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Steve 11-05-2006 10:51 PM

Hey Mel
 
Look, I'm not a doctor and don't have a crystal ball, so I can't say for sure what's going on with Alan.

All I know is, after I was diagnosed with small-fiber PN, I later discovered that my pain could be aggravated by pressure at certain places in my neck. That does not in any way fit the picture of small-fiber PN.

SFPN is not in itself positional. Only compressive neuropathies are positional.

I, too, was told that my neck is fine, my spine is fine, and so on. However, I recovered through PT, manipulation, trigger-point treatment and other stuff--all of which work only on compressive neuropathies.

So what gives? When I was hanging out on TOS sites, I heard about a doctor in PA who has a theory about TOS and SFPN. He thinks early TOS sufferers get small fiber pain, because their compressions are technically mild enough that only the long, thin axons of the small fibers are affected. So they'll get burning, tingling, or whatever weird sensation their nerves are prone too--but they won't get total numbness or motor loss they way somebody with full-blown TOS might.

Personally, I think the same thing can happen in other compressive neuropathies besides TOS, where a bulge, tight discs or some other problem chokes and aggravates the tiny small nerve fibers. In these cases, the irritant is almost never visible on MRIs. It's too minor, or it may be muscle-related, or not obvious when the patient is lying on the table in a certain position (much like the way TOS itself is invisible on MRIs).

Doctors don't recognize this syndrome. But my PT people had seen it multiple times.

Anyway, something like that happened to me. Maybe it happens to Alan, too.

MelodyL 11-05-2006 10:57 PM

so how on earth does a person find out???
 
I just went over to him and massaged his thighs and calves again because I saw he was sitting in his lounge chair and moving his foot up and down and sideways, like he always does when he is in neuropathy hell!!

So as I massage his thighs, he goes: "why on earth does this take away my pain?". I said "Alan, it's a mystery. Maybe it is auto-immune, maybe this, maybe that"

I mean we can go around in circles, now can't we??

Oh, I've been reading about lyrica and his primary care guy would give it to him but I explained that Alan cannot take neurontin and if lyrica is similar to neurontin, I'm afraid to encourage Alan to try it.

He tried neurontin twice (the lowest dose), and yeah, it took away the pain but he got violently ill (flu symptoms and fevers, both times he tried it).

So he's hesitant about going in that direction again.

Do you think if he tries lyrica the same thing might happen to him?.

By the way, he's allergic to celebrex and all sulfa drugs (if that helps any).

melody

Brian 11-06-2006 05:44 AM

So if increased blood cirlcation improves his PN, makes me wonder if magnets could help him as they increase blood circulation to, i mean strong magnets rare earth magnets are cheap and do the job, about 3,000 gauss reading, works fine for me.
might be worth a try, never know.
Brian :)

MelodyL 11-06-2006 08:16 AM

Brian, that's an excellent idea!
 
I have the three balls in the magnassager, they pop out.

I'll take them out, put them on Alan's thighs and put something around it so they don't fall off.

Will update.

thanks so much.

Melody

P.S. I just googled poor circulation and a whole bunch of stuff came up on Peripheral Vascular Disease.
Now Alan was checked for that when he went years ago to Coney Island Hospital. The worst place in the world by the way. They did a doppler (or something down by his legs) and the guy said "you have 20%". That's all I can remember but the guy said "this is not what is causing the PN".

I copied and pasted.
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What causes poor circulation to the foot:
Poor circulation is most commonly caused by a progressive blocking of the arteries in the leg (athersclerosis). Those with diabetes are more likely to develop poor circulation to the foot. Other risk factors for developing poor circulation include a lack of physical activity,smoking, high blood pressure and high cholesterol.

The effects of poor circulation (peripheral vascular disease) on the foot:
The biggest affect of poor circulation on the foot, is that its problems (such as sores, infections, cuts, etc) develop, they do not heal as well as they should. In many cases they do not heal at all without special care. The reason for this is that the blood carries vital elements (eg oxygen) that the bodies tissues need for vitality and healing.

Treatment of poor circulation:
Poor circulation can be treated by your doctor or vascular surgeon in a number of ways:

* Good control of the blood glucose level is very important if diabetes is present.

* Other risk factors - such as lack of exercise; high blood pressure; smoking; and high cholesterol levels also need to be addressed.

* Drugs can be used to prevent the blood clotting (antiplatelet agents and anticoagulants).

* Angioplasty can be used to enlarge the narrowed peripheral arteries.

* A vein from another part of the body can be used to bypass the narrow or blocked artery can be used by the vascular surgeon.
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Now, I know that this is a stretch, but the fact that Alan had to get a stent in his chest because of a blockage, and because when I massage his thighs and his calves, he goes to heaven, could this be a POSSIBILITY!!!!


Now Alan is already going to the gym, he lost weight, he's on plavix, and I have no idea if indeed they will find out it's his circulation (BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS DOING THIS?', right??

I'm sure whichever doctor he goes to now will test him for Peripheral Vascular disease. Is there a definitive test so that when the doctor gets the results, he will go : "Aha, Alan, now we know, this is what you have". or OH SHOOT, YOU DON'T HAVE IT!!!"

Thanks guys,
Melody

mrsD 11-06-2006 08:26 AM

Melody...
 
I don't think the Magnassager balls are magnetic themselves. The unit is an electromagnet
field producer, and hence moves the balls around.
Quote:

Three stainless steel balls are suspended by a magnetic field and produce a free-rolling, frictionless massage. The balls rotate at an adjustable speed to provide a slow, wonderfully deep muscle massage aimed at “untying” muscle knots and relieving deep muscle tension. It can also be used as a fast, superficial and invigorating skin massage.
That is why it is so heavy.

Silverlady 11-06-2006 08:28 AM

Open MRI
 
Brian,
There is an MRI now that shows what's going on when you are standing up. It is actually called a standing MRI. I just found out about it.

Billye

MelodyL 11-06-2006 09:11 AM

Well, so much for the balls!!!!!

lol

Melody

nide44 11-06-2006 01:12 PM

Yeah, Mel......leave Alan's balls alone ..... !! LOLOL :)

As for the Lyrica, I take it and have no ill effects.
IMHO, its great, but I didn't have any problems with Neurontin either.
I've heard both sides- some who couldn't tolerate Neurontin, do OK & now swear by Lyrica.......and some who took Neurontin OK, can't take the s/e of Lyrica. I guess ya gotta try it to see what happens- a 50/50 shot?.

Brian 11-06-2006 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverlady (Post 35062)
Brian,
There is an MRI now that shows what's going on when you are standing up. It is actually called a standing MRI. I just found out about it.

Billye

Thats interesting, i never knew they had vertical ones now, so there might be something to it after all.
I have had 3 MRI's thats going back a few years, they were terrible then, like being stuck in a sewer pipe for what feels like an hour or so,, but i believe they are a lot better these days and you can actually see a lot more of whats going on outside, i believe.
thanks for the info Billye :)

snoozie 11-06-2006 05:15 PM

The stand up MRI is by a company called Fonar.

http://www.fonar.com/patient/

I am patiently waiting for one to come to my city. ...Sue


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