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hoibie@comcast.net 03-08-2008 12:02 PM

My opinion is that it imay be a mistake for pre-diabetics to take insulin It may make you dependent on insulin brecause you body may stop making its own insulin because you are getting it externally. Diet and exercise in my opinion is a better solution.

I have been classified as pre-diebetic. My glucose and A1C readings are not too high. I aslo have numbness of the feet but not much pain , only discomfort. I took a class of Tai Chi which has improved my balance. There are also home exercises that you can do to improve your balance. These are the same exercises that you would get if you see a Physical Therapist.

mrsD 03-08-2008 12:09 PM

Insulin resistance
 
occurs at the tissue level... insulin fails to enable glucose. It doesn't matter if
you inject or use your own.

Research is looking for the causes of the failure at the cell membrane level.
They think it is an inflammatory cytokine made by fat cells.

Studies like you are doing worry me. Instead of sensitizing the insulin you do have to work normally, they just give you MORE insulin?

Metformin, chromium supplements, R-lipoic acid all help insulin work at the cellular level better.

Studies have shown that by the time a person reaches Type II diabetes, 1/2 of their pancreas insulin is gone. I can see using "some" insulin daily when diabetes results, but the dose you are on, is really high for a NON diabetic.

The liver makes more glucose when it senses low blood sugar. That is called gluconeogenesis...and you might be doing that metabolically to account for all that insulin. Drugs like metformin are handy because they shut that down somewhat to lower blood sugar.

I think you should read up on the internet:
topics like this:
Syndrome X (diet suggestions)- Also called metabolic syndrome
Metformin use in insulin resistance

Your health should come first, not some study. That's just my opinion.

MelodyL 03-08-2008 06:22 PM

That's exactly what I thought when I read on HOW MUCH INSULIN YOU ARE ON and you are not even a diabetic. I know it's very easy for me to tell you to lose weight. I have no idea how old you are or if you can start some kind of exercise routine.

But the facts are, you are not a diabetic, and you are ON LOTS OF INSULIN. You need to teach your body to use the insulin it already makes. At the rate you are going, god knows how much Lantus they are going to give you.

I have been diabetic (type 2) for 20 years. I started with lots of oral meds, I was morbidly obese, and ultimately went into the ACCORD program almost 3 years ago. They started me on 46 units of the Lantus in addition to the 2 Metformin pills I was already on.

Well, I saw a nutritionist, got my act together (it's a whole new way to look at food believe me), but ultimately I lost MOST OF MY WEIGHT.

And the best news is that within a few months I was off the oral meds, and they started to lower my Lantus.

I am presently on 22 units of the Lantus. The only other med I am on is Zestoril for high blood pressure (it helps the kidneys if you are diabetic too).

Really hon, I would see another doctor (an endocrinologist) and run it by him (what you have been taking).

At least think about it. You are on A GREAT DEAL OF INSULIN.

The goal is NOT TO BE ON INSULIN AT ALL, or as little as you need to be.

We're straight shooters on this forum. We only want to help.

Brian 03-08-2008 08:34 PM

I betcha that person wouldn't put himself or any member of his family through what seems to me like a very dangerous experiment trial, there is no way i would let anyone experiment on my long term health, Diabetic complications can be deadly.
The real answer to be extremely careful not to rise your blood sugars above
normal range, be kind to your body and it will eventually thank you, things don't happen overnight but you have a golden opportunity now to loose that prediabetic state, choosing a well balanced diet for your particular needs is very important, a dietitian's help would be useful, ditch any high sugary carbs, its only rubbish that you don't need, eating high fibre low GI foods will release more slowly into your blood stream which will give you the benefit of keeping you fuller for longer and it also takes the strain off your pancreas producing enough insulin.

Brian :)

shiney sue 03-09-2008 12:42 AM

Mrsd
 
Every time I read some thing like that,oh my I'm so glad your here.
Thank you young person,but you full of,never mind we have a right
to our own ,oh never mind. Good Luck,think about what Mrs.d had to
say. Sue

Yorkiemom 03-10-2008 01:04 PM

Hi there:

Sorry, I can't be too much help on diabetic advice. Others, who have posted, are far more knowledgeable than I am.

I just wanted to welcome you to our forum and also tell you that I see several docs at UTSW. I live in the area too.

Good luck,
Cathie

JRC000 03-11-2008 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom (Post 233842)
Hi there:

Sorry, I can't be too much help on diabetic advice. Others, who have posted, are far more knowledgeable than I am.

I just wanted to welcome you to our forum and also tell you that I see several docs at UTSW. I live in the area too.

Good luck,
Cathie

I see Dr. Kathleen Wyne who is an Endocrinologist. She is the Dr.
that entered me on this clinical trial.

I appreciate all the input from this forum. I plan to ask her about
all your suggestions.

JRC000 03-14-2008 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian (Post 231593)
I was classed as prediabetic but treat myself the same as a person with Diabetes 2 would, i don't touch potatoe at all, i love to eat it but it has a terrible affect on my blood sugars, so does white bread.
Instead of potatoe i choose cauliflower and only use very high fibre seeded bread but limit myself to only 2 slices a day.
It's very easy to slip into a diabetic range from a prediabetic state, so the amount and what you you eat is very important, especially if inactive.
My feet were very numb especially on the soles but through tight glucose control and exercise i have regained a lot of feeling back in them.
Good luck
Brian :)

Did you work with a therapist to do exercise? I am working with a
therapist with the hope I can get feeling back in my feet. I do
have some feeling but walking on sponges best describes how my
feet feel. I have terrible balance and have fallen twice.

dahlek 03-14-2008 05:46 PM

Exercises w/a Physical therapist
 
DO not make the numbness go away per se. You have to be very pragmatic and realistic about how nerves are damaged...The nerves can and do die or get damaged very quickly or over a period of time...Healing or regeneration of the nerves is a glacial-like process! No and's if's or but's...ever.
There are three issues going on here?
1- Controlling your pre-diabetes state -meaning you have to change your diet and lifestyle patterns [I HATE that last one!] to put your body in the best position to heal those nerves and give them the 'environment' they need to heal, regenerate or whatever...
2- Physical won't 'cure' you, just help you learn to try and compensate for the damages done and get on with life with more stability. Should nerves and new nerves grow...those nerves are going to need 'direction' thru using them the way they should be used...Repetition of many basic exercises helps give these new nerves [when they happen] the directions they need to be useful in the long term.
3- PATIENCE!!!!! It is a key term for all of us...Taking a vitamin, a med, painkillers isn't going to make the pains of these dead or distrubed nerves go away. Plain and simple. But, they do help you give your body the things it needs best to heal those nerves. I've a more acute type of neuropathy, many many of my nerves died within HOURS! Five years later, after extensive and expensive therapies I might just might be seeing/feeling some improvements. I'm not going to expect things to be 'back to normal' any time soon... Any feeling, good bad or indifferent rite now to me is GOOD...Better feeling than totally NOT feeling [which I have experienced as well] The lack is far far worse than the pains or strangenesses of 'feeling' by far.
Walking on 'sponges' IS a really good description! I've felt like I was walking on bubble wrap, only not having the fun of popping anything.
Hope this helps? :hug:'s in the meantime...we all muddle thru somehow... - j

daniella 03-14-2008 05:57 PM

Hi. First welcome. Also the physical part I was told too is so you don't atrophy by not using other muscles. Then you have more issues on top of the ones you have. To help you learn what your body can do. At one time I never thought I would be capable again of what I can do now though still limited but hoping for better ahead.Just such a slow process. When this started I used to think it would fix like a broken something but nerves take a long long time to get better. One day at a time and I hope you find the routine to help you get better.


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