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Hope15 11-24-2009 09:51 PM

Rosacea and PN...
 
I suffer from rosacea and have for years. I go through periods where it doesn't happen too often, but then it flares up for awhile. One thing I do notice is that when my rosacea is really bad, my PN seems to flare up and hurt even worse. Does anyone know of any possible connection?


Just as a side note, rosacea has been connected with lupus, but I have been cleared of that.

JoanB 11-24-2009 11:48 PM

Hope, I've had rosacea for years too. I never noticed a connection between it and PN flares, but now that you've mentioned it, I'll try to take note of it. Like you, I've been tested as negative for lupus. I have no basis for it whatsoever, but the connection makes sense to me on a gut level (I prefer to call it a "cellular" level).

But you shouldn't take too much stock in what makes sense to me: we were both just fine, rowing and cycling and enjoying life. But ever since we quit smoking, I got cancer, GI problems, a hip replacement, and PN. My partner developed PMR. So we're both whiny messes at this point. She's an amputee from the hip (from childhood) so while we expected a certain number of challenges from life, these new disabilities with both of us have presented us with a whole new set of, um, things that optimists call "new opportunities." At some times we are given to wistful memories of when we were both hale, hearty, and smoked. But we never consider starting again, so don't worry about that.

Anyway, I will try to pay attention to when I have rosacea flares and if they coincide with PN flares.

aussiemom 11-25-2009 12:11 AM

Hi
I have rosacea too, in my eyes even! I don't notice a connection with flares and pain, it is an interesting thought! But, if you do, think about what is happening at that time? More excercise, in the heat, or cold? What causes your rosacea to flare? Or your PN? Are you doing both at the same time, and then quit?

Hope15 11-25-2009 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoanB (Post 593486)
Hope, I've had rosacea for years too. I never noticed a connection between it and PN flares, but now that you've mentioned it, I'll try to take note of it. Like you, I've been tested as negative for lupus. I have no basis for it whatsoever, but the connection makes sense to me on a gut level (I prefer to call it a "cellular" level).

But you shouldn't take too much stock in what makes sense to me: we were both just fine, rowing and cycling and enjoying life. But ever since we quit smoking, I got cancer, GI problems, a hip replacement, and PN. My partner developed PMR. So we're both whiny messes at this point. She's an amputee from the hip (from childhood) so while we expected a certain number of challenges from life, these new disabilities with both of us have presented us with a whole new set of, um, things that optimists call "new opportunities." At some times we aregiven to wistful memories of when we were both hale, hearty, and smoked. But we never consider starting again, so don't worry about that.

Anyway, I will try to pay attention to when I have rosacea flares and if they coincide with PN flares.


Hi Joan, it is crazy the way life goes. In 2005, I lost a lot of weight, began exercising and eating right and felt wonderful........and then I was hit with every crummy health problem out there. I know it was probably just a coincidence, but geez! :confused:

Hope15 11-25-2009 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by aussiemom (Post 593494)
Hi
I have rosacea too, in my eyes even! I don't notice a connection with flares and pain, it is an interesting thought! But, if you do, think about what is happening at that time? More excercise, in the heat, or cold? What causes your rosacea to flare? Or your PN? Are you doing both at the same time, and then quit?


Hi Barb. Though I can get the rosacea anytime of the day, it mostly hits in the evening hours. I sometimes think it's the colder weather, or the fact that I just got out of the shower, or sometimes it hits for no reason at all. But it almost seems like the rosacea irritates my PN. As my face burns and hurts with the rash (I also have it in my eyes) My PN will start to hurt all over my body feeling all sharp and prickly. It's very strange...:confused:

EE03 11-25-2009 01:06 PM

Hi Hope,

I've had Rosacea for a long time which effects both my eyes and face. I've only had PN for a short time but I did notice that my hands and feet were on fire last night and my face was beet red. Had I not read your post, I wouldn't have given it another thought, but now I think its worth noting. I don't know if there would be any common link between the two or not, but I will keep track for awhile and bring it up to my doctor at my next appointment. My PN is idiopathic polyneuropathy, for what its worth. Thanks for posting this. I'll be watching to see if anyone else has noticed anything or has additional information about it. Also, here is a link to the National Rosacea Society. They have a feature on their website where you can post a question to a doctor, presumably someone from their advisory board, and they will answer.
http://www.rosacea.org/index.php

Take care.

Hope15 11-25-2009 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EE03 (Post 593677)
Hi Hope,

I've had Rosacea for a long time which effects both my eyes and face. I've only had PN for a short time but I did notice that my hands and feet were on fire last night and my face was beet red. Had I not read your post, I wouldn't have given it another thought, but now I think its worth noting. I don't know if there would be any common link between the two or not, but I will keep track for awhile and bring it up to my doctor at my next appointment. My PN is idiopathic polyneuropathy, for what its worth. Thanks for posting this. I'll be watching to see if anyone else has noticed anything or has additional information about it. Also, here is a link to the National Rosacea Society. They have a feature on their website where you can post a question to a doctor, presumably someone from their advisory board, and they will answer.
http://www.rosacea.org/index.php

Take care.


Hi EEO3, you just described me as well. My face will get beat red, and then the PN pain gets quite intense. It feels as if one is really irritating the other. I'm glad to hear that my fellow rosacea sufferers are going to keep a watch for this. I am also ideopathic. Thanks so much for the link!

mrsD 11-25-2009 01:28 PM

I wonder.... do you use metronidazole for that rosacea?

I wonder if enough is absorbed into the skin to affect the nerves?
Metronidazole (Flagyl) is a known causer of PN.

aussiemom 11-25-2009 05:15 PM

Hi Mrs D.
I don't use that med, and haven't for years. I use the Eucerin products on my face, and that seems to help as much as anything else.

EE03 11-25-2009 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsD (Post 593684)
I wonder.... do you use metronidazole for that rosacea?

I wonder if enough is absorbed into the skin to affect the nerves?
Metronidazole (Flagyl) is a known causer of PN.

Mrs. D, I have been using Metrogel and I'm guessing the main ingredient is Metronidazole, but I only use a small amount on my face at night. I would be amazed if that little bit could cause it to flare off the charts. Would it be a cumulative effect?

By the way, I'm so glad you're here. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!:hug:

mrsD 11-25-2009 06:39 PM

It is hard to say how much Metronidazole would be absorbed.
The gel would facilitate it, I'd imagine.

I don't think enough would be systemic to be a factor, but, you never know with drugs:

Quote:

Pharmacokinetics

Topical administration of a one gram dose of METROGELŪ (metronidazole gel), 1% to the face of 13 patients with moderate to severe rosacea once daily for 7 days resulted in a meanąSD Cmax of metronidazole of 32ą9 ng/mL. The meanąSD AUC(0-24) was 595ą154 ng*hr/mL. The mean Cmax and AUC(0-24) are less than 1% of the value reported for a single 250 mg oral dose of metronidazole. The time to maximum plasma concentration (Tmax) was 6-10 hours after topical application.
http://www.rxlist.com/metrogel-drug.htm

Notice only 13 patients tested.

aussiemom 11-25-2009 08:00 PM

Hi
What do you do about the roscasca in your eyes? Eye doc wrote a script for Pataday, stops the itching for a while, but it always comes back the next day. I don't have many eye lashes left because of this! LOL

Hope15 11-25-2009 09:07 PM

Barb, because my rosacea has been so sporadic over the years, I actually am not treating it with any medications and I never have. Just when it is about to drive me to the doctors, it settles down. My sister has it too and it affects her the same way...

EE03 11-26-2009 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsD (Post 593769)
It is hard to say how much Metronidazole would be absorbed.
The gel would facilitate it, I'd imagine.

I don't think enough would be systemic to be a factor, but, you never know with drugs:


http://www.rxlist.com/metrogel-drug.htm

Notice only 13 patients tested.

The number of patients is typical of these companies. I'm amazed that the FDA approves these drugs with studies that small:rolleyes:. I think I'm going to stop using it and go back to using the lotion I purchased that is an alternative type of treatment called Prosacea along with Eucerin and/or Cetaphil.

As for the other posts concerning eyes, I use artificial tears to help prevent the crusting which occurs as a result of Rosacea and to keep the eyes hydrated. In the winter, I use the gel form at bedtime since using heat dries the eyes and I find that the dryness aggravates the Rosacea. I use them as often as needed and this was suggested by my opthalmologist. The dermatologist has also prescribed doxycycline at times when its gotten out of hand but I find that I haven't had to use those when I regularly use drops/gels. Take care.

cyclelops 12-01-2009 12:24 PM

I developed a rash as well. It looked very similar to a Lupus rash execept it went into the folds of my nose/lip area as well as the usual malar rash area. It got horrible when I went off meds! Then it calmed down when I got off everything.....made me wonder if drug induced Lupus was going on?? They list drugs that cause lupus, however, there are many more.

I also took doxycycline.....not good with Lupus...and not good with sunshine!

Oh I also got big brown spots that are fading away now.

Makes ya wonder!


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