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Old 10-29-2018, 07:20 PM #61
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Hi David,

I'm not sure what else I can say that will be helpful in addition to what I've already said, but I can try.

Nick is not an expert on this stuff. He knows somethings like others, but he's a business man. He is likely not lying about all this, and I suspect he's not given my familiarity with him, so perhaps none of his customers have reported such side effects to him. But you can just go on the CBD subReddit and see how there are a fair number of people who report headaches and others side effects, especially when it comes to full spectrum oils. There you'll also see how there is a sizable minority who cannot tolerate full spectrum products.

It may not be the THC, or even other cannabinoids, or even the many terpenes, but some combination of them and only when interacting with you in particular. There's no way for Nick to know all this. Such things are immensely complex and there is little research on it and the endocannabinoid system. You should listen to your body in such situations and experiment as much as you can, controlling as many variables as possible. This is what I do with anything new that I introduce.

My advice remains the same to try lower doses that are spread out throughout the day, to try isolate rather than full spectrum, to try other full spectrum strains/products from other companies, and to give it some time. It took me months before I fully figured out what works for me, and I had to throw out somethings or give them away because I couldn't tolerate them. And I know now that I do not tolerate full spectrum but do great on isolate. But even now I can't say I can't tolerate all full spectrum strains, since I've only tried a few. I may even try more in the future, but I'm happy with the effectiveness of isolate for now.

I hope this helps and that you experiment more and that things improve for you!

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Well, it is several days since my last message just above, and I tried taking a single "Fully-Activated" brand 30 mg CBD capsule again this afternoon.

Unfortunately, within 30 minutes I had an aching head again!

CBD sounds promising, but in my case at least my trial was anything but!

I will be sending Nick at "Fully Activated" a message Thursday, offering to return my essentially-unused capsules for a full refund of the $145.00 I paid.

If he resists, then I will simply request a charge-back on my credit card.

I am really sorry that this did not work, and also somewhat surprised when he told me the other day on the phone that he has never heard of even one of their customers getting a headache when using CBD.

Well, then I must be that one customer.

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David,

I'm sorry you got a headache again. It's unfortunate.

I'm not sure what they return policy is but you can ask them. I'm not sure many companies will accept returns and provide refunds on used products. I've never tried this myself. But you can ask Fully Activated about that.

Of course it's up to you, but my position has been the same all along that if you want to know whether CBD works for you, it will require trying more than one product, given the vast differences from plant to plant and so from one full spectrum product to another, which is a product that has much more than CBD in it. In the majority of CBD studies they use CBD isolate as you would any medication, since that's the only way you can isolate the relevant variable.

Whatever you decide, I hope you continue to experience improvement with your condition!



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Well, it is several days since my last message just above, and I tried taking a single "Fully-Activated" brand 30 mg CBD capsule again this afternoon.

Unfortunately, within 30 minutes I had an aching head again!

CBD sounds promising, but in my case at least my trial was anything but!

I will be sending Nick at "Fully Activated" a message Thursday, offering to return my essentially-unused capsules for a full refund of the $145.00 I paid.

If he resists, then I will simply request a charge-back on my credit card.

I am really sorry that this did not work, and also somewhat surprised when he told me the other day on the phone that he has never heard of even one of their customers getting a headache when using CBD.

Well, then I must be that one customer.

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Old 11-01-2018, 10:27 AM #64
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Thanks for your reply, David.

Well, on the one hand Nick states that he has never had a report of anyone being hurt (literally in my case) by their product. If that is the case and I was, then I must have received a bad batch of it.

Logically, there is no other option, and I can assure you that I will be receving a refund either as a credit back to my account, or a charge-back to my card.

Thanks again for your insights, David!
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Just a quick update to say that Nick at "Fully Activated' stood behind his product and issued a refund!
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David:

Hi. My husband has had idiopathic peripheral neuropathy for 30 years. We live in NYC and he received his medical marijuana card last week. Alas we can't afford the product. He does however use the CBD Oil. We got the gummy bears. 250 strength. He said "I need the 500". So tomorrow I will go to the Vape Store and get the bag of gummies (or should I get tincture)? He is also on Tramadol but we would like to have him get off drugs. That would be a blessing but until we find the correct kind of cbd oil, well Tramadol is a godsend.

What do you think? Should I purchase the gummies, or the tincture. What happens when one uses the 500? Does it relax you? I have muscle spasms and the only thing that helps is Theraworx. Now that product is a miracle.

Your input is most welcome, believe me. Thank you in advance

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Hi all, long time, no visit.
I was just researching this subject the other day. One time I read the owner of Charlottes Web, the famous marijuana strain that helped the little girl with seizures (made all the news), say that cbd alone really didn't achieve much and it needed thc for benefits. I can't find the quote anywhere.

I'm glad some here are finding relief from CBD. I need to look into it again. I use Thc dominant marijuana every night for pain and sleeping, but would like some relief during the day. I'm on Lyrica, which actually seems to help, but it leaves me groggy and kind of dumb, if you know what I mean.

I have to admit that the wide-spread sales and marketing of CBD lately has me put-off. Almost a fad-like vibe to it, with claims that it helps with just about anything that you might suffer with. I wish they would do proper testing for everyone and sort out the real from the fables. Until then, I'll keep an eye on this thread and see how others are doing on it.
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Hi David and everybody. I have been reading with interest all the posts about cbd and salves and creams. Yesterday I went to the Vape Store around the corner from my home. I purchased the CBD tincture 500 for $40.00. Last night I took 4 drops and slept for 4 hours. I awoke at 2:30 and took 3 more. Should have taken another 4 or even 5. I watched videos before bedtime on dosing and cbd and it seems that less is a stimulant and more is a sleep agent.
Also, I'm reading about the health benefits of the salve for peripheral neuropathy so we did an experiment. I had no salve but because I had the tincture, I put some drops between Alan's toes (bad neuropathy). Well, it's been two hours and no pain. Can't believe it.

I'm going back today (just to do research and see what they have). l believe, if this product does what it's supposed to do, maybe, just maybe, it might relieve, not only his neuropathy but other auto immune issues as well. Like his full blown psoriasis. Nothing to lose and it seems to be helping his neuropathy so that alone is a miracle because nothing works. He's had PN for over 30 years and no one knows why. Personally I believe that when he was 32 he got a fever of unknown origin and the doctors said it was some kind of virus. I believe it was Epstein Barre. It wreaks havoc in the body for years. It got activated and for 30 or so years my husband has had such pain and his health has declined.

Never knew about cbd oil. What is it some big secret in the health industry. They push pills and drugs but not this which actually helps people.

And for myself, I am taking it every day. Two drops in the daytime and 5 drops at night. Starting today. I want to help my eye (that had the stroke) and I want to protect my good eye. What the heck do I have to lose?

So if anyone cares to share info I'd love a response.

Thanks much

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Hi all,

I haven't been on here checking much for a while. I just saw the posts.


Apollo/David, good things worked out for you on getting your refund.


Melody, it's great that you've found CBD to be so helpful. I'm not surprised. CBD or cannabis salve as a whole does wonders for me and many others I know, including people on here. You should definitely try some quality salve. I use the one from Fully Activated and it works great. I know at least two other people on here get great relief from it. Obviously putting some of the tincture oil on your skin can help too.

You asked about tincture vs gummies/candy I think. The former is much better in terms of bioavailability and immediate impact as it makes its way immediately to the blood stream when administered in sublingual method. You can ingest CBD if you like and it will have benefits, even perhaps benefits for the gut that tincture straight to the blood stream won't, I don't know given the lack of research, but much less will get to you that way, about half the amount in terms of bioavailability. So sublingual use is more cost effective.

I would just make sure it's 3rd party lab tested for potency and residual solvents. This is really important. Online retailers are the best and by far the most affordable, and there are many of them.

I'm not sure if I answered all your questions, but I'll check this thread more regularly now if you have more questions.


surfer00, CBD or cannabis as a whole tends to have that reputation because it works centrally on the body as well as in various areas. What I mean is that it systematically reduces inflammation that effects all aspects of the body, so stress, anxiety, skin conditions, blood pressure and so on. But you're right that studies, not just anecdotal reports, show that cannabinoids (and even terpenes) together can be more effective than just single cannabinoids, at least for some people and conditions. THC itself definitely has medicinal benefits. Most hemp derived CBD will also have some amounts of THC and other cannabinoids as well as other phytocannabinoids. Lab tests for potency should reveal this. I use some THC some nights when the insomnia is bad and use CBD isolate during the day.
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David:
Last night I did six drops under the tongue and it did really nothing. But it helped the night before. I really don't understand this cbd thing. And the cream I bought (the small little jar), was $60 but I paid $40. I would never buy such a small jar again. Sure, it works on my bad arthritic hand but it doesn't last. Does the Fully Activated Salve work better?

Thanks David
P.S. I don't know how people are able to afford medical marijuana. It's so expensive. Someone told me that the powers that be are trying to pass a bill that would make insurance companies pay for medical marijuana. Do you think this will happen?
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