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dmplaura 08-08-2011 05:26 PM

One of my 2 main pains caused by MS, Burning Mouth Syndrome.
 
A PDF which provides an excellent, thorough review of BMS (Burning Mouth Syndrome).

As this is one of my 2 main daily MS symptoms that doesn't go into remission (thus requires medication, other methods to ease pain) and I know others have reported also having BMS with Multiple Sclerosis, I hope this helps for those who have not found thorough information about a very difficult condition to diagnose and treat.

Hope this helps! :grouphug: Mine's eased by Clonazepam (which is on the list). Seems I'm type 1 according to article.

daisy.girl 08-09-2011 07:47 PM

thanks for this...I too suffer with BMS!

dmplaura 08-09-2011 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by daisy.girl (Post 794386)
thanks for this...I too suffer with BMS!

I remember we'd talked about the pains before :hug: When did you recall yours beginning? Did you find a way that works for you to ease the discomfort?

Mine's been around since July 07 (if memory serves me correctly). Today was a more painful day than most. Think I'm working too much and need to slow down.

SallyC 08-09-2011 09:04 PM

I don't suffer from BMS but wanted to send you kids some hugs and well wishes..:hug::hug:

daisy.girl 08-09-2011 09:54 PM

I have had the burning mouth for about a year now. Can't imagine having it as long as you! Mine is not as bad in the mornings, but by the afternoon, it is killing me. Ice water feels wonderful, and if I miss a dose of my Neurontin....it gets worse!!

dmplaura 08-10-2011 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by daisy.girl (Post 794418)
I have had the burning mouth for about a year now. Can't imagine having it as long as you! Mine is not as bad in the mornings, but by the afternoon, it is killing me. Ice water feels wonderful, and if I miss a dose of my Neurontin....it gets worse!!

I'm the same with Clonazepam.. I tried to cut back to .5mg daily (I'm at .75mg daily now) and the burning came back full force.

Yesterday the pain was through the roof, honestly. Think I 'overdid' it and caused a flare up.

I find that Stride peppermint gum (their b12+b6 gum as well, "Kinetic Mint") eases my BMS tremendously.

I tried to 'pin' the BMS on something for years that triggered it (medications, dental work, allergies, etc) and can't find ANY cause, save for what neuros have told me: Brain stem lesion. Seeing as how I suffer from Trigeminal Neuralgia as well, affecting the nerves into the head/face, it certainly makes sense that MS caused 'wiring' damage, thus the BMS.

I had my vitamin etc levels fully checked, checked for every A/I disease possible, various other blood work/investigation. All came out 'healthy', save for the MS.

Such a frustrating condition to 'guess' it's the MS.. but then again, doctors and neurologists play the 'guessing game' with the McDonald's criteria daily to diagnose MS. So much uncertainty with this disease.

Thank you Sally you're awesome! :hug:

bobbieoma54 12-12-2011 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dmplaura (Post 794535)
I'm the same with Clonazepam.. I tried to cut back to .5mg daily (I'm at .75mg daily now) and the burning came back full force.

Yesterday the pain was through the roof, honestly. Think I 'overdid' it and caused a flare up.

I find that Stride peppermint gum (their b12+b6 gum as well, "Kinetic Mint") eases my BMS tremendously.

I tried to 'pin' the BMS on something for years that triggered it (medications, dental work, allergies, etc) and can't find ANY cause, save for what neuros have told me: Brain stem lesion. Seeing as how I suffer from Trigeminal Neuralgia as well, affecting the nerves into the head/face, it certainly makes sense that MS caused 'wiring' damage, thus the BMS.

I had my vitamin etc levels fully checked, checked for every A/I disease possible, various other blood work/investigation. All came out 'healthy', save for the MS.

Such a frustrating condition to 'guess' it's the MS.. but then again, doctors and neurologists play the 'guessing game' with the McDonald's criteria daily to diagnose MS. So much uncertainty with this disease.

Thank you Sally you're awesome! :hug:

I have MS and burning mouth syndrome. I have had burning mouth since 2008. Some days are worse than other's. It starts to take over your life, I am on Rebif for MS. Some day's it is like my whole body is on fire and is going to ignite. I have found that if I eat foods with hydronation , mostly the partially hydrogenated soy or cottonseed oils make it worse. I had upper dental implants put in in 2008 then started to get burning mouth . The doctors do not know how to treat it. I do not do well on clonazepam or klonopin, neourtin. I have to take temazepam to sleep. I rinse my mouth with benadril liquid with some relief. This is a dreadful syndrome and I wish they knew more about it. I have read some people have had it for 20 years. It is nice to have a place where other people can understand. Thank you

Koala77 12-12-2011 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbieoma54 (Post 831580)
... This is a dreadful syndrome and I wish they knew more about it.....

Hello bobbieoma54, and welcome to NeuroTalk although I'm sorry for the reason that brought you here.

I have MS and although I've never had the symptoms you mentioned here, I do know some-one who did. Here's a website that explains the condition that you might find useful.

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/g..._neuralgia.htm

SallyC 12-12-2011 11:49 AM

Hi Bobbie.:) I am so sorry for your BMS and pain, but glad you found us. I hope you and your Doc can find the right Med for your relief.


Please stay and join us.:hug:

dmplaura 12-19-2011 09:48 PM

Nice to 'meet' you bobbieoma54 :hug: Sorry to hear that this crappy condition brought you here, but glad you posted. It is comforting to know there's others like us out there. Sorry to hear that you aren't able to take certain medications which are traditionally used to treat the condition. Hopefully you'll have a remission of the burning mouth eventually.

dmplaura 12-19-2011 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Koala77 (Post 831614)
Hello bobbieoma54, and welcome to NeuroTalk although I'm sorry for the reason that brought you here.

I have MS and although I've never had the symptoms you mentioned here, I do know some-one who did. Here's a website that explains the condition that you might find useful.

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/g..._neuralgia.htm

I read the description of this, and being someone who suffers from Trigeminal Neuralgia, and knows the 'pain pattern' of TN, I will point out that my burning mouth syndrome is entirely different than this description of Glossopharyngeal Neuralgia.

This is like, type 1 attacks of sudden and stabbing TN pain, only not in the cranial nerve that runs down the face, cheek, ear, neck, rather the nerve 'network' servicing the mouth.

With that in mind, my burning mouth syndrome is much more like "Atypical Trigeminal Neuralgia", in that I'm bilaterally affected, and the burning doesn't stop, except for some mornings when I first wake up and have an hour or so of relief (mild pain) before the pain really starts to return, reaching a crescendo around suppertime/in the early evening. It's there day in, day out, without 'remission'. There's always a degree of pain with my burning mouth syndrome, ever since it began in 2007.

Interesting read, and I can't fathom what Glossopharyngeal Neuralgia must feel like, knowing how dreadfully painful Trigeminal Neuralgia is.

bobbieoma54 08-31-2012 02:47 PM

Thank you
 
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Originally Posted by dmplaura (Post 833874)
I read the description of this, and being someone who suffers from Trigeminal Neuralgia, and knows the 'pain pattern' of TN, I will point out that my burning mouth syndrome is entirely different than this description of Glossopharyngeal Neuralgia.

This is like, type 1 attacks of sudden and stabbing TN pain, only not in the cranial nerve that runs down the face, cheek, ear, neck, rather the nerve 'network' servicing the mouth.

With that in mind, my burning mouth syndrome is much more like "Atypical Trigeminal Neuralgia", in that I'm bilaterally affected, and the burning doesn't stop, except for some mornings when I first wake up and have an hour or so of relief (mild pain) before the pain really starts to return, reaching a crescendo around suppertime/in the early evening. It's there day in, day out, without 'remission'. There's always a degree of pain with my burning mouth syndrome, ever since it began in 2007.

Interesting read, and I can't fathom what Glossopharyngeal Neuralgia must feel like, knowing how dreadfully painful Trigeminal Neuralgia is.

Hi , Thank you for your reply it has been awhile since I have been on this forum. I am still suffering from my burning mouth. It does help to read other posts and to know I am not alone. People without bms and doctors do not understand how debilitating this illness is, sometimes it is all I can think of when it is at its worst. I will try anything to stop the burning I have been taking neruontin it does not stop the burning but helps to fall asleep. I do not eat alot of different foods I stay with the same food all the time which gets boring I love chocolate but it makes the burning so bad also the hydogenated foods which everything good has in it. I have been on my Rebiff for 2 years and has not helped with burning mouth. Maybe someday they will find an answer:winky:

dmplaura 08-31-2012 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbieoma54 (Post 910586)
Hi , Thank you for your reply it has been awhile since I have been on this forum. I am still suffering from my burning mouth. It does help to read other posts and to know I am not alone. People without bms and doctors do not understand how debilitating this illness is, sometimes it is all I can think of when it is at its worst. I will try anything to stop the burning I have been taking neruontin it does not stop the burning but helps to fall asleep. I do not eat alot of different foods I stay with the same food all the time which gets boring I love chocolate but it makes the burning so bad also the hydogenated foods which everything good has in it. I have been on my Rebiff for 2 years and has not helped with burning mouth. Maybe someday they will find an answer:winky:

Chocolate also irritates mine. Chewing mint gum (peppermint specifically) helps to ease mine. Odd!

Low dose Clonazepam (Klonopin) is the only medication I've tried thus far that's helped to keep the dreadful pain under control for the most part. I hope you too can find a solution for the condition. :hug:

Nice to hear from you again, however I am sorry to hear you're still suffering from this too.

Dejibo 09-01-2012 07:27 AM

BMS is one of the things I DONT have! amazing!

I am so sorry that you have suffered with this for so long. I have watched you go from frustrated and painful to confident and able to take control with careful choices and constant care. you have grown so much.

I am sorry you continue to struggle, but so proud of you for continuing to dig for answers. ((hugs))

dmplaura 09-02-2012 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dejibo (Post 910769)
BMS is one of the things I DONT have! amazing!

I am so sorry that you have suffered with this for so long. I have watched you go from frustrated and painful to confident and able to take control with careful choices and constant care. you have grown so much.

I am sorry you continue to struggle, but so proud of you for continuing to dig for answers. ((hugs))

I'm so glad you don't have this Dej, it's horrible. Tough to get into remission from my understanding as well. If it even does go into remission... which can take on average 7 years (!).

I appreciate your kind words and encouragement. While it is frustrating, it's wonderful to connect with others who have MS and BMS. (Not wonderful that others have BMS - as I wouldn't wish this condition on my worst enemy - but I believe anyone with BMS will agree that we all begin our search to find others who also have this condition as it's often so misunderstood, and it's total relief to find others who also have it.)

(((((Hugs)))))) :)

Laura

daisy.girl 09-02-2012 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dmplaura (Post 794535)
I'm the same with Clonazepam.. I tried to cut back to .5mg daily (I'm at .75mg daily now) and the burning came back full force.

I know this is an old post, but I was re-reading it....and all of a sudden realized that I take Clonazepam at the same time as I take my Neurontin, so maybe it has been the Clonazepam that helps all along. (I take 1.5mg daily .5mg 3x a day) But many days I only take two doses.

dmplaura 09-02-2012 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by daisy.girl (Post 911026)
I know this is an old post, but I was re-reading it....and all of a sudden realized that I take Clonazepam at the same time as I take my Neurontin, so maybe it has been the Clonazepam that helps all along. (I take 1.5mg daily .5mg 3x a day) But many days I only take two doses.

I wouldn't be surprised daisy.girl, have you noticed a remarkable decrease in the pain associated with your BMS, or has yours disappeared entirely?

Mine hasn't gone away completely, but some days I really do notice it's barely there, others I have to chew gum as the burning does come through in the background a bit. At 1 mg daily, or 1.5 mg daily, you're most likely getting a good amount to benefit the BMS (reduce the pain of).

Definitely cool if you've found relief from it! :)

daisy.girl 09-03-2012 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dmplaura (Post 911030)
I wouldn't be surprised daisy.girl, have you noticed a remarkable decrease in the pain associated with your BMS, or has yours disappeared entirely?

Mine hasn't gone away completely, but some days I really do notice it's barely there, others I have to chew gum as the burning does come through in the background a bit. At 1 mg daily, or 1.5 mg daily, you're most likely getting a good amount to benefit the BMS (reduce the pain of).

Definitely cool if you've found relief from it! :)

I wish it would disappear entirely!! I hate this feeling, and I think it gives me chronic bad breath!

Mine is better in the morning and worse in early evening. and yes, there are some days that it is much better, and I can go through the early part of the day and it is barely there.

I am so glad to hear that yours is somewhat under control....I know you have really suffered with this.


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