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Old 12-30-2015, 05:35 PM   #11
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Madisongrrl,

Thanks for all this. Sorry for the delay in responding. But I did receive and read your helpful note, and really appreciate the sentiment. Im glad I find this and you and the others, and hope that we can all received some relief, if not a cure.

Im sorry to hear that you have been suffering so much. Your situation sounds worse than mine. I also had tinnitus, spasms, lots of joint pain, but no burning, or very little. The tremor on my left side can be bad, but often or mostly when Im about to go to sleep. Recently, the worst has been face symptoms, lots of numbness, tingling, shocks and the like. Not fun. But overall, I think Im doing better. But honestly who the hell knows with this illness?!

I do hope youve continued to improve with your treatment now that they know at least one of the causes. I also hope that more and more you receive back some of the self you were, your life, identity and all that defined you. This has hit me hard too, and Ive been through lots of reassessing and rethinking of who I am, what I want and can have in my life. Its something you dont expect to deal with in your mid-30s.

The diet has and does help. I use Ketostix now and then, and they show .5, which is what my lab blood test showed. Its good. You dont want to be stuck in the extremes of ketosis. Ive been on this for 6 months. It sounds like you had a healthy diet pre-SFN, so Im not surprised that yours at least partly, if not entirely, came from a foreign entity, Lyme. Mine is likely autoimmune, given my diet and lifestyle, but perhaps that just made worse a foreign invasion, so to speak. Im going to treat for that, since I really dont know what else to do, or where to get the meds youre getting. It doesnt work that way here really, though I could try to ask my GP. There are no physicians working outside the system in Canada.

But more and more Im thinking of heading across the border and seeing what I can get done. It will be at a financial cost though.

Thanks again for all the helpful links, advice and for just commiserating. If you have any ideas, anything that can help, Id be grateful. In the meantime, I hope you keep improving.




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David,

I can relate to some of your story. My SFN symptoms came on very fast when I turned 38; it's pretty much patchy all over my body. Looking back even a few years, I had many "mechanical" issues that were likely nerve related - especially that last year leading up to my acute phase.

Unlike you, I have extreme burning - face, head, arms, legs, back, butt etc. I have a vestibular disorder that came along with all of this. I think it has something to do with the nerve pain that broke out deep on the left side of my face - throat to eyeball. It's likely what neuros called Atypical Facial Pain. Fatigue, shooting pain, tremors, heart palpitations, tinnitus, hearing issues, disequilibrium, wet and hypersensitive skin, deep bone and joint pain, and spasms....you name it, I've experienced it.

I was eating a whole-foods Paleo style diet before this came on. I was also an elite cyclist (maybe not the healthiest thing, but I loved it) and had a really demanding career. Now my life is so different. I've adjusted, but I feel like I've lost my identity and it makes me sad sometimes. So I just try to take it one day at a time. My career has been scaled back and the only exercise I can do is pool aerobics with a bunch of women that are significantly older than myself.

It's great that you've been reading the paleomom's blog. She is a biomedical researcher and has really dug into the data with intestinal permeability and autoimmunity. I've been kind of doing a higher fat paleo diet, but I think I want to try a full on ketogenic diet for a few months. I bought a ketonix to help measure ketones. I also take a number of supplements and enjoying reading about supplement science. I used to both develop analytical methods and perform 3rd party lab testing for a wide variety of supplements and pharmaceuticals. I never knew that my background would ever come in handy for anything in my personal life.

Like you, I'm a researcher. It's both in my personality and is something I do quite a bit in my professional life. The top thing that has helped me so far is taking a drug called Low Dose Naltrexone. I've only been on it for 2 months and it has significantly reduced the burning in my hands and feet. The doctor who prescribed this drug is evaluating me for Lyme disease. If this turns up negative, then I don't know what the next step is. All my regular doctors don't really seem to care or want to help. They are perfectly fine giving me as much gabapentin as I want to take, then send me on my way out the door. This disease is so incredibly frustrating.

I'm both glad you found this message board and sorry that you had to join the SFN club.
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Thanks David. I'm getting better every single day. Baby steps, I guess.
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Old 12-30-2015, 08:56 PM   #13
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Wonderful to hear!

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Thanks David. I'm getting better ever single day. Baby steps, I guess.
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Old 01-01-2016, 12:47 PM   #14
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Hi Bluesfan,

Thank you for your kind words and the encouragement. This forum and you all are wonderful. I genuinely find it encouraging and an important part of this, and on some level I want to get better for us all, and feel that when others improve, it's a pick me up for me me too. I think such community is important.

I'm sorry to hear about your various health problems. I hear what you're neuro is saying, but perhaps it's still worth seeking the cause, in case it can be addressed? Perhaps another neuro will, if he/she won't? How have your symptoms gone? Have you seen improvement with dietary and/or supplement or general lifestyle changes? I hope so. Often that's all we have.

Thank you for those links. I've read much on here in the last month or so, but this looks good, and I don't think I've read it all for sure. I do have all the supplements and then some waiting in the wings and will introduce them one by one. In the last week or two, the B12 and B-complex introduction has really helped with energy, mood and much else, so that was a very positive introduction. I drank a lot, so it could have been caused by nutrient deficiencies, at least partly, if not entirely.

Well, I'll keep updating things, and will hope it's more positive than negative.

Thanks again and happy new year!


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Hi DavidHC

Thanks for sharing your journey and the info you've researched.

I have PN (probably autoimmune SFN) but the neurologist says there's too many things going on health-wise to establish a definite diagnosis/cause. (Primary Addison's Disease (adrenal failure), Osteoarthritis, Sicca syndrome, TN + other stuff). Like you I've found lots of useful info here on NT.

If you haven't read the PN stickies here are links to a couple with lots of info and directions to other links & websites:

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread177.html (started by Liza Jane)

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread43699.html (started by Liza Jane)

If you go to page 2 of the second thread there is 3-part post(s) by a member named Wing42 that has information on diet & supplements to reduce PN.

All the best for your continued treatment. You've done exceptionally well to turn your lifestyle around - hope it brings you more improvements.
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Old 01-01-2016, 01:29 PM   #15
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Thanks for this, Glenn.

Yes, this: given the immune function of the gut, dysregulation there might lead to autoimmunities with neuropathy as a symptom.

Also what you say about alcohol is spot on. Moreover, drinking lots of beer can cause dybiosis in the gut, so there's that. I want to set things right in my gut and see what happens.

I've posted elsewhere about this, but I've had lots of blood tests, including ANA, which came back negative. I'll look through Liza Jane's sheets and see what else I can do. I want to test for mold and other toxins, since I suspect something along those lines, but I'm not sure what tests I can get done here in Canada.

I've had the tests for Celiac, but since I haven't had gluten for months, that came back negative. I may never know it's gluten, if it is that. I hear there's some test in the works that requires only 2-3 days of gluten exposure. But there's no way I'm going to eat gluten for months to get tested. I'm having a biopsy in the spring by my GI, but that will come back negative too, given my lack of exposure.

I do have IBS, so there might be something going on in the gut, likely so, made worse by the beer, the yeast and grain, and possibly some toxin or something that has caused infection and systematic inflammation.

Amyloidosis is also a possibility. I do have relatively low B12, but not deficient according to conventional standards. My D was quite low though. Anyway ideas and suggestions are certainly welcome, and thanks again.



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--given the immune function of the gut, dysregulation there might lead to autoimmunities with neuropathy as a symptom.

And, alcohol has been implicated in many neuropathies both through direct action and through impacts on nutrition--a lot of heavy drinkers suffer from vitamin deficiencies that themselves may result in neuropathy

Since Liza Jane's testing sheets were brought up, what sort of serological testing have you had? There are tests for numerous autoantibodies, but given the less length dependent and rapid presentation you mention, the obvious investigatory roads include toxins, and gut autoimmunities such as Crohn's anc celiac.
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I do have IBS, so there might be something going on in the gut, likely so, made worse by the beer, the yeast and grain, and possibly some toxin or something that has caused infection and systematic inflammation.

Amyloidosis is also a possibility. I do have relatively low B12, but not deficient according to conventional standards. My D was quite low though. Anyway ideas and suggestions are certainly welcome, and thanks again.
Have you tested for helicobacter pylori ?
Have you tried to reduce the salt intake ?

H pylori can reduce B12 and other nutrients absorption
Sodium increases the activity of H pylori and irritates the gut.
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Thanks, Stillhoping. No, I haven't tested for it but have suspected it in the past. I'll bring it up with my GP when I see her in the new few weeks. I consume lots of salt, good sea salt, and don't feel any worse, so I don't know. My GP did do a parasites and bacteria stool test a few months back, but that tests only for the most common things, and I don't believe HP can be tested that way, if I recall correctly.

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Have you tested for helicobacter pylori ?
Have you tried to reduce the salt intake ?

H pylori can reduce B12 and other nutrients absorption
Sodium increases the activity of H pylori and irritates the gut.
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Thanks, Stillhoping. No, I haven't tested for it but have suspected it in the past. I'll bring it up with my GP when I see her in the new few weeks. I consume lots of salt, good sea salt, and don't feel any worse, so I don't know. My GP did do a parasites and bacteria stool test a few months back, but that tests only for the most common things, and I don't believe HP can be tested that way, if I recall correctly.
I have used the pro-biotic oral sprays. They have helped, i can't stand yogurt (if not sweetened) so its a better bet for me.
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My favourite yogurt is plain, sour yogurt, so just naturally fermented so to speak, and so very high in probiotics. But I don't eat dairy anymore. Now I get my probiotics from sauerkraut, and will soon ferment all sorts of my own veggies. But I've also been meaning to check out Custom Probiotics as I posted here: http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/sh...02#post1190902


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I have used the pro-biotic oral sprays. They have helped, i can't stand yogurt (if not sweetened) so its a better bet for me.
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I consume lots of salt, good sea salt, and don't feel any worse, so I don't know. My GP did do a parasites and bacteria stool test a few months back, but that tests only for the most common things, and I don't believe HP can be tested that way, if I recall correctly.
I started to keep on a healthy nutrition with very low salt intake more than 10 years ago. I tried a few times (before this nutrition, and again recently) a treatment to POTS with high salt intake (2000-3000mg sodium for day).
The salt increased my dryness and caused many gut symptoms, it improved greatly when I stopped the treatment and reduced the salt.
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