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mrsD · 01-22-2008, 11:09 AM

to later developing diseases.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080122/...food_poisoning
It appeared in our Health News forum this morning:

I am copying the text here because these items typically go offline quickly..

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Food poisoning can be long-term problem

By LAURAN NEERGAARD, AP Medical Writer 40 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - It's a dirty little secret of food poisoning: E. coli and certain other foodborne illnesses can sometimes trigger serious health problems months or years after patients survived that initial bout.
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Scientists only now are unraveling a legacy that has largely gone unnoticed.

What they've spotted so far is troubling. In interviews with The Associated Press, they described high blood pressure, kidney damage, even full kidney failure striking 10 to 20 years later in people who survived severe E. coli infection as children, arthritis after a bout of salmonella or shigella, and a mysterious paralysis that can attack people who just had mild symptoms of campylobacter.

"Folks often assume once you're over the acute illness, that's it, you're back to normal and that's the end of it," said Dr. Robert Tauxe of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The long-term consequences are "an important but relatively poorly documented, poorly studied area of foodborne illness."

These late effects are believed to make up a very small fraction of the nation's 76 million annual food poisonings, although no one knows just how many people are at risk. A bigger question is what other illnesses have yet to be scientifically linked to food poisoning.

And with a rash of food recalls — including more than 30 million pounds of ground beef pulled off the market last year alone — these are questions are taking on new urgency.

"We're drastically underestimating the burden on society that foodborne illnesses represent," contends Donna Rosenbaum of the consumer advocacy group STOP, Safe Tables Our Priority.

Every week, her group hears from patients with health complaints that they suspect or have been told are related to food poisoning years earlier, like a woman who survived severe E. coli at 8 only to have her colon removed in her 20s. Or people who develop diabetes after food poisoning inflamed the pancreas. Or parents who wonder if a child's learning problems stem from food poisoning-caused dialysis as a toddler.

"There's nobody to refer them to for an answer," says Rosenbaum.

So STOP this month is beginning the first national registry of food-poisoning survivors with long-term health problems — people willing to share their medical histories with scientists in hopes of boosting much-needed research.

Consider Alyssa Chrobuck of Seattle, who at age 5 was hospitalized as part of the Jack-in-the-Box hamburger outbreak that 15 years ago this month made a deadly E. coli strain notorious.

She's now a successful college student but ticks off a list of health problems unusual for a 20-year-old: High blood pressure, recurring hospitalizations for colon inflammation, a hiatal hernia, thyroid removal, endometriosis.

"I can't eat fatty foods. I can't eat things that are fried, never been able to eat ice cream or milkshakes," says Chrobuck. "Would I have this many medical problems if I hadn't had the E. coli? Definitely not. But there's no way to tie it definitely back."

The CDC says foodborne illnesses cause 325,000 hospitalizations and 5,000 deaths a year. Among survivors, some long-term consequences are obvious from the outset. Some required kidney transplants. They may have scarred intestines that promise lasting digestive difficulty.

But when people appear to recover, it is difficult to prove that later problems really are a food-poisoning legacy and not some unfortunate coincidence. It may be that people prone to certain gastrointestinal conditions, for instance, also are genetically more vulnerable to germs that cause foodborne illness.

For now, some of the best evidence comes from the University of Utah, which has long tracked children with E. coli. About 10 percent of E. coli sufferers develop a life-threatening complication called hemolytic uremic syndrome, or HUS, where their kidneys and other organs fail.

Ten to 20 years after they recover, between 30 percent and half of HUS survivors will have some kidney-caused problem, says Dr. Andrew Pavia, the university's pediatric infectious diseases chief. That includes high blood pressure caused by scarred kidneys, slowly failing kidneys, even end-stage kidney failure that requires dialysis.

"I don't want to leave the message that everyone who had symptoms ... is in trouble," stresses Pavia.

Miserable as E. coli is, it doesn't seem to trigger long-term problems unless it started shutting down the kidneys the first time around, he says. "People with uncomplicated diarrhea, by and large we don't have evidence yet that they have complications."

Other proven long-term consequences:

_About 1 in 1,000 sufferers of campylobacter, a diarrhea-causing infection spread by raw poultry, develop far more serious Guillain-Barre syndrome a month or so later. Their body attacks their nerves, causing paralysis that usually requires intensive care and a ventilator to breathe. About a third of the nation's Guillain-Barre cases have been linked to previous campylobacter, even if the diarrhea was very mild, and they typically suffer a more severe case than patients who never had food poisoning.

While they eventually recover, "We don't know a great deal about what happens to those people five years later. What does 'normal' look like?" Tauxe says.

_A small number of people develop what's called reactive arthritis six months or longer after a bout of salmonella. It causes joint pain, eye inflammation, sometimes painful urination, and can lead to chronic arthritis. Certain strains of shigella and yersinia bacteria, far more common abroad than in the U.S., trigger this reactive arthritis, too, Tauxe says.

What about other patient complaints?

A variety of other organ problems might be triggered by HUS, that severe E. coli — because it causes blood clots all over the body that could leave a trail of damage, says Utah's Pavia. Among his hottest questions: HUS patients often suffer pancreatitis. Does that increase risk for diabetes later in life?

But proving a connection will require tracking a lot of patients who can provide very good medical records documenting their initial foodborne illness, he cautions.

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EDITOR's NOTE — Lauran Neergaard covers health and medical issues for The Associated Press in Washington.

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I will add that for myself, I developed hypertension right after a very toxic systemic Staph infection from a black fly bite when I was in my early 30's. And also my arthritis. My doctor has always thought both were connected to the infection which was severe (I had to go to a hospital in Maine--we were on vacation).

There are biologists today who believe almost all human disease is vector borne, or results after an infection.

MelodyL · 01-22-2008, 12:30 PM

Hi Mrs. D.

Funny that you should post this topic because last night I watched a video in which a Dr. Lorraine Day talked for over 2 hours on why we have diseases (she attributes her findings to ALL DISEASES. She said it's our immune system. And what we put into our bodies, well that's exactly what affects our immune system. You should see what she says about red meat,eggs milk and chicken and cheese.

Thankfully Alan and I haven't eat many of these things for years. I never knew about chicken though.

She says that when they first clean a chicken they take out the innards (using some kind of a machine, conveyer belt thing), and then they drop the chicken into these vat of water where the chicken is allowed to sit for a long time, (with all the other chickens). She then said 'do you know what they call this vat of water?? They call it FECAL SOUP. Because it's all the feces, etc.

I watched the first half of this 2 hour video last night. And when she started saying exactly what an egg is: She said 'do you have any idea that an egg is a chicken embryo with the placenta??"

I'll probably never look at another egg again. And forget about what eating red meat does to our stomachs. I have never heard such detailed information about our digestive systems and how it plays a role in our total health.

I haven't gotten to the foods we are supposed to eat yet. I gather that Steel Rolled Oatmeal is for breakfast, on her food list.

She's a big proponent of live foots. It's all about the enzymes. I have heard this from the juiceman, on tv and from JackLanne. I have his power juicer.

Guess who is buying fresh fruits and veggies today.

I eat like this anyway but now Alan (he saw the video before i did), he marched into the living room and said 'we aren't going to Dunkin Donuts anymore". I said to myself "oh god, what did he see on the internet this time?"

But, when I watched it and I heard this doctor say: 'If you are going to build a high rise apartment complex, what do you want to build it with, concrete and steel, or do you use Bamboo and strings".

Her point was "what we put into our bodies, well this is stuff that makes our bodies last a lifetimes. She doesn't believe in any prescriptions, but she does say 'do not stop except under your doctor's guidelines.

Her whole thing is "if you eat right, reduce stress, and never eat cheese or milk products, AND ESPECIALLY NUTRASWEET, ASPERTAME AND SACCHARINE, and if you eat raw things, you'll actually heal your body.

Hey, I'm game for anything.

I gave up red meat, veal, pork (I dont' drink milk anyway) a long time ago.

Oh, do you know what she says about hamburger? She says: The meat packing industry classifies all hamburger meat as coming from 4D's.

What is 4Ds?? Diseased, disabled, dead (cant' remember the 4th D thing). Good Lord!!!

Oh, she is a big anti caffeine person. She says it's a stimulant and it gives you false energy.

I only have one medium cup of coffee in the a.m.

Right now I'm going to view the last half of this video.

If anyone wants a link, just pm me and I'll gladly share.

But be advised. If you can't make a major change in what you eat and drink, then don't even watch it. You'll waste your time.

You can't eat any sugar, any dairy, any artificial sweetners. Nothing cooked, (I gather you can eat organic chicken), but i haven't gotten to what is allowed yet. That's the second part of the video which I'm going to watch in 5 minutes.

It seems they load up the meat and chicken with antibiotics and these animals have cancer and before it comes to market, the butcher simply cuts off the cancerous tumors and puts the rest of the meat back in the vat. But she explained that the blood supply is still in the food.

Now I have no idea if there is anything to what she says. But it does make sense to me.

So Alan and I are going to do her way of eating for a while. It really is only a bit of a change in the way I eat. But it's a major change for Alan, no more sugar for him.

He thinks "this will halt my neuropathy".

Hey, we'll give it a try. Dr. Day says this will cure all ills and people can even get off their high blood pressure meds. She has a chart of all heart diseases and she made one very good point.

She said "when you have a headache, what do you do?? You take an aspirin right??" She said 'now did you get the headache because you suffer from LACK OF ASPIRIN??" Of course not!!! She went on to says that pills and drugs just take care of symptoms and doctors are not trained to do anything but give you pills and drugs.

Will update. If I lose any weight eating this way, I'll make a video and put it on youtube. And if this makes any changes in his neuropathy, then Alan will most definitely sing!!

lol

Melody

QUOTE=mrsd;192191]to later developing diseases.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080122/...food_poisoning
It appeared in our Health News forum this morning:

I am copying the text here because these items typically go offline quickly..

I will add that for myself, I developed hypertension right after a very toxic systemic Staph infection from a black fly bite when I was in my early 30's. And also my arthritis. My doctor has always thought both were connected to the infection which was severe (I had to go to a hospital in Maine--we were on vacation).

There are biologists today who believe almost all human disease is vector borne, or results after an infection.[/QUOTE]

mrsD · 01-22-2008, 02:34 PM

Please be careful making sudden changes to your diet, while you are on
a certain dose of insulin. Any radical changes may change your needs.

Also I will point out that Dr. Day has her critics who do not believe she is
telling the truth about her previous cancer and recovery. The internet is full of charismatic types, so do be careful.

MelodyL · 01-22-2008, 03:20 PM

Don't worry about me. The only actual change I'll be making is just changing where I buy the chicken. I will buy organic chicken.

But for 5 years or so, I've been eating sprouts, fresh Romaine, fresh tomatoes, (all the good stuff in the produce aisle). I wash them very carefully to get rid of whatever is on them. I also shop organic whenever I'm able.

Now Alan, he's the one with the coffee roll every morning.

But this is only in the a.m.

You see, I started to eat very differently after (we both did by the way), after we went to the nutritionist.

We gave up red meat, veal, we started to eat fish (small ones). I don't eat after 7 p.m. (and I did check on this with the guys at Cornell).

Some people (diabetics I mean) can't do what I do. They have to eat a certain way, they have to eat at night. But the ones I know that have to eat like this are the Type 1 diabetics.

I became type 2 due to being obese. I am extremely gratified to say that I am no longer obese. Maybe i have 20 or so lbs to lose. But I'm very tall and big boned. I used to wear a size 24 and a half dress (when I was 35 years old).

I am now a size 12. Just fine for me. I can actually look good in a skirt and top (that, to me, is a bonus).

I ate all that crap all of my life. I self medicated with food.

Thankfully, my brain kicked in and I no longer have the need to do that.

But I really never knew about the milk, the eggs, the cheese, the hamburgers, etc. My thing was chips, dips and hostess ho ho's.

I can only be thankful I don't have cholesterol problems.

But everytime I think of Alan eating raw foods and sprouts I have to chuckle.

He just came home with two free samples of something from GNC. Some kind of Raw Organic Food Bar. Everything in it is organic, no added preservatives, etc. I tasted a bit. Not my cup of tea. I'd rather have a salad.

But Alan can do this.

So if eating this way (hey, I don't expect miracles) but in 4 to 6 months, if I see a change in my arthritic joints, etc. hey, I'll do this for the rest of my life. It's a no brainer.

To me, if eating good equals less pain. I'm all for it. I don't have to think twice about this.

And if this doctor person had to fib about her cancer thing (I haven't checked into this yet), I couldn't give a fig. To me, it makes sense to keep the crap of one's body and to put good, organic, live enzyme stuff into it.

Too bad I didn't have my brain 30 years ago.

I would have been a 60 year old Raquel Welch.

lol

Melody
P.S. My sugar is doing fine. The people at Cornell actually think that someday I can go off insulin. Now wouldn't that be amazing??

I used to take Lantus, plus 4 oral pills. And before the Lantus, I was on 8 oral pills a day. UGH!!!

When they started me on the Lantus(in addition to the 4 pills),I was on 46 units of Lantus in one shot.

I am not down to 26. Every few months, they reduce it.

I go there in February.

So we shall see.

Believe me, ever since she said what she said about eggs, I can't even look at one. lol

mrsD · 01-22-2008, 04:34 PM

eggs are almost the highest source of choline we have. Just about every animal eats the eggs of other animals as one of the best nutrition sources available.

I don't know what that doctor said about eggs, but they remain a very good source for many nutrients. And now we even have Omega-3 enriched eggs.
Yes they are slimey... but they contain ALL the nutrients to start a life off from nothing.

Eggs are germinal foods. So are seeds. That means they contain all the nutrients to start a new life form. Trace minerals, protein, choline (for the brain) and many other things.

And I will warn you... "organic" does not mean much these days. Many things are labeled as such and are not. It is very common to find regular stuff claiming to be "organic" . If you lived in California, I might be more open...but in NYC? I wouldn't expect alot of believeable "organic". It is just more $$ out of your pocket.

shiney sue · 01-22-2008, 04:54 PM

I am in the hospital ,they are checking my left kidney..I had a bad bout of E-coli 3 yrs. ago that lasting 4 to 5 months,it was so bad they put me
in hospital on IV's I couldn't eat or drink anything. It was terrible and
been having a problem with my left kidney...Infection,blood ,and such.
He feels the E-coli I had as a child,and the bout last time has done damage.

Your Dr. should report to the Health Department when test shows e-coli.
They health department will contact you very fast. They ask you where
you have eaten,resturants,I only ate out at 2..They send you paper work
and imformation about what to do in your own house,you just never know.
It's not always reported because it may last a short time,and people
think they have the flu..

The Dr. said so much of it is in the ice that's put in our glasses..He said
by law,the person giving you the ice should change gloves when putting
the ice in glass throw them away and and put on fresh one's...But alot
will (and this will make you sick) go to the bathroom with those gloves
on,come back and use those gloves..Dr. said he never asks for water
with ice in it.. Now nurse is after me,I'm so glad you put this up.
I was sick with it 4 months imagine ,you don't want to. Sue

MelodyL · 01-22-2008, 05:45 PM

I completely agree.

But when she said that "when you eat an egg, you are eating a chicken embryo and the placenta", well, my skin started to crawl.

I will probably just buy the carton of egg whites (that is standing next to egg beaters). I'll add some veggies and do the omellete thing.

And yeah, I know that organic can be a bunch of bull.

When I go and visit my friend in NJ, she'll take me organic shopping.

I am determined to re-do the inside of my body, as well as the outside of my body. Hey, maybe when I'm 70, it will all come together??

P.S. Did you hear about Heath Ledger (the guy from Brokeback Mountain), they just found him dead in NYC. Holy Moly!!!

MelodyL · 01-22-2008, 05:46 PM

Sue, just wanted to say hi, and hope you get well soon.

You hang in there!!

Melody

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiney sue

I am in the hospital ,they are checking my left kidney..I had a bad bout of E-coli 3 yrs. ago that lasting 4 to 5 months,it was so bad they put me
in hospital on IV's I couldn't eat or drink anything. It was terrible and
been having a problem with my left kidney...Infection,blood ,and such.
He feels the E-coli I had as a child,and the bout last time has done damage.

Your Dr. should report to the Health Department when test shows e-coli.
They health department will contact you very fast. They ask you where
you have eaten,resturants,I only ate out at 2..They send you paper work
and imformation about what to do in your own house,you just never know.
It's not always reported because it may last a short time,and people
think they have the flu..

The Dr. said so much of it is in the ice that's put in our glasses..He said
by law,the person giving you the ice should change gloves when putting
the ice in glass throw them away and and put on fresh one's...But alot
will (and this will make you sick) go to the bathroom with those gloves
on,come back and use those gloves..Dr. said he never asks for water
with ice in it.. Now nurse is after me,I'm so glad you put this up.
I was sick with it 4 months imagine ,you don't want to. Sue

mrsD · 01-22-2008, 06:49 PM

The most useful nutrition is in the yolk.

You do what you want. Just find another source of choline.

HeyJoe · 01-22-2008, 07:50 PM

Dr. Day sounds like a quack to me. Anyone who says that all illnesses are caused by this or that is practicing medicine with blinders on. It makes sense to me that many diseases may be initiated by viruses or bacteria and the body's autoimmune response to them also factors heavily into the equation. I think that there will be a substantial increase in the number of diseases found to have been caused or initiated in this manner in the near future. Life also has to be enjoyable and to cut out everything and never eat anything that you enjoy because it may not be good for you makes as little sense as overdoing eating anything you want. Fad diets come and go, it seems like moderation is the key to sucess as in so many areas of our life.

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