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cait24 08-16-2013 08:09 PM

prednisone withdrawal
 
Has anyone here had severe steroid withdrawal symptoms? And if so, what did you do for it?

I am having severe headaches, muscle aches, joint pain, stomach ache, diarrhea, equilibrium problems, rapid heart beat, weakness and extreme fatigue. I am having a hard time coping with it. i am sure some of this is return of MG, but the more weaning off prednisone, the worse I get.

thanks,
kathie

pingpongman 08-16-2013 09:04 PM

At what rate are you withdrawing?
Mike

cait24 08-16-2013 09:12 PM

I was down to 30mg every day, and then for the last month he had me on 30 mg every other day. I am suppose to start 20 mg every other day on Sunday, but I am afraid how much worse I will get. I have called the neuro for 3 days straight, but he never returned the call. I have a new neuro, but the initial appointment is not until October. And of course the GP won't touch anything MG related and defers to the neuro. It is a sad state.

southblues 08-16-2013 09:12 PM

Also, how long were you on it? And what was the dose?

cait24 08-16-2013 09:15 PM

I was on 40 mg for a month, then 35 for a month and then 30 another month and then down to 25mg. WHen i got to 25, the MG got bad and then put me back to 30 for a month and then tried to wean again. So all toll, about 5 months.

cait24 08-16-2013 09:30 PM

Fever is 101, usually 97 (hypothyroid). Resting heart rate 125. Lungs are tight breathing in. Has anyone had to go the ER for steroid withdrawal and at what point did you make that descision?

I am beginning to believe some of my IVIG reaction may have been steroid withdrawal. I am having a lot of the same symptoms. It feels like a really bad flu.

thanks
kathie

neutro 08-17-2013 05:18 AM

Hi Cait,
I think the tapering scheme you follow is too rapid, didnīt you say your problems started when you changed to 25 mg every day from 30 every day? And now, you are on 30 every other day...!
Normally one should try something between the last levels (30 was ok and 25 was not), thus 27.5 by taking one day 30mg and the following day 25 until you get stabilized. After that, 30 mg one day and 20 the following day, and so on...
I donīt understand how neuros prescribe such high weaning off rate for people who have been on Pred for several months and at rather high doses...
Good luck to you!
Maurice.

pingpongman 08-17-2013 07:12 AM

I agree with Maurice. A slower taper might be best. Prednisone is a wicked drug. When I was on high dose (60mg) it made my leg muscles so weak I could barely walk. My neuro-muscular Dr saw this and started tapering me right away. I have been on as high as 80mg which solved my double vision which has never returned.
Mike

4-eyes 08-17-2013 08:39 AM

I think you likely have an infection along with possible steroid withdrawal. The taper is too fast, as you are not supposed to continue reducing when there are newly activated MG symptoms, unless you are withdrawing for a different reason.

I would think you need to go to ER, but avoid just announcing that you have steroid withdrawal. Instead, explain your symptoms and let them try and figure it out and if needed bring up the steroids (although that will probably get put in as part of the questioning).

Take care.

southblues 08-17-2013 09:10 AM

It sounds like you are going down too fast. The doctor really needs to talk to you. I am glad you are replacing him.

cait24 08-22-2013 04:45 PM

Does this sound crazy or is it just me. The assistant to the neuro finally called back after a week of phone calls. They had me weaned down to 30mg a day and then to 30 mg every other day. When I went to every other day, I started feeling really bad, especially on the off day with weakness, fatigue, headache, muscle ache, etc. So the assistant to the neuro said go down to 15 every day. DOes this sound way to fast to anybody or am I just crazy?

thanks
kathie

4-eyes 08-22-2013 06:07 PM

Oh, wow, that doesn't sound good at all to me. So sorry.

In my opinion, the "every other day" part came too late. My neuro's office has patients go to every other day when they are at their highest dose, as soon as the symptoms become stable. That immediately cuts side effects in half, and makes the wean much easier. When done when the dosage is high and the patient is stable, it just works better.

You have been noting withdrawal type (and symptom re-emergence) since very early on in your wean. Since you have continued the fast wean, your body is really stressed from both the wean and the re-emerging symptoms in addition to the bad scene that happened with the IVIG. This potentially a recipe for disaster.

Are you happy with your neuro? Is this something you can talk to him/her about, or make an appt to go in and discuss? I will add that it's not unusual to feel cruddy for a few days following any reduction in pred, so if try and ride it out, it "may" get better (or may not.)

I hope you find some relief soon.

cait24 08-22-2013 06:31 PM

I am not happy with the neuro. I am on the wait list for a new neuro. I voiced my concerns with the assistant to the neuro about the dosage as well as the concern about what are we going to try next. The neuro was just going to let me ride out the steroid with no new treatment plan. They were going to send me to some sort pf specialist to try improve my quality of life. I said I prefer a new treatment plan to try for remission. They said they would get back to me on that.

I guess I will follow their instructions and see what happens.

thanks
kathie

sandy56 08-22-2013 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cait24 (Post 1009224)
I am not happy with the neuro. I am on the wait list for a new neuro. I voiced my concerns with the assistant to the neuro about the dosage as well as the concern about what are we going to try next. The neuro was just going to let me ride out the steroid with no new treatment plan. They were going to send me to some sort pf specialist to try improve my quality of life. I said I prefer a new treatment plan to try for remission. They said they would get back to me on that.

I guess I will follow their instructions and see what happens.

thanks
kathie

So sorry this is happening to you Kathie. It really disturbs me when a doctor's office staff ignore calls. You can never be sure if the information gets to the doctor or not. I hope your new neuro is better. I am new to this disease so have not had some of the scary situations some of the rest of the group have. Just want you to know I am sending you healing energy and prayers. Hang in there :hug:

SANDY

schavarria 08-23-2013 09:26 AM

weaning pred
 
WAY TOO FAST!!!

The highest dose I had was 30 mg/day. To wean, the neuro took me down to 25 for one month, then 23, then 21, then 20, one month at a time. Then 18 and 16, one month at a time, and told me to stop there. All of that was tolerable, with just a couple of days of not-quite-rightness. I went down to 15 after another month by my own judgment, then 13 after 2 months. I just want off this drug! But I paid for it with the last two decreases, with head to toe pain for a few days and feeling like I had the flu in general. My neuro didn't seem to pleased I had taken it on myself to do that, but I'm sick of prednisone. I'm now about a month since that decrease to 13, and no more ill effects and the MG is holding its own. Anyway, it seems to me that your decrease doses are extraordinarily far apart!

neutro 08-23-2013 03:04 PM

Kathie, 30 mg every other day or 15 every day, is about the same...your neuro assistant didnīt listen to you and didnīt dare to change anything his boss said...
If I were in your shoes, I would go back to 30 mg every day and read again the various posts sent to you about too quick Pred tapers. Personally, I would never cut more than 10 % at any step.
Good luck, keep us informed and the quicker youīll see a decent neuro, the better youīll be!
Maurice.


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