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mrsD 05-27-2015 08:29 AM

High dose steroids would wear off into the evening and night.
Cortisol is after all a fluctuating hormone with highs and lows in 12 hr cycles, with the lowest at 4am or so.

High dose steroids also raise blood sugars, and when those drop, it would be a big LOW blood sugar and give symptoms of that.
This could be a problem for those with impaired glucose utilization to begin with. It is something to consider.

I didn't have any of those issues, however.

ellsac 05-27-2015 08:36 AM

Good point Mrs. D.

I highest steroid dose I was on was when I went to into Addisonian crisis for a stomach bug about 4 years ago. I had to get IV steroids put into my body until the bug started to pass in the hospital-but they played it safer rather than sorry, and gave me way too much (not that I don't appreciate the safer than sorry tactic-it is definitely preferable to me getting LESS steroids than I need during an infection like that)-it caused me to bloat, and my blood sugar went up considerably. It went back to normal as soon as I was down to my normal dose, though. Perhaps a blood sugar swing aggravated things.

Tunaboy 05-27-2015 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ellsac (Post 1144637)
That is odd. whenever I increase my steroids, I feel awesome (since it is short term), because it makes all of my aches and pains go away (nothing to do with neuropathy).

Maybe Mrs. D is right, and it allowed an existing infection to take the upper hand.

Were you really anxious about taking the steroids? Could the flare have been from possible stress/anxiety? I hope you don't take offense to that-I just have noticed that for me, personally, if I am anxious about something, my neuropathy will flare pretty badly.

What infections could last this long? My only thought would be Lyme but i've already tested negative. Cytomegalovirus?

No I wasn't really anxious. Maybe a little bit the first day, but that day I felt fine. It wasn't until the second day towards the evening it started.

mrsD 05-27-2015 02:03 PM

You can have an infectious arthritis simmering, a sinus infection, a chronic prostatitis, even a simmering endocarditis. Many of these may come from infected teeth, tooth extractions, any staph intrusion. Some people have simmering viruses in the liver, but liver blood tests would show those. Simmering Herpes simplex and Herpes zoster, and Parvo virus. My son had a mono infection (he just felt terrible and tired), for weeks before I sent him to our doctor...(when he came home from college one year) and when she did his blood work his liver enzymes were sky high. He had to wait months for his wisdom tooth extractions because of it.

en bloc 05-27-2015 02:37 PM

Do you have any weakness with your neuropathy? I ask because steroids can exacerbate symptoms in multifocal motor neuropathy (MMN). I wonder if it is possible to exacerbate other types of neuropathy as well...in rare cases. There are many drugs that cause opposite of target effect in some patients. I wouldn't rule out that this is the way you react to steroids...at least high dose steroids.

Have you considered trying a lower dose to see if the same thing happens? 80 mg, is a really hefty dose...much higher then most tapers!! You might cut in half and try 40mg.

MAT52 05-28-2015 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by en bloc (Post 1143102)
I'm sure anything is possible, but it certainly would be rare. I would think the autoimmune process would be more likely in your case since most AI diseases are 'triggered' by either an infection, virus, illness and even trauma/surgery...anything that causes a major immune response. Oral surgery could definitely be a trigger.

I understand not wanting to go the steroid route (I regret my years of steroids and the now permanent damage to my body), but if the course he prescribed is short (5-10 days in a taper), then it might be worth it just to see if the your symptoms improve. If they do, then you would at least know which direction to look for the cause (things with inflammation). You don't have to continue the steroids after you see they help...at this point just focus on hunting down the source of the inflammation.

I agree with Enbloc - a short course of steroids could be the best way for you to clarify whether your neuropathic pain is part of the inflammatory process. This is nagging away at you and I can't see that a short course would do much harm although I avoid them like the plague as they make me go bio polar.

To shock you a little about the CRP. Mine is usually in the low teens while my ESR is usually quite high - between 30 and 60. Over the last five weeks my CRP has risen up to 160 twice and gone down in between to as low as 6.7! The huge surges have corresponded with symptoms that have led to two week long hospital stays and were assumed to be because of infection the first time but second time - this time last week I was re-admitted - two hospital consultants, one a nephrologist the other general - found no sign of infection. My ESR has been steadily rising and is now at 78. Conclusion - this a reflection of out of control inflammation as part of the autoimmune disease process.

I am not taking steroids yet and not on NSAIDs because of stomach issues. Nothing is simple or straightforward in my world but if I had your issues I'd take steroids and use them to play detective. :cool:

novachiro 05-28-2015 11:04 AM

I have read that intermittent fasting lowers crp. I've been doing it for about 4 weeks and feel pretty good. The first week is hard. I do the 16/8 method.

Tunaboy 05-28-2015 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by en bloc (Post 1144714)
Do you have any weakness with your neuropathy? I ask because steroids can exacerbate symptoms in multifocal motor neuropathy (MMN). I wonder if it is possible to exacerbate other types of neuropathy as well...in rare cases. There are many drugs that cause opposite of target effect in some patients. I wouldn't rule out that this is the way you react to steroids...at least high dose steroids.

Have you considered trying a lower dose to see if the same thing happens? 80 mg, is a really hefty dose...much higher then most tapers!! You might cut in half and try 40mg.

I don't have any noticeable weakness. When I had oral surgery, I was given IV dexamethasone which is another corticosteroid. My symptoms began a week later. Could it be a rare allergic reaction to steroids? It seems my body does not tolerate them well. At this point I don't think a lower dose will do me any good. I just hope this eventually resolves over time.

en bloc 05-28-2015 01:46 PM

If you had a reaction last time you received steroids in a different form & route, then YES, I would say an odd allergic reaction is possible. And it sounds like the results was even similar... you experienced the initial onset the first time, and increased symptoms of same the next time. Very strange. I wonder if this is the root cause to your symptoms.


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