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janieg 05-10-2015 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowNothingJon (Post 1141500)
Well, there goes my every other day apple.

But thank you. I knew they could be hard on my stomach if eaten first thing, but that sugar, wow.

Is that most apples or red delicious?

There is a difference in sugar content, but I remember it not being substantial. I recall that Fujis were the worst, and Granny Smith the best. Unfortunately over the past century, most of the commercially available apples have been bred to be sweeter in keeping with our tastes. The old cultivars, if you're lucky enough to find one, are supposed to be the best. This guy in NC grows them. Would love to find someone local:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/03/ga...rden.html?_r=0

My friend who is a severe diabetic still eats apples, but only two or three slices at a time. She refrigerates the rest in a sealed container to eat later. All I know is that eating an apple on an empty stomach took my blood sugar into the high 140s. My goal is to keep it under 120 at all times.

The one trick that is used to prevent spikes, and it does work for me, is to drink organic apple cider vinegar before you eat carbs. And yes, it tastes as awful as it sounds, but I do it when I know carbs will be unavoidable.

KnowNothingJon 05-10-2015 06:25 PM

well, I look to eliminate spikers. I think I really enjoyed my lemon juice soaked apples. I'll drop em and monitor. The only dsily/every other day sugar "safe" from the block are my bananas.

kneed2no 05-13-2015 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by janieg (Post 1141364)
I have adjusted my diet to low carbs (20g - 60g per day), and the best I can say is that my symptoms haven't progressed. It's been about 7 months now.

IMO, since high blood sugar levels are an absolute known insult to nerves, anyone with neuropathy would be wise to cut back on carbs. I have intermittent hyperglycemia (high blood sugar), yet sail through normal diabetes screening. I'm not even close to pre-diabetes according to those blood results, yet my blood sugar rises to high and potentially nerve-damaging levels when I eat carbs. I hate to think how many other people like me are out there and have no clue. I was on a high "healthy" carb diet for a long time, and I'm sure drove myself to this state.

I looked at The Wahl's Protocol awhile back and just gulped. I'm just trying the low carb/high fat approach for now and see what happens.

That is an incredibly low carbohydrate intake. How do you pull it off? I'm trying to lower my carbs also. Hemoglobin A1c was 5.4 - which is too high. Trending towards the prediabetic. I already to have neuropathy. What kinds of things do you eat? Give me some ideas. My gut doesn't like it when I eat too many vegetables - very gassy. Seems hard to find the right adjustment.

janieg 05-13-2015 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kneed2no (Post 1142193)
That is an incredibly low carbohydrate intake. How do you pull it off? I'm trying to lower my carbs also. Hemoglobin A1c was 5.4 - which is too high. Trending towards the prediabetic. I already to have neuropathy. What kinds of things do you eat? Give me some ideas. My gut doesn't like it when I eat too many vegetables - very gassy. Seems hard to find the right adjustment.

In a nutshell....eggs, meat, fat (not trans), non-starchy veggies, cheese and nuts.

No....sugar, starchy veggies, fruit, or grains of any kind or in any form

I have no problems with veggies, so I eat a lot of them....at least six different kinds throughout the day, usually more.

As long as you keep your fat intake up, you won't be hungry.

Here's a link to a transcribed version of Dr. Eric Westman's famous "Page 4."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/200781570/...an-Pg-4#scribd

YouTube video of his talk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSLf4bzAyOM (38 minutes


Another TED talk by a doctor that just came out on this fat/carb subject with regard to diabetes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da1vvigy5tQ (18 minutes)



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Tunaboy 05-14-2015 06:47 PM

So far I have not noticed much of a change. I mainly eat rice/sweet potatoes, lots of veggies/fruit and chicken. Anti-inflammatory diets I assume are geared more towards people with IBS or other digestive disorders. Other than being good for health overall, I don't see the connection to PN.

janieg 05-14-2015 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tunaboy (Post 1142376)
So far I have not noticed much of a change. I mainly eat rice/sweet potatoes, lots of veggies/fruit and chicken. Anti-inflammatory diets I assume are geared more towards people with IBS or other digestive disorders. Other than being good for health overall, I don't see the connection to PN.

The diet we've been talking about here is one for lowering your blood glucose levels in case diabetes or pre-diabetes are responsible for the PN. They're one of the major causes and are sometimes not caught by basic screening tests.

http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/neuropathies/

About 60 to 70 percent of people with diabetes have some form of neuropathy.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3086960/

"Diabetes and prediabetes (including both impaired glucose tolerance and impaired fasting glucose) frequently are associated with pure small fiber neuropathy;"

madisongrrl 05-14-2015 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tunaboy (Post 1142376)
So far I have not noticed much of a change. I mainly eat rice/sweet potatoes, lots of veggies/fruit and chicken. Anti-inflammatory diets I assume are geared more towards people with IBS or other digestive disorders. Other than being good for health overall, I don't see the connection to PN.

Autoimmune conditions.

Tunaboy 05-15-2015 09:20 AM

Yes I forgot about glucose being a big factor. If blood glucose levels are ok, is it still necessary to do a glucose tolerance test?

Ragtop262 05-15-2015 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Tunaboy (Post 1142516)
Yes I forgot about glucose being a big factor. If blood glucose levels are ok, is it still necessary to do a glucose tolerance test?

A lot of the info I've seen lately indicates that impaired glucose tolerance can be seen in people that don't show as having a problem on the typical fasting glucose or a1c tests. And the evidence seems to be mounting that impaired glucose tolerance results in PN for a significant percentage of people.

So many of us have just become used to eating processed foods on a daily basis because its easy and cheap. Who knows what all the artificial preservatives and ingredients are doing to us after years of consuming them? Going back to more natural foods might not be a miracle cure, but it sure can't hurt.........

Tunaboy 05-15-2015 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ragtop262 (Post 1142527)
A lot of the info I've seen lately indicates that impaired glucose tolerance can be seen in people that don't show as having a problem on the typical fasting glucose or a1c tests. And the evidence seems to be mounting that impaired glucose tolerance results in PN for a significant percentage of people.

So many of us have just become used to eating processed foods on a daily basis because its easy and cheap. Who knows what all the artificial preservatives and ingredients are doing to us after years of consuming them? Going back to more natural foods might not be a miracle cure, but it sure can't hurt.........

Yeah maybe i'll get tested for that too. I really don't eat much sugar though, but do eat lots of white carbs.


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