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Kitty 12-06-2010 10:10 AM

Passing This Disease On
 
After my dx the first thing I thought of was "have I passed this stuff on to my kids?". My Neuro at the time tried to calm my fears by telling me that it really isn't something that can be "given" to anyone. I've started to question this.

My oldest son has had some pretty strange sx in the past several years. Nothing that has prevented him from working or doing whatever he wants to do.....but they all sound strangely familiar to me......and it's scary.

He's had the "phantom" feeling of something wet on his leg, cognitive issues like not being able to recall a word, and that thing when you bend your neck forward and have the feeling of vibration in your torso (see....I can't even recall the name of it myself! :rolleyes:).

I try not to be an alarmist about it but cannot help but think that there is something "brewing".....just like it was for me when I started having strange sx years and years before I was officially dx with MS. I had sx for probably a good 20 years before I had the "exacerbation from heck" that earned me my dx of MS.

Anyone else here worry that you might have passed on this terrible disease (unknowingly) to your children? Anyone already have a child that has been dx with MS and did the Neuro say it was an heriditary thing?

kicker 12-06-2010 11:11 AM

I think about it, but know there's nothing I can do and worry never helped anything. BUT every time the kids mention a discomfort my fear flares. Then I calm down as I realize - that's a cold or sleeping in the car aches during Senior Prank night.
I was 46 when DXed, a very healthy active kid and adult, but the worry flares up on occasion. When I feel down, I always think "but better me than one of my kids." I still want to keep them safe every moment but know life won't let me. Being a a Mom is hard enough, being a Mom with MS is really hard.

mrsD 12-06-2010 11:21 AM

I know it has to be worrying to you, and would be for me too and other mothers.

But all of those early signs could be a simple explanation. B12 deficiency or low levels. In fact B12 can mimic MS quite a bit in other ways too.

So you could get him some methyl form for Xmas, and ask him to use one a day on an empty stomach, and see if those feelings go away.

That "water pouring down the leg" feeling I HAVE and it comes from my MP.
Tight belts or tight pants, or sitting on back pocket wallet in males can cause this all by itself with no MS history.

That water feeling is common in neuropathies caused by many things.

Kitty 12-06-2010 11:38 AM

Thanks, MrsD. I currently take B12 in a liquid form.....the kind you put under your tongue and let sit for 30 seconds. It's 500 mcg per dose and I take 1 dropper full first thing in the A.M. on an empty stomach. I can't really tell it's helping me much (I've been taking it for my balance issues) but maybe I haven't taken it long enough. Can I take more than the recommended dosage?

I'm going to get DS some for Christmas! :)

mrsD 12-06-2010 11:52 AM

500mcg is not really enough. And if it is Cyano form and you can't convert it to active methylB12, (you wouldn't know this without a special DNA test), then it won't work.

I'd get the methyl form, 5mg daily on an empty stomach. Under the tongue is not really necessary.

B12 has to be absorbed passively in people with no intrinsic factor or some failure like that. 500mcg is not enough for those folks, since so little gets thru by passive absorption.

It is really not expensive. Puritan's pride now has it, and has those sales all the time! Methylcobalamin.

Kitty 12-06-2010 12:09 PM

Thanks, Mrsd. I just ordered some from Puritan's Pride. They were out of the 5,000 mcg microlozenges so I got the 1,000 mcg dosage. Both dosages say to take 1 microlozenge per day but will that be enough if it's just the 1,000 mcg? It's so confising to know how much to take. Plus, my DS is much larger than I am. He's about 6'2 and weighs about 225. Not fat but muscular. I'm about 5'7 (maybe 5'8) and weigh about 144.

mrsD 12-06-2010 02:32 PM

I must have bought them all up on the last sale! I stocked up for 6months! LOL

Start at 2mg and see what happens. The optic neuritis is the thing I worry about for you... low B12 gives a similar optic symptom.
When severe, it leads to blindness.

If your son eats meat, and seems robust in other ways, no numbness in the feet, or severe fatigue things like that,
1mg a day should be enough to start. Once rebuilt up, most don't need the 5mg ...1mg is enough. But without testing you don't really know where you or he is. But if he uses heartburn drugs every day, he could well be getting low, as those block B12 absorption from food.

It is non toxic and inexpensive and so people can do it themselves. Not much else exists that is this easy and cheap.

Kitty 12-06-2010 03:07 PM

Since I decided to hijack my own thread :o I thought I'd repost the original question! Thanks for your help, MrsD. :)

After my dx the first thing I thought of was "have I passed this stuff on to my kids?". My Neuro at the time tried to calm my fears by telling me that it really isn't something that can be "given" to anyone. I've started to question this.

My oldest son has had some pretty strange sx in the past several years. Nothing that has prevented him from working or doing whatever he wants to do.....but they all sound strangely familiar to me......and it's scary.

He's had the "phantom" feeling of something wet on his leg, cognitive issues like not being able to recall a word, and that thing when you bend your neck forward and have the feeling of vibration in your torso (see....I can't even recall the name of it myself! ).

I try not to be an alarmist about it but cannot help but think that there is something "brewing".....just like it was for me when I started having strange sx years and years before I was officially dx with MS. I had sx for probably a good 20 years before I had the "exacerbation from heck" that earned me my dx of MS.

Anyone else here worry that you might have passed on this terrible disease (unknowingly) to your children? Anyone already have a child that has been dx with MS and did the Neuro say it was an heriditary thing?

SallyC 12-06-2010 03:32 PM

Get him on a steady diet of LDN, right away!! It won't hurt, unless he's allergic and it could just save him from the MS getting a stranglehold.:hug::hug:

My DD is on it and it's keeping hers at bay. She is still in MS deniel, but she calls me to renew her LDN and doesn't miss taking it..;)

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Originally Posted by Kitty (Post 723030)
After my dx the first thing I thought of was "have I passed this stuff on to my kids?". My Neuro at the time tried to calm my fears by telling me that it really isn't something that can be "given" to anyone. I've started to question this.

My oldest son has had some pretty strange sx in the past several years. Nothing that has prevented him from working or doing whatever he wants to do.....but they all sound strangely familiar to me......and it's scary.

He's had the "phantom" feeling of something wet on his leg, cognitive issues like not being able to recall a word, and that thing when you bend your neck forward and have the feeling of vibration in your torso (see....I can't even recall the name of it myself! :rolleyes:).

I try not to be an alarmist about it but cannot help but think that there is something "brewing".....just like it was for me when I started having strange sx years and years before I was officially dx with MS. I had sx for probably a good 20 years before I had the "exacerbation from heck" that earned me my dx of MS.

Anyone else here worry that you might have passed on this terrible disease (unknowingly) to your children? Anyone already have a child that has been dx with MS and did the Neuro say it was an heriditary thing?


Kitty 12-06-2010 05:13 PM

But your DD has a definite dx of MS, doesn't she, Sally?

Mariel 12-06-2010 06:10 PM

The big question never answered in my family. I have three older (deceased) relatives who
had either a definite MS diagnosis or a suspected one (these suspected people were WAY
back, like great grandma). Because I do have a genetic disease, Porphyria, which is one of the many which mimic MS neurological problems, I may or may not have MS, but my dx has not been rescinded, as I had the positive MRI and eye tests when I had Optic Neuritis, and many symptoms during the decades before diagnosis. I have been on the Swank diet for over a quarter of a century and I know it has kept me functioning, but now I have other things like Polycythemia Vera which give me foot neuropathy.

So it's a mystery who in my family has it. My son doesn't show any signs to me.

SallyC 12-06-2010 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitty (Post 723157)
But your DD has a definite dx of MS, doesn't she, Sally?

Yes, but she still has doubts. She stopped her LDN and her prozac a few years ago and had an exacerbation. Needless to say, she went back on both and hasn't had another flare since. (Praying, crossing fingers & toes and knocking loudly on wood).

Debbie D 12-06-2010 10:54 PM

Ackkk!!! I ALWAYS worry about this!! DS35 has "thinning retinas"...makes me worry, since I read something that states that this is a sign of MS.

So, do we make our children worry? Or listen to them, chart in our minds their sxs and make suggestions when it seems apparent that they should see a neuro?

That is the $64K question...:(

Kitty 12-07-2010 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Debbie D (Post 723232)
Ackkk!!! I ALWAYS worry about this!! DS35 has "thinning retinas"...makes me worry, since I read something that states that this is a sign of MS.

So, do we make our children worry? Or listen to them, chart in our minds their sxs and make suggestions when it seems apparent that they should see a neuro?

That is the $64K question...:(

I try really hard not to act alarmed when he asks me about certain things....like the day he described the feeling of something wet on his lower leg. It's a familiar feeling to me when I'm in a flare. I know there are other reasons for it but the "Mom" in me always thinks the worst! :rolleyes:

doydie 12-07-2010 12:13 AM

In our family we have an over abundance of auto immune disorders. I guess MS is the one I got, plus psoriasis. I do think that the tendency to have an illness can be in a family but who knows how far back it goes.

Snoopy 12-07-2010 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitty (Post 723030)
and that thing when you bend your neck forward and have the feeling of vibration in your torso (see....I can't even recall the name of it myself! :rolleyes:).

It's called L'Hermittes. L'Hermittes has different causes such as B-12 defiency, nerve impringment at the c-spine as well as other things.

Your concern is understandable, I think all of us with children worry and wonder.

I would certainly gently encourage your son to see his PCP for some bloodwork and then maybe go from there.

Blessings2You 12-07-2010 07:14 PM

My Dad had MS. He passed away a few years before my diagnosis, so he never had to wonder if or suspect that he "gave" it to me.

My daughter has described symptoms that send chills down my spine. However, I keep telling myself that some COULD be carpal tunnel syndrome, some COULD be many other things. Lots of people are "clumsy" or have balance issues. Still...

My daughter is the least suggestible person I know as far as "maybe I have that", but I'm sure the thought has crossed her mind. We don't talk about the possibility of MS, though I probably have teeth marks on my tongue.

ali12 12-07-2010 08:24 PM

As some of you may know, my nanan had MS since she was 38 years old (she's sadly passed away now).

My mum was having symptoms like your sons at the end / beginning of this year. She had numbness in her hand for weeks and kept feeling dizzy and fatigued.

I begged her to go to the Doctors but she wouldn't listen. She's kinda stubborn like that ... wont tell anyone she's ill but complains if I wont, lol!:rolleyes:

After a few months thankfully, her symptoms lessended and at the moment, they have gone completely. She has said that she will go to the Doctors now if they return ... think it scared her especially with my nanans history.

I do hope your son feels better soon. Most of my family on my mums side have a neurological condition (I have Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy, Nanan had MS, Uncle had Parkinsons disease etc) so it does make you wonder if they could be hereditary.

Try and not worry ... i'm sure it's easier said than done!:rolleyes: I agree with what the others said, get your son to visit his Doctor ... better to be on the safe side!

Take care and let us know how things go!

Riverwild 12-07-2010 09:04 PM

Hey Kitty! I'm reporting me to you for this highjack!

HI ALI!! :)

SallyC 12-07-2010 09:49 PM

ME TOO....Hi Ali and Hi Missy River..:D

Kitty 12-07-2010 11:01 PM

Hey to both of you (River and Ali)!! Where in the world have ya'll been? :confused: Good to see you back and posting. :)

River and Sally......one smack on the hand with the ruler for hijacking! :D

kicker 12-08-2010 08:01 AM

I love a good hi-jack.


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