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From Medical News Today ( http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/ ). It is a press release from the big-pharm company Cephalon
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think that ingesting Fentanyl might be a good way for some. But a phase 3 clinical trial of less than 150 people? And for only 12 weeks - those are my concerns.
That it has not gotten FDA approval yet, even only a very small clinical trial is encouraging because of the aspects mentioned above and that it could be an effective way to help people. But, the 'documentation' for neurontin for PN [actually far less by way of clinical work] when it was pushed 5 years ago, was not only poor it was inexcusable and docs bought it. I certainly wish that the 90%of the medications and treatments we are helped by get OFF the 'off-label' use menus in our lifetimes. The good thing is that they've gotten beyond the MOUSE MODEL stages tho? David, I hope you have a whole lot more pain-free times and continue to improve! Good thoughts to you always - j |
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Thanks for the kind words. Modern medicine is as unscientific as it is scientific. Drug trials are for short periods, "bad" results are not included, and the real-life norm of people taking many different drugs would disqualify them as trial subjects. Also, the very ill, people with weak kidneys, damaged livers, the very old are excluded. Instead of independent testing, we have drug companies running their own trials, or paying others to do testing for them. The conflict of interest is blatant. We need to be careful and responsible for ourselves, question doctors (respectfully) to understand why that particular drug is prescribed and expected side effects. I'm not at all advocating the use of any medication, but for people at the end of their rope, this is another alternative.
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Thanks for the info. Wing.
I am about ready to try the Duragesic patch 12mcg. But remember...I have spinal disorders too. My spinal PM thought that this would be a good way to go since I cannot tolerate a lot of meds. Anyway, I did question him about it thoroughly. The insert is enough to scare the heck out of anyone. But he told me that the 12mcg is pretty much equivalent to two Vicodin a day. Which is fine with me since it seems I have always either taken Norco or Vicodin...one to two a day...never any more than that. For me, the opiates help with the neuropathic pain and/or PN. It is the anti-convulsant types that really mess me up and increase burning...Neurontin being one of them. Lyrica caused major muscle pain and Depakote just sent me into a tizzy. And Elavil and Cymbalta just made me sicker than a dog. I do take Klonopin .5 once a day and it has helped considerably. I know, I know...it is benzo. But I had a list once of every med I have ever tried. And the only combination that made me functional again was Vicodin and Klonopin. I DID try supplements once and I will say since I wasn't deficient in anything they didn't do a thing. Again, my PN is more of a spinal thing and believe me, when you have osteo compressing nerve roots no amount of supplements will fix that! So, I DO have to combat it with meds and/or injections. Anyway, I am going to wait for cooler temps before I try this patch. If it works well, I will post back. I have talked to a lot of people who just swear by it. But it all remains to be seen. |
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What makes Fentanyl better than other opioids? For breath-thru pain that requires an opiate, there's quick acting Oxycodone IR, cheap and off patent.
I can't see why you cant' put it under your tongue if you want; afterall, you could crush it and sniff it if you were so inclined.
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I honestly don't know what would make a fentanyl pill better than another opioid. The patch delivery system is generally better than oral drugs as it keeps the level constant and this means you usually can get by on a lower overall dose. It's true that drugs are not tested well. You know, everyone is always so afraid of narcotics, but they have been around for centuries and at least we know what they do. But drugs like Neurontin and Lyrica.... we have no idea what the long term effects are. I do take Lyrica in addition to the fentanyl patch because I haven't found another way to get tolerable relief. But I'm not happy about it. I'm getting ready to make an all out effort to loose weight and see if I can't tolerate some exercise of some sort -- I'm going to try water aerobics again and maybe Yoga.
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Dakota,
You are right and I was speaking of the patch too...not the pill. The way it was explained to me is that it would be a steady and consistent dose without the peaks and valleys from taking other forms of opoids. AND...I was told IF there was breakthrough pain I could still take a Vicodin. The dose my PM prescribed was 12mcg...a newer patch...not the standard 25mcg. Not only that but there are so many different forms of neuropathic pain that one type of med may or may not work or even touch the pain. I know Neurontin did nothing for my cervicogenic headaches and actually made me worse along with increasing burning sensations. If I can help it at all, I will NEVER go back to Neurontin or Lyrica. I went that route for 3 years and it was awful! I can't tolerate the AD's either...been there and done that too. So, when my spinal PM mentioned the Duragesic patch, I am willing to give it a try. I just want to wait until the cooler months when I do. But as far as I understand it, you have to be opoid tolerant. I questioned this because I do NOT take more than one Vicodin a day...sometimes maybe two when the pain is bad. But my PM assured me that I have been on it long enough even though I don't take a lot. And the nice thing about the patch is that it goes directly into the bloodstream and bypasses the liver. It would be really nice if this worked for me and I could pitch the Vicodin and eventually taper off the Klonopin. I have talked with a lot of people at the other "site" and from what they have said...the patch gave them a great deal of relief. But again, it remains to be seen. |
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