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04-26-2015, 12:16 AM | #1 | ||
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Thank you so much for the above information on B12. I really appreciate your informed discussion I had no idea I should be taking my methyl B12 away from food for instance. I will do so from now on. Now wonder it never has seemed to make a difference whether I took it or not. I agree the methyl form is best--and why not take it rather than not? Meanwhile I have a problem taking methyl folate or at least so I think. Maybe if I take it by itself rather than in a methyl B pill it will be OK. Wiped me out for two days the two times I took it. Pretty scary! I could hardly move I felt so under it. My grandmother used to get B 12 shots and swore by them. My condition seems to be more complicated. I had 23 and me done and discovered yes I do have inherited B12 tendency towards deficiency as well as multiple methyl and immune system difficulties--including a tendency to have low blood pressure with runaway inflammation from stress from ACE and other mutations which often leads to migraines etc. etc. But that is another topic, eh? Or is it? Things could get a bit confused here. I am new to the forum so will need to find my way...
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04-26-2015, 11:03 AM | #2 | ||
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Welcome Yolo.
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03-16-2011, 08:14 AM | #3 | ||
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MCV is a test which is routinely done as part of your CBC (complete blood count) and if the number is too high or too low, it is an indication that further testing might be required. When the MCV is decreased, your RBCs are smaller than normal (microcytic) as is seen in iron deficiency anemia or thalassemias. Last edited by brainedout; 03-16-2011 at 11:57 AM. |
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03-20-2011, 04:09 PM | #4 | ||
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I found this post through searching the internet and have a couple of questions:
Can someone with a b 12 serum level of 550 experience symptoms? I am a vegetarian and over the last year or two year I have been tired (kind of zoned out like my body is disconnected from my brain), muscle twitches, stiff neck and shoulders, vibrating/tingling in my hands, nervous easily) In the beginning of November after a very stressful time in October I began to have stomach problems (nausea, burning stomach, burping, throat tightness). The doctor diagnosed me with gerd. I tried to explain that I had never had stomach problems in my life. He prescribed prilosec, but it did not do me any good. I was then tested for h. pylori but that came back negative. Additional blood work showed that I was not anemic or diabetic. My MCV is at 94 (I looked back at old blood work and it looks like my MCV is something that continues to go up). During this same time, I also began to have bad nightmares where I sit straight up and/or, breathing heavy, heart racing absolutely in a state of panic. Out of desperation after coming across an article that mentioned GI problems with b12 def. I asked to be tested this month. I was told the 550 was normal. Now for my second question in regard to the test. Because my stomach has been so bad, my diet has changed drastically (starting in Nov). I began drinking more milk, eating chicken noodle soup 3 to 4 times a week (trying to avoid the chicken, but I know I am eating some of it), eating 3 or so slices of multi-grain bread fortified with b12 during the day because my stomach worse when it is empty.) Could this change in diet, have affected the blood test results since it does not reflect my state at the time when all of these symptoms developed? Any insight would be greatly appreciated. |
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Hi, My name is Melody. your B-12 level is TOO low. Mine is 2000. Doctors do not know anything about nutrition. They practice medicine. I can only advise you on the one way of eating that benefited my life. I turned to sprouting. Go on the internet and google "benefit of sprouting". You're a vegetarian so you are perfect for this food. It is GREAT for people with sensitive stomachs. I sprout broccoli (no gas by the way), alfalfa, fenugreek and radish sprouts). I have zero gerd, stomach problems. I go to the bathroom every day. It's the best thing I ever did. Stop with the chicken noodle soup. Stop with anything processed. You want to put live, good stuff in your body. That is however if you are SERIOUS about your health. I was and I am. Melody
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02-11-2015, 04:41 PM | #6 | ||
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However I'm too distracted and unfocused just now to take too much of it in. I did learn, when my small fiber neuropathy first became dominant, that the folic acid I took when on Methotrexate for my RA for two years might have skewed my serum B12 results - last taken a year ago. So about 18 months ago I got myself privately tested to try and work out whether B12 deficiency could be causing this symptom for me. I hope you might advise me if taking one Methyl B12 (Jarrow) 5000mcg is enough if I tell you my levels from these tests - although they are quite old now. They were all within normal lab range when done; 10/10/13. MMA was 0.16 (lab range <0.29). Homocysteine 9.25 (lab range less than 15). 29/01/14 Serum B12 382 (lab range 200-700) I took the above sublingual Methyl B12 5000mcg for six months last year and it made no difference to my neuropathic symptoms. However these were the last tests I had taken as my GP refuses to check this now and going private is very expensive for me as there's no clinic in the area where I live so I have to travel a long way to get it done. I am also Hypothyroid and I take Levothyroxine 100mcg and AdCal D3 one chewable daily on NHS prescription. I would be so grateful if you could let me know how much I should take to get the benefit and hopefully address my SFN. Best wishes, Mat |
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Mat, just take 5mg of the methylcobalamin once a day on an empty stomach. That is enough for most people.
You did test below 400 which is concerning. 400 is the new low now. (not 200) It will take a few months to see much improvement, especially if you have been low for a long time.
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02-11-2015, 06:37 PM | #8 | ||
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There is no upper limit on B12 medically. (not toxicity studies)
The out of range upper figure is only useful for those patients NOT taking any supplements before the testing. The ranges were developed on people not using any supplements, currently or in the recent past. So the upper readings out of range can imply some medical condition (kidney failure, some cancers, liver disease, etc) being present, that needs further evaluation. Excess B12 that is not used, or stored by the liver is excreted by the kidneys. However, some doctors react to high B12 readings with horror...and tell people to stop supplements. This indicates a poorly trained doctor who doesn't understand the test's meaning. I myself would find another doctor who can evaluate things more realistically.
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