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spouseofpcs 08-29-2010 05:41 AM

Need Suggestions for Neck/Shoulder Tightness
 
Hello group I'm looking for suggestions to help my wife. Her neck/shoulder muscles get tight/stiff/pain if she is under stress or pushes herself too much when she is fatigued. The result of neck/shoulder pain then causes headaches, pressure behind eyes(maybe just one eye), light sensetivity, etc.

What can be done help her relieve of herself of neck/shoulder pain?

Also, has anyone else since their concussion also experience more neck/shoulder tightness/pain?

Why is this? what have you done to help it? does it go away?

Any stories, suggestions, would be greatly helpful.

Mike

Tralee 08-29-2010 09:39 AM

Dear Mike,

My daughter got her concussion in a ski accident and she also hurt her neck and shoulder in the same accident.

I wonder if your wife also hurt her neck and/or shoulder when she got the concussion? Do you think she may have sprained something in her neck/shoulder when she hit her head? Like a whiplash injury?

I have had a whiplash injury myself from a car accident. Your wife may find some relief taking Alleve or Motrin today.

Also massage the tight muscles. If she can get an appt for a massage somewhere today that may help her feel better right away. I also find accupunture helps.

I find relief with ice and cold compresses....others prefer heat.

I would suggest making an appt with an orthopedic doctor asap to evaluate her neck and shoulder. She may benefit from physical therapy or meds.

Hope she feels better,









Quote:

Originally Posted by spouseofpcs (Post 689568)
Hello group I'm looking for suggestions to help my wife. Her neck/shoulder muscles get tight/stiff/pain if she is under stress or pushes herself too much when she is fatigued. The result of neck/shoulder pain then causes headaches, pressure behind eyes(maybe just one eye), light sensetivity, etc.

What can be done help her relieve of herself of neck/shoulder pain?

Also, has anyone else since their concussion also experience more neck/shoulder tightness/pain?

Why is this? what have you done to help it? does it go away?

Any stories, suggestions, would be greatly helpful.

Mike


eponagirl 08-29-2010 11:56 AM

Mike, I am an experienced professional massage therapist, who also has PCS. When the bike rack came down on your wife's head, the impact also jarred her neck and perhaps even her shoulder.

The muscles of your upper back attach up into your head, so the two are connected directly. She may even have a whiplash type of injury, where the head goes forward and back rapidly and potentially moves the brain within the skull too.

I have treated this many times and experienced it myself. It takes time to heal, sometimes months or even years depending on the severity and how you go about treating it. I am experiencing shoulder/neck/head tightness and pain myself since my accident in March.

Things that could help:
Use an ice pack on the neck and base of head for about 15-20 min. You can also alternate with a heat pack.

Massage is the best thing for muscle tightness. The pain she feels behind her eye(s) is most likely referred pain from the muscle tightness, it is common to experience this and will go away when you do get the muscles to relax.

As long as there is not swelling inside her skull, you can take 2 tennis balls and tie them into a sock, then have her lay on the floor with her head resting on the tennis balls. You find the widest part of her ear and trace that place to the back of her head, that is where you place the tennis balls...her forehead will be higher than her chin.

Work up to 10-15 minutes, starting with a minute or two. It may be slightly uncomfortable as her head relaxes and makes changes as the muscles, etc find their way back to what is correct. Or, she may not feel anything at all, but more relaxed. Either is normal.

If possible I would recommend finding a local massage therapist who has experience with treating whiplash symptoms. All the muscles in her neck, shoulders, and back will need to be worked on, preferably once or twice per week, even if that means doing 1/2 hr sessions only to get the consistancy in.

Another fabulous option is to find a really good cranial sacral therapist...their work, if done properly, has the best benefit for PCS as far as bodywork is concerned. It is very gentle, but can be quite profound.

She can also use the tennis balls by rolling on the them to loosen her upper back. She can roll on the tennis balls with the groove between the them on her spine, so there is no pressure directly to the spine.
Tender spots are the ones that need it most. If she finds one, just rest on the tennis balls for approx 30 seconds and just have her breathe through to her tolerance.

Physical therapy is usually covered under insurance and they can help alot and assess her particular situation. Alot of physical therapists are now doing craniosacral therapy, so you try to find one that does this as well.

Yes, this will go away...perhaps in a couple weeks or longer, just depends on the severity she personally has.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Perhaps this will help others too.

eponagirl 08-29-2010 12:02 PM

Oh, also check her pillow situation. I was making my neck and shoulders worse by sleeping on my side with my head too high on pillows, thus contracting my neck too much over nite.

I just got a new pillow, called a tri-core orthopedic pillow. It's helped alot!

BeccaP 08-29-2010 12:10 PM

I had neck problems also, a contoured memory foam pillow helps, upper cervical chiropractic helped alot. Icing and Ibuprofen are helpful at times. Good luck!

spouseofpcs 08-29-2010 12:56 PM

Eponagirl..

Thank you for your great response. We have a appt with her Primary Care doc tomorrow and was going to ask about physical therapy. The stiffness and pain in the neck isn't always there the past 3 months but it comes when stress, over exertion, etc.

I don't exactly get the following technique. (You find the widest part of her ear and trace that place to the back of her head). Can you try another way? I'll try reading again later in the day

Mike in Maine
SpouseofPCS



As long as there is not swelling inside her skull, you can take 2 tennis balls and tie them into a sock, then have her lay on the floor with her head resting on the tennis balls. You find the widest part of her ear and trace that place to the back of her head, that is where you place the tennis balls...her forehead will be higher than her chin.

Work up to 10-15 minutes, starting with a minute or two. It may be slightly uncomfortable as her head relaxes and makes changes as the muscles, etc find their way back to what is correct. Or, she may not feel anything at all, but more relaxed. Either is normal.

spouseofpcs 08-29-2010 12:57 PM

BeccaP,

Any suggestions in a good place to get one? Is this something I could get at walmart/target?

Mike
SpouseofPCS

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeccaP (Post 689684)
I had neck problems also, a contoured memory foam pillow helps, upper cervical chiropractic helped alot. Icing and Ibuprofen are helpful at times. Good luck!


spouseofpcs 08-29-2010 01:08 PM

Where did you buy the pillow?

Quote:

Originally Posted by eponagirl (Post 689680)
Oh, also check her pillow situation. I was making my neck and shoulders worse by sleeping on my side with my head too high on pillows, thus contracting my neck too much over nite.

I just got a new pillow, called a tri-core orthopedic pillow. It's helped alot!


Mark in Idaho 08-29-2010 07:32 PM

I've had lots of problems with neck and shoulder tension/spasm. I found relief with a Physical Therapist using myofascial release techniques.

As others have said, a concussion also impacts the neck and shoulders since the head is connected to them. These problems are often left undiagnosed. It is odd that medical professionals are so prone to forget this basic anatomy.

You said, <Her neck/shoulder muscles get tight/stiff/pain if she is under stress or pushes herself too much when she is fatigued.>

This is also a good way to receive information from the brain/body. She may need your help is determining when she needs to slow down or stop and activity. The best skill to learn after a PCS causing concussion is when to limit effort/stress. You can help her by watching her eyes and facial expressions. You will likely notice her starting to get spacey eyed.

She needs to learn to live with her current brain condition before she can give it the rest to try to recover to her previous brain condition. Every time she over does it, she had gone backwards a few days in her recovery. She needs to learn how to avoid these over stress situations so she can link as many good days together as possible.

Think of her brain as a strained muscle. If she keeps re-straining it, it will never get a chance to heal.


Give her your explicit permission to slow down and rest. You may even need to make an effort to prevent her from over-doing it. You efforts will be rewarded with her improvement. The improvement will likely be very slow at first. As she get consistent at not over-doing it, her healing may speed up.

Do not be tempted to return to previous levels of activity prematurely.

Time may heal most wounds, but it takes lots of time to partially heal brain injuries.

My best to you

spouseofpcs 08-29-2010 08:44 PM

Mark in Idaho,

We are getting better in not over doing it. Before if she had a "good" day or portion of the day the we were both eager for her to do more. I like the advice to string a few good days together.

It is tough to do this even tougher when we have two young kids (2 and 6). We have been both guilty of pushing too much. I have learned to become more patient. This forum has helped a lot. I'm glad I found it.

I'm going back to work this week (teacher) and I'm going to work something out with school so that I can drop the youngest at daycare so my wife doesn't need to drive. All will she need to is help get 6yr old ready for school which should be doable.

She felt "good" last night but decided to stay instead of joining the family at the park. Today was a little better.

She still gets very fatigued and mentally overwhelmed easily. The tension in the neck/shoulders return if she does too much. I think she is getting better at ready the signs and realizes when she needs to take a break which may include a nap.

We are hoping that since both kids (and I) are back to work or school this week that life slows down for her and can do what and when she wants during the day.

We are going to ask for physical therapy tomorrow at her Primary care doc appointment. We ordered from amazon the tri-core cervical pillow.

This is the most frustrating thing we have been through and I am very impressed she is emotionally doing so well for so long.

Mike in Maine
SpouseofPCS

PCSLearner 08-30-2010 11:16 AM

These are all fantastic suggestions. I would just like to add that, as you probably already know, the injured brain has problems reacting appropriately to stress. Your wife may benefit from stress reduction techniques (yoga, focused breathing, etc). This might help her deal more effectively with stress so that it doesn't get transferred to her neck and shoulders.

spouseofpcs 08-30-2010 01:30 PM

Time to get Wii Fitness out of the closet. It has a yoga setting. Maybe that would help. She can do it in the quiet of our house.


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Originally Posted by PCSLearner (Post 690003)
These are all fantastic suggestions. I would just like to add that, as you probably already know, the injured brain has problems reacting appropriately to stress. Your wife may benefit from stress reduction techniques (yoga, focused breathing, etc). This might help her deal more effectively with stress so that it doesn't get transferred to her neck and shoulders.


nancys 08-30-2010 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeccaP (Post 689684)
I had neck problems also, a contoured memory foam pillow helps, upper cervical chiropractic helped alot. Icing and Ibuprofen are helpful at times. Good luck!

I'll second upper cervical chiropractic. It's been really helpful for my daughter.

My daughter's biofeedback person recommended that we check out the book:
Pain Free: A Revolutionary Method for Stopping Chronic Pain by Pete Egoscue

It has a lot of really great suggestions for stretching different parts of the body for different types of pain. The few I have tried have really been helpful for some of my chronic issues that I have. For my chronic neck/shoulder tightness (not head injury related), a good massage from PT is always good. I've got a guy that is a Rolfer and I find that helpful as well.

BeccaP 09-01-2010 09:18 AM

I'm glad you found a good pillow.

The pillow helps me with maintenance, it hasn't fixed a problem. It may be worthwhile to check out upper cervical chiropractic, physical therapy or massage therapy.

It sounds like you're doing a great job helping your lady through this, keep up the good work! We all know it isn't easy...

Good luck!

Grady Lady 09-02-2010 01:48 PM

Hi Mike in Maine,

I too am a teacher but with PCS, fell in March, and not returning to work this fall because of it.

What I have discovered from this forum is the importance of rest and more rest.

Having little ones can be exhausting even without PCS.
It's sooo good the youngest will be attending childcare because this will give your wife some much needed alone time without anyone tugging on her.

Tell your wife to forget about keeping house, being home alone she might be tempted - mine dusted up around me the first couple of months and in time I had the strength, but no the motivation in the beginning to even consider it's existence. It stares at you, begging. I closed my eyes and took the advise of the gang here and rested.

I also had neck and shoulder pain because I fell stepping into the tub and fell backwards hitting my skull on the toilet. I have been seeing a chiropractor and have received some relief.

Truly REST is the soundest advise. Tell her to embrace this solitude, it is life giving.
Peace

spouseofpcs 09-02-2010 08:36 PM

BeccaP,

I'm trying to stay positive. Though some days it is difficult especially if my wife has a set back. We are trying to keep a positive spin on it and still have hope that she can make recover in due time. It is been a long 3 months but a lot of progress has been made. The difficult times is when she has a set back with has taken days or weeks to improve. The first set back was a month into this situation when she tried to return to work. By the 4th day it was too much and all her symptoms returned. It took a good 3 weeks to get back to where she was prior to trying to return to week. She then had a good few days and had a "minor" setback but is improving.

She can from complete bed rest and pain to this past week be able to drive our daughter school 5 mins away and return home to rest and relax.

She still gets head pressure, headaches and neck/shoulder tightness if she exerts herself too much.

Mike in Maine
SpouseofPCS

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeccaP (Post 690759)
I'm glad you found a good pillow.

The pillow helps me with maintenance, it hasn't fixed a problem. It may be worthwhile to check out upper cervical chiropractic, physical therapy or massage therapy.

It sounds like you're doing a great job helping your lady through this, keep up the good work! We all know it isn't easy...

Good luck!


spouseofpcs 09-02-2010 08:40 PM

Grady Lady,

I'm a teacher also. My schedule allows me to help with the kids in the morning and return in time when they return from school or daycare.

She is liking the peace and quiet during the day...for now.

She has found the love of painting again. She has been painting glasses and vases and sold a few this past week. I think this has made her feel good.

The cost of daycare is worth it for now so she can rest, rest and rest.

Best of luck in your recovery

Mike in Maine
SpouseofPCS



Quote:

Originally Posted by Grady Lady (Post 691210)
Hi Mike in Maine,

I too am a teacher but with PCS, fell in March, and not returning to work this fall because of it.

What I have discovered from this forum is the importance of rest and more rest.

Having little ones can be exhausting even without PCS.
It's sooo good the youngest will be attending childcare because this will give your wife some much needed alone time without anyone tugging on her.

Tell your wife to forget about keeping house, being home alone she might be tempted - mine dusted up around me the first couple of months and in time I had the strength, but no the motivation in the beginning to even consider it's existence. It stares at you, begging. I closed my eyes and took the advise of the gang here and rested.

I also had neck and shoulder pain because I fell stepping into the tub and fell backwards hitting my skull on the toilet. I have been seeing a chiropractor and have received some relief.

Truly REST is the soundest advise. Tell her to embrace this solitude, it is life giving.
Peace


BeccaP 09-03-2010 06:50 AM

Prior to my injury I was a very social person, loved to talk to and be around people. Post injury I was so overwhelmed I just couldn't handle anything and spent most of my time alone in my room. Standing and talking to people was a nightmare, I could hardly even hold my head up when sitting. I couldn't tolerate the sounds and motion of my children (11, 7 and 4).

It has slowly improved over the months. I'm starting to feel more like myself at the one year mark. The progress has been slow but it is there. I had to learn to look at my progress in terms of months, if I thought of days or weeks it was so depressing. It is terribly frustrating. I had to just let my house (and many other things) go. When I was out of my room I learned to ignore it. Rest and low stress were and are critical. Trying to do too much equals feeling worse. I try to be careful now that I understand that.

I think it is great you found this site to support you, as you support your wife. Hang in there! :-)

Grady Lady 09-08-2010 09:43 AM

Ah Mike, so glad to hear your wife is settling in - to the quiet.

When I read about her renewed love for painting, it sparked something inside me.

Within the last 2 weeks, several people have suggested painting to me, one has even emailed me to say, she found some art supplies at a yard sale, would I like them?

While I was in catholic school back in the 60's, art was not included in the curriculum, hence I have never ventured forth in that field.

Tell your wife, I am accepting the art supplies! We shall paint together in the quiet of our homes.

Mike, as you know as a teacher, "teachable moments" open doors to places unexpected.

I am walking through this new door, keeping your wife in my:Heart:

Peace
Grady Lady
Quote:

Originally Posted by spouseofpcs (Post 691318)
Grady Lady,

I'm a teacher also. My schedule allows me to help with the kids in the morning and return in time when they return from school or daycare.

She is liking the peace and quiet during the day...for now.

She has found the love of painting again. She has been painting glasses and vases and sold a few this past week. I think this has made her feel good.

The cost of daycare is worth it for now so she can rest, rest and rest.

Best of luck in your recovery

Mike in Maine
SpouseofPCS


missrenee 08-05-2014 02:36 PM

Vitamin D Deficient?
 
Hi. I'm trying to make the rounds and post my experience with similar symptoms that you described in hopes of helping those suffering from what I was recently suffering from. I am a 30 year old mother of two who is active and involved with raising my kids while my husband works. Just a month ago I started to notice SEVERE tension in my neck, back, shoulders, and head. I had some spasms throughout my chest area which was also very sore and sensitive. My skin was slightly tingly and I had some numbness in my hands and toes. My inner ear area was also beginning to get "sensitive". I assumed that my dislocated C1 & C2 from a car accident 18 years ago was the cause even though it never did anything like this over an 18 year period. I scheduled multiple appointments with my primary doctor, cardiologist, and neurologist. I just knew I would be told I was either suffering from chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, heart disease, lupus, or some form of cancer. I honestly felt that I would be dying in a day or two and at one point picked up the phone to call 911. Instead, I took Ibuprofen, calmed down, and waited until my doc appointment with my primary doc the next day. My doc immediately told me I was probably Vitamin D deficient and told me to take 400 IUs of Vitamin D each day. My doc also had my blood tested for heart, kidney, liver, thyroid, white blood cell count, anemia, etc. After doubting my doc and waiting for the worse, positive test results, I immediately started taking my over-the-counter Vitamin D anyway. After four days of regularly taking my daily 400 IUs of Vitamin D, drinking my BMI's daily amount of water, I immediately noticed a difference. I could stand, walk, play, laugh, and basically do everything that I had been doing again. Within that time my test results came back negative for any conditions and my levels were actually showing I was very healthy. Feeling too happy about it, I took my health for granted and missed two days of taking my Vitamin D which caused some of my symptoms to come right back. Since then I have not forgotten to take my daily Vitamin D as a female and also drink my daily amount of water. I am sharing so that others who are suffering from symptoms similar to mine, can speak with their primary care physician to see if they are also Vitamin D deficient. Though I still live with a stressful life that causes me to forget to lower my shoulders and relax, the other major symptoms I was experiencing were so horrible, I couldn't help but share what made me feel extremely better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by spouseofpcs (Post 691318)
Grady Lady,

I'm a teacher also. My schedule allows me to help with the kids in the morning and return in time when they return from school or daycare.

She is liking the peace and quiet during the day...for now.

She has found the love of painting again. She has been painting glasses and vases and sold a few this past week. I think this has made her feel good.

The cost of daycare is worth it for now so she can rest, rest and rest.

Best of luck in your recovery

Mike in Maine
SpouseofPCS


Mark in Idaho 08-05-2014 06:51 PM

missrenee,

Welcome to NeuroTalk.

You responded to a thread that has been inactive since 9/8/10.

We frequently talk of the need for proper vitamin D levels. Many with shoulder tension have experienced injuries to those areas when they suffered their concussion, especially if it was an auto accident.

btw, Many of us have a difficult time reading long paragraphs. It helps to have a double space every five lines or so.


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