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Hi all,

This thread is an offshoot from one below where some posters here recently discussed how antihistamines seemed to help their PN symptoms. I also participate in a dysautonomia forum, where many members have MCAS. I never paid much attention. This is a newly-recognised disease and I had not heard of it.

Yet I thought of it in reference to a member here who wrote of his PN, hives, and GI problems....all typical if MCAS. I then did some more research (sorry I can't upload articles..I'm writing on my reader..Wikipedia is actually a good starting point). Mast cells are produced in our bone marrow and are deployed to fight infection. They can become inappropriately activated, and release histamines and other substances that can be neurotoxic.

Many people with MCAS have POTS or other cardiac dysautonomic symptoms, PN, GI problems, and allergic symptoms, including anaphylaxis. Light bulb moment: my dysautonomia and eventual PN were set off by an extreme reaction to antidepressant medication. I always assumed the meds were somehow neurotoxic (I had neurological symptoms for over a year), but no one could make sense of the fact they ultimately caused both anaphylaxis as well as a hypertensive crisis that nearly killed me. I didn't get it either....until now ...possibly.

Here it is over a year later....and I am basically bedbound with severe dysautonomia...my worst symptom is very labile blood pressure. This week I started a beta blocker (Propanalol) which really helped...but set off allergies. This is another sign of MCAS...very weird reactions to meds.

I just wish to put this out here. Testing is difficult...there are about five docs (primarily hematologists) who do this for a living in the U.S. I live in NYC...no one here! One, Anne Maitland, is no longer taking patients. I then wrote Lawrence Afrin in Minnesota and Cem Akin in Boston. Both had assistants write me back. Both have year-long waits, but each agreed to work with a physician here for testing. Nice guys. My PCP is game.

Treatment involves a variety of histamine blockers and a low-histamine diet (scary...all sorts of things verboten). But I'd do it in a heartbeat if warranted. I do want to be tested first...it's really restrictive...but easy to look up on line.

I'm wondering if anyone here has been diagnosed with MCAS.

I can tell, from the antihistamine thread, that some people here might wish to consider testing. It just would be great if I had an underlying disorder causing SFN with treatment that is not life-threatening!

Sylvie
If you don't mind, are you able to disclose the anti depressant medicine?

Hope you get some answers soon.
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If you don't mind, are you able to disclose the anti depressant medicine?

Hope you get some answers soon.
No problem. I was taking a high dose of Effexor (an SNRI) which became ineffective. Instead of weaning me off first, my doctor added a high dose of Paxil (SSRI). I was also taking Trazadone for sleep. I had Parkinsonism for about 14 months when I had the crisis. I thought it was a variant of serotonin syndrome. Then abrupt withdrawal. This was Thanksgiving 2014.

I was a mess, but recovering.....had to go on sick leave. Dysautonomia hit in March. PN began in May. Positive SFN 11/15. Positive POTS and neurocardiogenic syncope last month (I couldn't figure out why I've been bedbound...that's the reason!) As you can see, testing taking forever.

I'm still a mess.. I'm a professor, and was really grieving about what looks like a necessary early retirement. I'm moving into the "acceptance" mode of my grief stages!

Thanks for your good wishes!
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Sylvie,

What is involved in the testing? Have you considered just trying the antihistamines to see if they work? Many conditions are actually diagnosed by trying treatments for them...ie., like inflammatory neuropathies are sometimes determined by seeing if a course of steroids work? It's not like there is a specific test for inflammatory neuropathy...and the short course of steroids can show immediately whether inflammation is a factor int he neuropathy.

Speaking of bedridden, what have you tried for your dysautonomia? I don't want to detract from the point on your thread (which I think is perfect based upon some members comments and symptoms). I have a long history of dysautonomia (19 years) and might be able to offer you some information to help you get out of bed.

I am one of the many here with strange allergies, but that is also common with any autoimmune disease, due to the direct tie between the immune system and allergies (IgG, IgA, Igm...& most importantly, IgE (for allergies). So I have an interest in where this topic goes and all the good input that will likely get posted.
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There is a free-access PDF which discusses diagnostic criteria and possible treatments for MCAS here; http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0...11)00675-0/pdf.
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There is a free-access PDF which discusses diagnostic criteria and possible treatments for MCAS here; http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0...11)00675-0/pdf.
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I posted a number of things on this thread after Silvie mentioning MCAS. I did lots of research, basically reading all the literature I could find, including the short piece Kiwi provides here.

As I said on there, lots of useful links here (this woman is both an MD and has Celiac+MCAS): http://www.thepatientceliac.com/2014...drome-madness/

Including to this long piece bu Dr. Afrin, which is worth reading:

https://www.novapublishers.com/catal...ducts_id=42603


Sylvie,

Where did you call or write to? I would like to get my GP involved and see if Dr. Afrin is willing to work with her. I have no problem seeing the plausibility of this in my case too.

Thanks for posting this.
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I posted a number of things on this thread after Silvie mentioning MCAS. I did lots of research, basically reading all the literature I could find, including the short piece Kiwi provides here.

As I said on there, lots of useful links here (this woman is both an MD and has Celiac+MCAS): http://www.thepatientceliac.com/2014...drome-madness/

Including to this long piece bu Dr. Afrin, which is worth reading:

https://www.novapublishers.com/catal...ducts_id=42603


Sylvie,

Where did you call or write to? I would like to get my GP involved and see if Dr. Afrin is willing to work with her. I have no problem seeing the plausibility of this in my case too.



Hi David,


Here are some contacts for you: please look up full addresses, for I don't have them ..sorry.

The two I contacted:

Lawrence Afrin
University of Minnesota -Hematology
Afrinl@umm.edu
His assistant is Georgio Walberg
612-625-9604

I wrote Afrin and Walberg wrote me back--stated Afrin read my letter...nice.

Cem Akin
Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston
617-278-0300
(I called and assistant returned call)

Other docs:

Maria C. Castells
Brigham and Womens
Colleague of Akin

Theoharis Theoharides
Also writes with the two above
716-636-6898

And by the way, you know the Afrin article you posted up is on Mastocytosis, a far more serious disorder than MCAS?...I just skimmed it, but will check out page 149. You know you inspired my post...I really hope MCAS is the answer for you. I also had to smile at your sense of ageism (although I get it...how can a big, healthy man complain about obscure, subjective symptoms? ) Yet it ain't easy being a 60-year-old woman who flings around medical jargon. (I'm still working on my patient persona.) I'm so lucky I found a couple of smart, open doctors. My cardiologist is a peach. Yet, I'm still hunting for the elusive smart and empathetic neurologist!

En Bloc,

Speaking of smart....I again have to thank you. Is your neuro/rheumy Julius Birmbaum at Hopkins' Sjogrens center? My rheumatologist suggested I go there, and I know another patient of his from another forum (perhaps it's you....forum aliases are confounding!). My sister is in Baltimore, so it could be an easy stay for me. I'm eager to see if he'll test you ...perhaps I should see him?
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...I look forward to your message (no rush!).

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Hi David,


Here are some contacts for you: please look up full addresses, for I don't have them ..sorry.

The two I contacted:

Lawrence Afrin
University of Minnesota -Hematology
Afrinl@umm.edu
His assistant is Georgio Walberg
612-625-9604

I wrote Afrin and Walberg wrote me back--stated Afrin read my letter...nice.



Cem Akin
Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston
617-278-0300
(I called and assistant returned call)

Other docs:

Maria C. Castells
Brigham and Womens
Colleague of Akin

Theoharis Theoharides
Also writes with the two above
716-636-6898

And by the way, you know the Afrin article you posted up is on Mastocytosis, a far more serious disorder than MCAS?...I just skimmed it, but will check out page 149. You know you inspired my post...I really hope MCAS is the answer for you. I also had to smile at your sense of ageism (although I get it...how can a big, healthy man complain about obscure, subjective symptoms? ) Yet it ain't easy being a 60-year-old woman who flings around medical jargon. (I'm still working on my patient persona.) I'm so lucky I found a couple of smart, open doctors. My cardiologist is a peach. Yet, I'm still hunting for the elusive smart and empathetic neurologist!

En Bloc,

Speaking of smart....I again have to thank you. Is your neuro/rheumy Julius Birmbaum at Hopkins' Sjogrens center? My rheumatologist suggested I go there, and I know another patient of his from another forum (perhaps it's you....forum aliases are confounding!). My sister is in Baltimore, so it could be an easy stay for me. I'm eager to see if he'll test you ...perhaps I should see him?
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...I look forward to your message (no rush!).

Sylvie
YES, my doctor is Julius Birnbaum. I have seen him for the last 8+ years (before he was even at the Sjogren's Clinic)? He is, by far, the best in the nation for neurological manifestations of Sjogren's (or other autoimmune disease). He is the only one in the entire country to be both a rheumy and neuro. If you can get in to see him, then by all means, go for it.

Have you been on the Sjogren's World forum? I have spoken of Dr. Birnbaum many times on that forum...and here. So you may know me from there...my user name there is my real name, Anita.
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Hi Sylvie,

Thank you for this information. I may have found a local specialist who knows Afrin too, so that's good. I'll definitely update this thread when/if I proceed. In all honesty, I want to pursue this path because I want to know the etiology of it all, it's who I am, not because I think it will help cure or heal me. My guess at this point is that I had some sort of infection, whether bacterial, fungal, etc. via the gut that became systematic eventually and has caused autoimmunity. I have no problem believing all sorts of things may have gone wrong in my body and to say that one intermediary mechanism of action was my mast cells going off the rails, so to speak. I want to know and if I can figure it out, I will. Diet is the key here and it is what has made the immense difference for me. I will continue to heal my gut and go from there. But I wish to look into this among other things, and though I may have inspired you to post about MCAS, you inspired or motivated me to look into this. It makes sense. Thanks again.

Also, the article I posted is actually Mastocytosis, well per se, it's about systematic mast cell diseases, and deals quite extensively with MCAS too. One thing that may have to be done for anyone who has issues indicating MCAS, especially after preliminary blood tests and depending on what they indicate, is testing for Mastocytosis. Regardless, if you read on, the meeting concerns primarily MCAS.

I would say it's as bad as it gets for women, given sexism, and older women due to sexism and ageism, for sure. But I can't tell you the number of times physicians will not look into things or take me seriously despite my complaints and when I've already been diagnoses with SFN and other problems with unknown etiology, because I'm young and I "look good", whatever the hell that means. But I can hold my own, and no doubt it's definitely easier for a young male, who doesn't have to deal with sexism and ageism.

Thanks again for your kind words and the information. And good luck on finding competent and empathetic physicians. They exist here and there...


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Here are some contacts for you: please look up full addresses, for I don't have them ..sorry.

The two I contacted:

Lawrence Afrin
University of Minnesota -Hematology
Afrinl@umm.edu
His assistant is Georgio Walberg
612-625-9604

I wrote Afrin and Walberg wrote me back--stated Afrin read my letter...nice.

Cem Akin
Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston
617-278-0300
(I called and assistant returned call)

Other docs:

Maria C. Castells
Brigham and Womens
Colleague of Akin

Theoharis Theoharides
Also writes with the two above
716-636-6898

And by the way, you know the Afrin article you posted up is on Mastocytosis, a far more serious disorder than MCAS?...I just skimmed it, but will check out page 149. You know you inspired my post...I really hope MCAS is the answer for you. I also had to smile at your sense of ageism (although I get it...how can a big, healthy man complain about obscure, subjective symptoms? ) Yet it ain't easy being a 60-year-old woman who flings around medical jargon. (I'm still working on my patient persona.) I'm so lucky I found a couple of smart, open doctors. My cardiologist is a peach. Yet, I'm still hunting for the elusive smart and empathetic neurologist!

En Bloc,

Speaking of smart....I again have to thank you. Is your neuro/rheumy Julius Birmbaum at Hopkins' Sjogrens center? My rheumatologist suggested I go there, and I know another patient of his from another forum (perhaps it's you....forum aliases are confounding!). My sister is in Baltimore, so it could be an easy stay for me. I'm eager to see if he'll test you ...perhaps I should see him?
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Sylvie,

What is involved in the testing? Have you considered just trying the antihistamines to see if they work? Many conditions are actually diagnosed by trying treatments for them...ie., like inflammatory neuropathies are sometimes determined by seeing if a course of steroids work? It's not like there is a specific test for inflammatory neuropathy...and the short course of steroids can show immediately whether inflammation is a factor int he neuropathy.

Speaking of bedridden, what have you tried for your dysautonomia? I don't want to detract from the point on your thread (which I think is perfect based upon some members comments and symptoms). I have a long history of dysautonomia (19 years) and might be able to offer you some information to help you get out of bed.

I am one of the many here with strange allergies, but that is also common with any autoimmune disease, due to the direct tie between the immune system and allergies (IgG, IgA, Igm...& most importantly, IgE (for allergies). So I have an interest in where this topic goes and all the good input that will likely get posted.
Hi En Bloc,

Thank you so much for your interest....your posts are always so intelligent, informed and interesting......based on your history, I was wondering if you had been tested for MCAS.

Testing:...tryptase levels (sometimes normal with disorder); histamine, prostaglandins, and leukotrienes in an iced, 24-hour urine sample; sometimes a bone marrow sample.

Antihistamines:
I'm hesitant to try antihistamines because they tend to act antithetically and make me hyper ....yes Benadryl keeps me awake (although they do help my allergy symptoms). I would just like to know if I have MCAS before taking anything. I have so much trouble sleeping anyway (I'm sure you can relate).

Bed:
I am extremely uncomfortable standing and even sitting with my head unsupported. I do have a body worker/yoga teacher coming 3x/wk. She's great. I also push myself outside as much as possible. I never feel "normal." (I was very high-energy and athletic before all this). I thought it was simple fatigue....neuros concurred.

So I had my first tilt table test two weeks ago. My BP dropped from 149/90 to 80/60 before I was vertical. I began passing out and they stopped the test. I had no idea my BP is so labile.....this is why it is so hard to stand/walk. I also have POTS. I can't believe my neurologists were not on to this. (I found my own cardiologist...he thinks the cardio stuff is "severe," and found other heart issues as well.) I had a nuclear stress test last week and I'm waiting for results...I'll be going in Tuesday.

I would be very open to your suggestions and would love to confer....how do we PM on this site?

By the way, I had three panels of testing for autoimmune disease and nothing!

Again, thanks so much!

Sylvie
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