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Old 02-18-2008, 03:15 PM #1
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I recently visited my neuro to tell him about the "balls", which by the way have become smaller or even dissapeared. SO my neuro said it was nothing, and that they were probably just fat balls. Anyway, i wanted a second opinion and visited another doctor who is into alternative medicine. He mentioned candida and he said that due to all the health problems i face, he recommended ozone therapy. I remebera while ago Melody posted a thread on a doctor that recommended ozone and Mrs D said she was not sure about using this treatment because its effect on free radicals production.


I asked Mrs D again what she thought about this and she said she wasn’t sure about it…. I tried to search for articles with more consistent information and since I didn’t find many I discarded the whole ozone treatment idea.

So I went back to doing regular reading about vitamins and other stuff and I came across wit an article about homocysteine and its excess contribute to vitamins b deficiency.

This is the article:

http://www.scientificexploration.org....1_mccully.pdf

So in the article there’s a very complete description on how homocysteine puts several threats to health. The part that surprised me was that as I was reading the article I found out the author mentioned ozone which I had just searched and discarted… So, by reading the article I kind of understood there is an effect of ozone on homocysteine, so I kind of understood ozone has a positive effect on reducing homocysteine and its effects.. So this is how the effect is described: Thioretinaco ozonide and enhanced biological activity of thioretinaco ozonide in combination with interferon (?????????)
I searched for more related articles and I found very interesting information:


http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5565558.html

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/55...scription.html

Chemical pathology of homocysteine. III. Cellular function and aging

http://www.annclinlabsci.org/cgi/con...tract/24/2/134

They all claim that ozone is somehow connected to homocysteine or could somehow have an effect on it. I don’t really know how to read this information. I don’t know the technical vocabulary I would need in order to understand it.

So the truth is I am not sure I really understood the claims there, so I would like to know what you think of this and how you interpret this information…
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Lightbulb well...

I don't think anyone understands the claims..

If it were such a great thing, you'd see many quickly embracing it. And this we do not see. That means there are no obvious clinical trials with huge success.

This happens alot with alternative things. I remember the huge Mannatech claims... how wonderful it was etc. That was over 10 yrs ago for me and still the miracle cures are not public or extolling their occurance.

Here is an example:
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Mediators Inflamm. 2004 Feb;13(1):3-11.Click here to read Links
Ozone as Janus: this controversial gas can be either toxic or medically useful.
Bocci V.

Department of Physiology, University of Siena, Italy. bocci@unsi.it

Ozone is an intrinsically toxic gas and its hazardous employment has led to a poor consideration of ozone therapy. The aim of this review is to indicate that a wrong dogma and several misconceptions thwart progress: in reality, properly performed ozone therapy, carried out by expert physicians, can be very useful when orthodox medicine appears inadequate. The unbelievable versatility of ozone therapy is due to the cascade of ozone-derived compounds able to act on several targets leading to a multifactorial correction of a pathological state. During the past decade, contrary to all expectations, it has been demonstrated that the judicious application of ozone in chronic infectious diseases, vasculopathies, orthopedics and even dentistry has yielded such striking results that it is deplorable that the medical establishment continues to ignore ozone therapy.

PMID: 15203558 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Almost all of the positive papers on Ozone are from Italy.

This article sums it up fairly well:
http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH...l?d=dmtContent
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Mrs D. Thank you for your response. However I was more asking about your thoughts on the first article. There something is mentioned about ozone and homocysteine but my medical knowledge and technical vocabulary level is so low to understand it. So i just want to ask what you, and the people here on the forum, think this may mean. Thank you
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I have never, in all my life, heard of FAT BALLS.

I HAVE however, known a 91 year old woman who used to live across the street from me, and she had these BIG balls all up and down her arms.

Never saw such a thing in all my life.
A neighbor quietly whispered, "they are cysts".

Quite a lot of cysts, let me tell you. BIG ONES!!!

But I have never hard of teeny fat balls.

Anybody???
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Lightbulb we are not biochemists here...

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Mrs D. Thank you for your response. However I was more asking about your thoughts on the first article. There something is mentioned about ozone and homocysteine but my medical knowledge and technical vocabulary level is so low to understand it. So i just want to ask what you, and the people here on the forum, think this may mean. Thank you
Dr. McCully's article is based on his work in the area of homocysteine.
High levels of this damage the lining of blood vessels, and can be genetic or acquired (low B12, low B6 low folate).

One has to have "some" homocysteine in order to make SAM which is a methyl donor to the whole body. It is when the conversion to SAM is blocked the trouble occurs. Normal young people typically do not have elevated homocysteine unless they inherit a genetic defect to cause it. But as we age, it tends to go up.

We cannot live without oxygen, and its use to provide energy helps and also hinders. The problems with ozone therapy are that there really is no way to taylor the ozone to where YOU want and need it. It goes everywhere. So while it may do some good in one place, it may do harm in others. This is basically the dilemma medical science has with drugs as well. This is called benefit vs risk.

I tend to follow common sense with nature in understanding things in the body. As we evolved, where was the ozone? Did we adapt to it? The answer is that ozone is artificial and as such needs to be used carefully.
Introducing things into the body that we did not evolve with, brings dangers.
Enemas going backwards into the GI tract were not part of our evolution.
Nasal irrigation, injecting with needles, etc all are man made things. And as such can have consequences. Humans have alot of hubris when it comes to healing.

Monica you are a young person, so homocysteine should not be an issue for you yet..unless you do not consume foods that have the 3 b's in them to work with it. Oxidation reactions in tissues are complicated. Some oxygen is needed and excess is damaging. I am not a fluent biochemist so I tend to view this chemistry with more common sense than detail. Just injecting ozone into the blood stream seems very vague to me. How would that be controlled so that it does not damage anything? That is my opinion on it.

If you look back historically at medical progress you'll find that it wasn't so long ago that doctors/barbers bled sick patients.
The belief then was that a toxin was in the blood making people sick. And for some it was true. Excess iron in the blood called
homochromatosis occurs pretty commonly in Europe (at almost the incidence of twining). So bleeding these patients made them
better for a while. When this was noticed doctors started generalizing to all patients, and hence bleeding a very sick person,
with other problems, just weakened them more and they died. Now we know why. But then, they didn't. Medicine is full of
behaviors like this. We are slowly learning more about how the body functions, but we are still very far from figuring out how to
fix errors.
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