussion Syndrome 0 08-26-2008 06:52 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:31 AM.

Powered by vBulletin • Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise v2.7.1 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
 

NeuroTalk Forums

Helping support those with neurological and related conditions.

 

The material on this site is for informational purposes only,
and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment
provided by a qualified health care provider.


Always consult your doctor before trying anything you read here.