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Old 12-21-2007, 03:29 PM #11
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mrsd - re your 6th & 7th paragraph above. I couldn't agree more and the why for all this is....GREED and greed may well be the downfall of our country.
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Aloneouthere and Marlene, I have no quarrel with your opinions. Here's the situation where I live and why I am so quick to advise people to be cautious: I live in a county that is extremely heteogeneous with immigrants from all over the world. In strip shopping centers all over the place you can find little storefronts with signs out saying things like:Chinese Herbal Remedies, or Holistic Health and Herbs. Inside there is a Chinese lady or someone from India or somewhere who will listen to your symptoms and then mix up a bag of various herbs and twigs out of an assortment of bins and tell you to go home and make a tea out of it to drink, or pull a crudely labled bottle of something off a shelf for you to take home for a "homeopathic" cure. They are diagnosing and prescribing with no credentials of any sort, although they will often offer that they were doctors in their home country. This leaves a lot of area open for abuse and dangerous situations. Very different from what you describe, Marlene, or what might be going on in another country that has it's own credentialling. Of course, I think we should all be careful about taking Western type drugs, too. Many doctors are quick to prescribe unnecessary or potentially harmful drugs. Good food, nutrition and exercise will fix a lot!
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Susan,

I did not see your post as a quarrel...I know you were just making sure that we take these concerns into consideration when it comes to alternative treatments. I think you have to strike a personal balance and listen to your gut. We recently stopped working with a Internist who's highly credentialed because "something" was not right. Money and his own agenda took priority. So that radar needs to be working and listened to because there's a lot of abuse and incompetence within our medical system. But after saying that, we have had some wonderful doctors who have helped us through some pretty tough times.

I live in Virginia which requires liscensing for Acupunturist. I would think Georgia does too. Word of mouth is helpful when looking for Alternative medicine practitioners.

Mrs D.....Very scary stuff on the E.coli. One would think basil could not be easily contaminated. Its essential oil is highly antibacterial.

And Dan....I agree....greed seems to be a guiding force by many.

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Georgia might have licensing for acupuncture, I'm not sure. But what is required by law and what actually happens....... I love living amongst people from lots of different cultures -- but they aren't always used to following regulations and laws. Mrs. D, that is very scary about drugs being deliberatly added to herbs. When you had mentioned contaminents before I thought you just meant bacteria and industrial contaminents.
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Red face I have heard all kinds of things about Chinese medicine.

I had a customer once whose son (in his early 30's) was going blind. Some deterioration of the retina. He went everywhere here, even to the Kresge Eye Institute which was the top of the line then.

NOthing.
Then he met a man online from California, who claimed he could help. So the son flew out there and it turned out this was a Chinese doctor. He gave him treatment Chinese style, and this fellow's vision was saved. It then turned out that this guy emmigrated to China and trained and became a Chinese doctor himself. Now this Dad could not give me many details, but it was a pretty
interesting story.

So there will always be mixed impressions and experiences to share.
The contamination of the herbs exported is alarming because the drugs found in them are very strong. So that when given, there would be a big response.
One third found in that California testing, seems like a very high number to me.
And as time has passed, and more contaminated/poisoned things are coming out of China just this year, I just am very wary now.
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Arrow Viagra found in Chinese herbs.

new article today:
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By The Associated Press 2 hours, 14 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Dietary supplements marketed to provide male sexual enhancement contain undeclared erectile dysfunction drugs putting users at risk, the Food and Drug Administration warned Friday.
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The agency advised consumers to stay away from Shangai Chaojimengnan supplements sold under the names Super Shangai, Strong Testis, Shangai Ultra, Shangai Ultra X, Lady Shangai and Shangai Regular. The Chinese-made supplements are packaged and distributed by Shangai Distributor Inc. of Puerto Rico.

Product testing indicates that some of these so-called supplements contain Viagra's active ingredient, sildenafil, or a compound with a chemical structure that mimics sildenafil.

These chemicals could interact with nitrates in drugs taken for disorders commonly associated with erectile dysfunction, including diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol and heart disease. The result could dangerously lower a user's blood pressure, according to the FDA.

The agency also warned that the safety and purity of these illegal ingredients is unknown.
from http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071229/...lement_warning
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Hah! I saw this in the newspaper today and thought of YOU, Mrs. D!!! You were right on the money!
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Unhappy I have been researching

Red Yeast Rice for someone, and ran across this:

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Here are some of the latest health and medical news developments, compiled by editors of HealthDay:

FDA Warns of Red Yeast Rice Products Sold to Control Cholesterol

Consumers should not buy or eat three red yeast rice products promoted and sold on Web sites as dietary supplements for treating high cholesterol. The products may contain an unauthorized drug that could cause muscle weakness, leading to kidney damage, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration said Thursday.

The products are Red Yeast Rice and Red Yeast Rice/Policosonal Complex, sold by Swanson Healthcare Products Inc., and manufactured by Nature's Value Inc. and Kabco Inc., respectively; and Cholestrix, sold by Sunburst Biorganics. FDA testing revealed that the products contain lovastatin, the active ingredient in Mevacor, a prescription drug approved for treating high cholesterol, the FDA said in a prepared statement.

"This risk is even more serious because consumers may not know the side effects associated with lovastatin and the fact that it can adversely interact with other medications," said Dr. Steven Galson, director of the FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research.

The FDA said it has sent warning letters to Swanson and Sunburst Biorganics, asking them to stop selling the products. The letters state that the products, sold on the firms' Web sites, are unapproved drugs that are marketed in violation of the federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.

The FDA is advising consumers to consult their doctor if they experience problems that may be due to the products. The agency also asks consumers to report problems with the products to MedWatch, the FDA's voluntary reporting program: www.fda.gov/medwatch/report.htm; 800-332-1088; Fax: 800-332-0178; and MedWatch, Food and Drug Administration, 5600 Fishers Lane, Rockville, Md., 20852-9787.
from http://www.healthfinder.gov/news/new...p?docID=607200

The AARP recently ran an article by Dr. Weil about using red yeast rice instead of statins. Well, guess what? This supposedly safe product is being adulterated in China with a REAL POTENT statin, lovastatin (Mevacor).
So we have to add this to the list above I provided.

If you choose to use Red Yeast Rice, there is a product made in USA that claims it is not Chinese--Doctor's Best. Says made in USA on it. I hope that means what it implies. The active ingredients in red yeast rice are chemically similar to statins, so the statin warnings still apply IMO.
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