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bizi 04-29-2010 11:42 PM

the oil slick is coming....
 
The oil slick will hit our beloved Louisiana coast soon.
Pray that they can clean this up quickly for the animals,
plants and us......and the rest of the coast.
bizi

Mari 04-30-2010 01:17 AM

Huffington post showed a satellite picture of the oil -- !
 
This really stinks.
BP is a terrible oil company with a lousy safety record. (In Texas they call it the company that kills people.)

And the well at the bottom of the water is not capped yet -- more oil is coming.

I'm so freeking mad at our government for
1) not having better safety enforcement in place
and
2) not having developed a big enough and fast enough response to the crisis.


M.

DiMarie 04-30-2010 02:00 AM

It is a scary situation not only for people, ocean and aquatic life, it means higher gas prices, and huge clean up cost.
The only thankful thing is that it is not anywhere as large as the Valdez catastrophe. If that can be called a good thing.

I hope the wind changes and carries it out, maybe they can burn it off...then pollute the air ????

Koala77 04-30-2010 06:11 AM

I can understand your concerns ladies. :(

I've been watching the news about the oil slick from here in Australia, and it really upsets me to think what might happen to the environment because of it.

Just recently we had something similar here in Australia when a foreign tanker took an illegal short cut through the Great Barrier Reef, but ran aground and tore a hole in the boat's hull. Oil spilled out and they're still trying to clean the oil from the coral, and trying to prevent large areas of this beautiful reef from dying.

I hope the current spill can be cleaned up quickly without much damage, but I wish there was some way we could prevent the spills to start with.

I'll be watching the news closely.

mymorgy 04-30-2010 07:44 AM

i have been watching cnn but think i want to stop. it is so heart breaking.
boy we really know how to destroy things.
bobby

Isis 04-30-2010 11:35 AM

This is unpardonable
 
What an absolutely horrific tragedy!

befuddled2 04-30-2010 01:15 PM

It's too close to home for comfort. It always seems like such disasters happen in far away places but this is close to home. I can only imagine how bad it has you feeling.

barbra

Mari 04-30-2010 09:19 PM

EPA and air quality
 
Dear Bizi,

The news is telling us that the EPA is monitoring the air quality in New Orleans and that folks might have to be evacuated.

Is there a smell from the oil and the wind gusts now?
They say that tomorrow will be windy.

Can you give updates if you are up too it?
I hope that you are safe.

M.

DiMarie 04-30-2010 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mari (Post 650140)
Dear Bizi,

The news is telling us that the EPA is monitoring the air quality in New Orleans and that folks might have to be evacuated.

Is there a smell from the oil and the wind gusts now?
They say that tomorrow will be windy.

Can you give updates if you are up too it?
I hope that you are safe.

M.

Things sound like there is a turn for the worse on this, I was so hoping the optimism they had earlier would pan out.
keeping you all on the coast in my prayers
Di

bizi 04-30-2010 11:49 PM

At this point it is a wait and see what happens...there is not a quick fix to this......we are going to be dealing with this issue a long time unfortunately.
bizi

waves 05-01-2010 12:32 AM

Dear Beth
 
sending you hopeful thoughts and (((HUGS)))

~ waves ~

befuddled2 05-02-2010 04:28 AM

Bizi, what's the latest news on it?

barbara

Mari 05-02-2010 09:14 AM

I'm not Bizi. Here's my take so far.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by befuddled2 (Post 650578)
Bizi, what's the latest news on it?

barbara

HI,

1. Here is a New York Times map that shows the oil spill as it grows.
Click on "Play."
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...racker.html?hp

=-=-=-=-=-

also this

2. Winds and waves are slowing down efforts to clean up the oil as the oil moves toward vital wet lands and shrimp and oyster beds.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/us/02spill.html?hp
Quote:

The spill, emanating from a pipe 50 miles offshore and 5,000 feet underwater, was creeping into Louisiana’s fragile coastal wetlands as strong winds and rough waters hampered cleanup efforts. Officials said the oil could hit the shores of Mississippi and Alabama as soon as Monday.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/o...ticleLarge.jpg



3. Florida has declared a state of emergency -- asking for the federal government to help. The oill could hit our FL beaches in three days.

It could be that the oil slick continues to grow and then goes around Florida, destroys our coral reef, and heads up the East Coast of the US.
No one is telling us when British Petroleum can cap the well and stop the leak.
It could take months for the leak to stop.


M.

waves 05-02-2010 10:25 AM

when i think...
 
... about all the wildlife - coastal life and sea life that will be destroyed by this it just makes me cry. for instance many of the corals and sponges are already endangered species, and the creatures that live on the reefs depend on them... this thing could kill entire ecosystems.

i wish there were a way to make these people answer for their actions - you know, DO SOMETHING about it. it seems like there "oughtta be a law" for this kind of stuff - at international level, you know????

and while prevention is better than cure, it seems like the big oil companies are just allowed to charge forward like a bull in a china shop, with no effective liability for prevention OR cure.

:(:(:(

~ waves ~

Theta Z 05-02-2010 07:24 PM

and it's still gushing uncontrolled from 20 miles below the Gulf's floor
 
From today's Huffington Post -
"The Gulf Coast spill will have eclipsed the Exxon Valdez in terms of total gallons of oil before the weekend is over -- making it the largest oil spill in U.S. history -- according to calculations made by oceanographer Ian MacDonald after studying aerial Coast Guard photos taken earlier in the week.

MacDonald, a professor at Florida State University who counts "oil and gas development" among his areas of expertise, stopped short of comparing the Deepwater Horizon spill to that of the Alaskan oil tanker, but said Saturday, "The spill is growing. I'm comfortable saying that the size and extent of this slick is 10 million gallons."

Given that just over a million gallons are leaking into the Gulf per day, according to MacDonald's calculations, the spill will shortly top the Exxon Valdez's estimated 11-million-gallon spill. It is almost certain to cost more than the Exxon spill, which cost $3.5 billion for cleanup and another $5 billion worth of lawsuits and other settlements.

The environmental whistleblowers at SkyTruth, which debunked earlier lowball estimates from the government and BP, said the spill will top the Exxon spill by the end of the day Saturday."

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Wow. How do we wrap our minds around this one, Gulf Coasters? And what can we do? Makes me want to imagine a PR campaign to "Adopt A Fisherman & Family".

Sincerely,
Theta Z.

befuddled2 05-02-2010 07:30 PM

Thank you all for the information. I saw on the news that it's hurting the fishermen's way to make a living.

barbara

Chemar 05-02-2010 10:31 PM

all fishing (commercial and recreational) is now banned from Louisiana to Florida

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_560217.html

this is way worse than the Valdez disaster:(

the pics coming in of the sea creatures washing up covered in the oil is heartbreaking

I dont know how they are going to close this gusher but I pray they find a way.

according to our local pundits, the Gulf Stream currents are going to likely carry the oil around the Florida peninsula and up the east coast......

nomatter how much blame and money this costs BP, the damage is done and the consequences are horrible and nothing they do now can change that. :mad:

befuddled2 05-03-2010 07:08 AM

I'm sure this will also affect the seafood restuarants all along the coast. I didn't at 1st realize just how many people's lives are going to be affected by this. And yes, it's a shame to see all those sea creatures dying too.

barbara

Theta Z 05-03-2010 08:28 AM

"An estimated 80 percent of the country's domestic, wild seafood supply is harvested in the region, and leads the nation in production of shrimp." - SeafoodSource.com
--------------------------------------------------------------
The impact of this mind boggling environmental crisis is going to reverberate far and wider than the Gulf Coast South region alone.

Pamster 05-03-2010 01:00 PM

I just cannot fathom how bad this really is going to be. The mind boggles that they can drill into the planets crust and NOT have some manner to CAP it if a disaster struck, that just makes like NO sense! :( So very upset here. My home state of Florida is going to be ruined up one coast and down the other if the currents take this oil where they think it might potentially go. *Sigh*

bizi 05-03-2010 03:02 PM

words can't describe how this will effect the whole seafood industry and animals and wild life and livelyhoods of thousands of workers and the environment, coral reefs, white beaches, communities, travel industry...the list goes on and on.....
sigh

Dmom3005 05-03-2010 03:24 PM

So sorry this is going on.

Hoping that the american people start working on taking up collections
for helping with this.

Just like the earthquakes, and things in other countries.

Donna:grouphug:

Brokenfriend 05-04-2010 03:11 PM

This deep sea oil gusher is spewing 200,000 gallons of oil into the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico a day. There is going to be allot of deep Gulf ocean damage,and the clams,shrimp,and etc. are going to perish in a large area. Birds,turtles,and etc.,and etc. are going to perish.

It seems to me that they should put a priority in plugging that hole,but again they don't seem to act very fast around the Gulf coastal area in that part of the country. They should cork that thing as fast as possible. BF:mad::hug::hug::hug:

Mari 05-04-2010 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brokenfriend (Post 651366)
It seems to me that they should put a priority in plugging that hole,but again they don't seem to act very fast around the Gulf coastal area in that part of the country.


:I-Agree:

Dear Friend,
You speak the truth.
M.

waves 05-04-2010 04:54 PM

i thought they were in the process of drilling a relief well. i read a few things that could be done but the problem is the engineering work takes so long...

you know i hope this doesn't sound callous but, the impact on people doesn't bother me nearly as much as the impact on the creatures, land air and water alike.

i mean, you can throw money at a fisherman and it will help him. you can pay for his rent, his utilities, his clothing, his medical bills, his kids' college tuition, his dog's trip to the vet.

and for our inconvenience? we don't have to go to the beach or swim in the sea. we will survive if we don't. we don't have to have shrimp for lunch every day, every week, not even once a year. we don't have to eat fish. we can eat corn and still survive.

tell the egrets they need to skidaddle out of the wetlands, scurry on over a few states, and feed off that corn field over yonder. rrright. egrets live where egrets live and if they can't live there and eat there, they DIE there.

stick a couple hundred dollar bills in the beak of an oil-drenched gull and see if that will save it, or its starving young. :(

some of the chemicals they use on spills - dispersants - to accelerate the decomposition of the oil - are lethal to corals. so what don't die with the problem could die with the fix.

and you know, while i understand that BP has assumed responsibility and legal liability, and i read that they didn't observe certain regulations... well, i was thinking that really they are a bit of a scapegoat for all of us. i do, i feel guilty. because come down to it, nobody would be sucking crude out of the bottom of the ocean, if WE didn't run around the planet in burning fuel planes trains and automobiles, on ways paved with asphalt and tar, using disposable everything made out of PLASTIC... all petroleum derivatives.

we did this. all of us. me you and the next guy. :eek:

:(:(:(

~ waves ~

Mari 05-04-2010 05:08 PM

long term mental health effects of those living in the area of the spill
 
Here is a good article about the Valdez's 20 year anniversary:
http://blog.buzzflash.com/analysis/640
Quote:

20 years out, Alaska's social and physical environment still reeling from Exxon Valdez disaster

"The stress manifested itself in all manner of horrible things, including substance abuse, alcohol abuse, domestic abuse, depression, PTSD [Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder], isolation, divorce and suicide. These are the so-called 'non-economic losses' in a court of law."

Here is an article published today about what Alaskams learned that could help the people on the gulf coast.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...uSLXgD9FFGF8O0

Quote:

CORDOVA, Alaska — Communities along the Gulf Coast wondering about what kind of legacy the monstrous oil slick will leave can look no further than the towns along the Alaska coastline that were ravaged by the Exxon Valdez spill in 1989.

Crude oil from the tanker still lingers on some beaches a full 21 years later. Some marine species never recovered. Families and bank accounts were shattered. Alcoholism, suicide and domestic violence rates all rose in hard-hit towns.
Quote:

And Jones' group published a guide for how to cope with disasters like this. "It's not how to clean oiled birds," Jones said. "It's how to help the human beings that are in the way of one of these disasters."
Also, here is a good study:
http://stevenpicou.com/pdfs/communit...-oil-spill.pdf
Community Impacts of the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill: A Synthesis and Elaboration
of Social Science Research




M.

Mari 05-04-2010 05:11 PM

we cross poster
 
Dear Waves,
Thanks.

We cross posted.
I was trying to clean up links and didn't read your post first.


I agree with you.


Quote:

Originally Posted by waves;651398
and you know, while i understand that BP has assumed responsibility and legal liability, and i read that they didn't observe certain regulations... well, i was thinking that really they are a bit of a scapegoat for all of us. i do, i feel guilty. because come down to it, nobody would be sucking crude out of the bottom of the ocean, if WE didn't run around the planet in burning [U
fuel[/U] planes trains and automobiles, on ways paved with asphalt and tar, using disposable everything made out of PLASTIC... all petroleum derivatives.


waves 05-04-2010 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mari (Post 651402)
Quote:

substance abuse, alcohol abuse, domestic abuse, depression, PTSD [Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder], isolation, divorce and suicide. These are the so-called 'non-economic losses'
Quote:

Alcoholism, suicide and domestic violence rates all rose in hard-hit towns.

wow Mari. i was clueless about this stuff. looks like some of us DON'T survive. while suicide is the only obvious "death" substance/alchol abuse can end in accidental or degenerative death and domestic abuse sometimes ends in the death of the abusee.

:(

~ waves ~

Brokenfriend 05-05-2010 08:30 PM

Now,for lack of better words,we have smog in the Gulf of Mexico. I am estonished that BP wasn't prepared for a deep sea oil rig accident. They didn't have a stopper for these deep rig sea disasters! Where are the think tanks when you need them. This oil is going to go in the waters in all directions,and up,and down.

I'm alarmed about this all. Forgive me. I'm not in the affected area. I'm close to Washington DC,in Virginia.

This isn't going to be like the man caused Dust bowls of the thirties,but it looks bad to me. It's going to affect the food chain. Like I said forgive me for being so alarmed. I am a person who is very scientific. BF:(:hug::grouphug:

bizi 05-05-2010 10:06 PM

you have cause to be alarmed!!!!
we all do!!!!!
bizi

Mari 05-05-2010 11:22 PM

HI,
I skipped the news today. I have to take a day or two off every once in a while.



Companies responsible in no particular order:

1. Halliburton -- contractor in the drilling project and perhaps most directly responsible for the actual explosion and 11+ deaths

2. Transocean -- owned the oil rig

3. BP -- leased the oil rig from Transocean

4. lots of politicians

5. government regulators -- the Interior Department's Minerals Management Service for one, . . .

6. voters

7. people who own stock in these companies (Halliburton,Transocean, BP, and other companies who do business with them)

8. people / politicians / businesses that have not been supporting alternative energies

9. those of us who use oil -- Waves pointed this out up thread.

Good site with Interesting facts about oil, gas and
ocean environment

Quote:

http://www.offshore-environment.com/facts.html
How much oil does the world consume each day?
The total world consumption of crude oil in 1996 was 71.7 million barrels per day (there are 42 US gallons in a barrel, or 159 litres). OPEC estimates that total world oil consumption could reach around 100 million barrels per day by the year 2020.
(From OPEC Annual Statistical Bulletin: 1996, OWEM Scenarios Report: 1998.)
http://www.opec.org/faqs.htm

How much oil enters the ocean?
The amount of petroleum products ending up in the ocean is estimated at 0.25% of world oil production: about 6 million tons per year.
http://daac.gsfc.nasa.gov/CAMPAIGN_DOCS/
OCDST/shuttle_oceanography_web/oss_122.html

Pamster 05-06-2010 10:25 AM

I am really on edge too so don't apologize BF. I am scared of te lasting effects of this spill as it merges into pristine areas. Heart breaking....They should have been prepared for this, every rig should have a floating stopper nearby, NOT days away but like HOURS from being useful. :(

Brokenfriend 05-06-2010 07:03 PM

Thank you Pamster
 
They should have stoppers,and rapid response teams. They have the money,and they should be prepaired for this type of disaster. They should have proof that they have a emergency plan when they get a license to drill.

We have fire departments on the Land. We have the coast guard for the sea. There should be a rapid responder team located between the riggs,or something. ???

It's to late now for the current disaster,but they need to cork it quickley. I heard some unusual things on the Anderson Cooper program at 10:00 PM last night about what's going on out there. BF :mad::(:grouphug::hug::hug:

Brokenfriend 05-13-2010 06:57 PM

Those darn oil people. Three different companies involved where pointing fingers at the other companys while speaking to the congress.:mad: Other Companies are learning how to dodge the bullet while speaking to the congress.:mad: BF:mad:

waves 05-25-2010 10:11 AM

a couple of my friends are going down to the keys for their anniversary. they pretty much go every year. i told them, enjoy ... while you still can. :o

i couldn't help thinking about this. it's not making headline news any more. but they still haven't fixed it from what i have seen on the internet.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...SxVPAD9FTT9S80
By GREG BLUESTEIN and MATT BROWN (AP) – 1 hour ago

Quote:

BP is pinning its hopes of stopping the gusher on yet another technique never tested 5,000 feet underwater: a "top kill," in which heavy mud and cement would be shot into the well to plug it up.
...
The top kill has proven successful in aboveground wells in Kuwait and Iraq, but has never before been tried a mile beneath the sea. Company executives peg its chances of success at 60 to 70 percent.
...
The only certain permanent solution is a pair of relief wells crews have already started drilling, but the task could take at least two months.
~ waves ~

Mari 05-25-2010 11:50 AM

Hi,

I tune in the news for a few minutes three times a week in order to catch what is happening.

I saw the CEO of BP talking about the 60%-70%. What a mess.
Today engineers are running diagnostic tests to see if they can do that "top kill." BP still has more options after that.
We are still looking at August for them to drill a new relief well.

BP is spraying a detergent into the deep waters.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/brea...-94730904.html

Oil Dispersants an Environmental "Crapshoot" By KARI HUUS
Updated 10:15 PM PDT, Mon, May 24, 2010

Quote:

In the Deepwater Horizon accident, the response team has used more than 670,000 gallons of chemical dispersants as of Friday — far surpassing any previous use in the United States. Most of it has been sprayed from airplanes, but the Deepwater Horizon response team also has applied at least 55,000 gallons in a completely untested way — injecting it at the well’s leaking riser, some 5,000 feet below the surface.

Dear Waves,
Regarding your friends in Key West:
It might be quieter than usual in the keys this year.
Florida Tourism officials say it will take two years and millions of dollars of advertising to recover from the spill.

M.

Theta Z 05-27-2010 12:18 AM

Thanks, Mari and Waves for the updates & excellent links.
Like you, Mari, I've chosen 'measured doses' of various news sources 2-3 times during the week, e.g. when I'm not already feeling exhausted, overwhelmed on other fronts I've been busy with in the past few weeks.

I just watched it on BBC News tonight on PBS, which was a good change for me.

The Top Fill of dense mud and cement ... this proposed dense mess also is to include such environmental goodies, i.e. ground-up old tires and old golf balls. (Golfballs? Really?) This is real high-tech, eh? Wow.

I find it hard to not imagine the marine life 'harvesting' a golf ball lunch,
to wash down with its faux-sashimi appetizers of glittery gems of pretty oil, resulting in the deep water dispersant release, described above. The marine life mistake it for food as they're swimming through it.
Oh, {{{{ s-i-g-h }}}} ... deep breaths. (Ah, smell that oil.)

Apologies. Apparently, I'm more tired & stressed than I thought I was.

Best to you each and all.

waves 05-27-2010 11:28 AM

Dear Theta Z

no need to apologize. your post gave me a good chuckle. ;) not that the situation is funny - i just like the way you express yourself.

i hope you feel better soon. :hug:

~ waves ~

waves 05-27-2010 07:26 PM

link to full article: USF researchers confirm massive underwater plume from gulf oil spill

By Craig Pittman and Katie Sanders, Times Staff Writers
Posted: May 27, 2010 01:23 PM

Quote:

The research vessel Weatherbird II was dispatched on Saturday to take samples in the DeSoto Canyon, a deep valley that cuts through the continental shelf south of the Florida Panhandle. In the canyon, an upwelling of nutrient-rich water means far more fish and other species swim there. The plume was near the canyon.
this confirms earlier reports of such phenomena by research vessel Pelican.

Brokenfriend 05-27-2010 09:06 PM

It's a major disaster,and I look at the news about this oil gushing into the Gulf on a regular basis. The President is going to be there tomorrow.

It's turned apart of the Gulf into a dead sea. There is curruption involved,and this should be treated as a criminal case. Greed. This is disgusting.

The wild life in a few areas are gone. Even insects have left these areas. I hope that we don't have any hurricanes in that area any time soon.

I care about the marsh lands. So much life,and a food chain is disrupted. Birds,turtles,fish,dolfins,clams,and etc. are dieing. They can't breath in that mess that is coming to the coast.

We don't even know how deep these oil masses are in those areas. Someone has to stop that oil mess from touching the beaches,and marsh lands. BF:mad:


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