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DiMarie 09-07-2011 09:02 PM

More weather woo's Weather channel alerting!
 
We are having after affects of the storm systems. First the 6 inches of rain from Irene last weekend, now a storm system and remnents of Lee have dropped 9 inches in the last 4 days. Another 2 inches until tomorrow.

The Wyoming Valley is on the verge of mass evacuation again. The Weather channel, Dr. Forbes is fearing the weaken dikes, and then ON SLAUGHT of rains through the night coming from MD, over us in PA, up into NY are a dangerous situation...
Right over the heart of the Susquehanna River...

The flood level is about 20 ft, with a river crest of 40 ft expected. The dikes around the city itself were improved to 41 ft after Agnus flooded the entire valley years ago 1972.

About June 2006 hundreds of thousands were evacuated because the dikes only protect the city. All the outlying community's, towns and boroughs have no protection.
It is still raining out now not much chance of rain to lighten by the morning moving toward NY.

NY is where the Susquehanna River starts...bringing all the heavy rain from there down to us. The streams and creeks already have roads shut down, washed away, or impassable from the deep raging waters over their banks.

I have been so busy with insurance claims, hurried to do 3 today as roadways were being closed behind me. I drove over the river coming home and they started putting the flood gates up where the bridge is covered by water in a few feet.

Just like New Orleans, the dikes raise far above us. So many are spending tonight in shelters with their families wondering if the river will break through, or in the low lying areas if they will have a home to go back to. Trailers parks and cottages along the river are already covered in water.

I am on the Mountain, streams, wet ground from Springs shooting up like fountains, and trees so heavy in the weak ground dirts....mud.

bizi 09-07-2011 11:41 PM

thanks for this update di. sounds scarey. stay safe and out of harms way if you can.sorry you have had to deal with that much rain and hav eot get out in it to work...sigh
bizi

waves 09-08-2011 12:04 AM

i hope you are ok Di. hang in there.
please be careful.

(((hugs)))

~ waves ~

Brokenfriend 09-08-2011 02:33 AM

I wish that we could give some of this rain to Texas. BF:hug::hug::hug:

DiMarie 09-08-2011 08:41 AM

Thanks all, Steve I wish we could too. Started another heavy band now. The entire Wyoming Valley is evacuated.

Already the streams and low lying river areas are under water. The main Interstate across PA I-80 is closed in a section because the river is over the roadways, and every roadway that would be a detour.

I am not in threat of flood to the home on the mountain, but the springs shooting out of the ground and Mt. have me concerned for the landslide and trees falling. The streams running down the mountain to the nearby creek have local roads closed with flash flooding so really can't get further then the local store.
No work today..
Well, dd cyber schools so that will keep us busy for awhile. Let you know how things are later.

bizi 09-08-2011 09:04 AM

when are the rains supposed to stop di?:(

waves 09-08-2011 10:31 AM

((( Di )))

this sounds terrifying. :(

keeping you in my thoughts :circlelove:

~ waves ~

Just Jacquie 09-08-2011 11:45 AM

Di, I've been watching the channel 6 news and weather - it's been awful! I saw near Philly where a river overflow caused a mudslide that closed a major highway. This has been incredible, and more rain is still expected. In NJ, we haven't had quite the rain amounts that they have had in PA, although we have already had about 5 inches...

Stay safe, glad you don't have to work today!

DiMarie 09-08-2011 09:20 PM


Bizi, the heavy inch an hr rain has stopped. We are calling for showers and thunderstorms until TUESDAY. The most threatening storm system to affect us is stuck at the border of PA, DC and MD. YEAH.
I actually saw the sun peak for a bit at sunset!

Haven't moved far from the tv all day watching the flood gates and the flooding of low lying areas.
The major city has levies that are up to 41 ft where the river is to crest. There is gaskets weakening and shoring up with sand and even a payloader against the gate.
Forty Fort is having a major breach on the West Side right now.

The low lying areas where homes were seen going down the river and sticking bridges. Jet skis, boats, cars were going down the river.

Cantorie is in Wilkes Barre, and Ann Thompson is in Forty Fort where the breach is happening.

The crest will happen over night. Praying the flood gate holds, but many parts already have horrific damages, road washed away, even the local fair grounds and Knoebles amusement park are anialiated. The fair grounds are still under water and the fair starts in just over 2 weeks.

Tomorrow dh and I are going to the CEO to help sort food for the shelters. 100,000 people can not go home until at least Saturday. The river has to go below flood stage as to not break through dikes with people there.
Going to try and sleep without watching the river all night. By 2 am the worse rising should be done.
The water shooting out of the mountain has calmed down, still coming up out of the ground and running down the driveway.

I can't even imagine how many insurance claims I am going to have.

bizi 09-08-2011 09:25 PM

this is horrible:(....holding my breath that it all is over as soon as possible.
sigh~
bizi

Mari 09-08-2011 09:28 PM

Dear Di,

Thanks for these updates. I'm happy you are safe. Take care of yourself.

You are generous in your work for the people in shelters. :hug: :hug: :hug:

M

Brokenfriend 09-09-2011 02:45 AM

The worse Hurricane that I ever went through was Hurricane Camille,in 1969 when I was a teenager. It was a category 5 hurricane that achieved winds up to 190 miles per hour.

Areas around the James River didn't crest for a couple of days. Then up it came into the houses around the canal. There where over 200 deaths from this cyclone. BF:hug::hug::hug:

DiMarie 09-09-2011 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brokenfriend (Post 803768)
The worse Hurricane that I ever went through was Hurricane Camille,in 1969 when I was a teenager. It was a category 5 hurricane that achieved winds up to 190 miles per hour.

Areas around the James River didn't crest for a couple of days. Then up it came into the houses around the canal. There where over 200 deaths from this cyclone. BF:hug::hug::hug:

Wow that is crazy winds Steve. I can't even imagine. The event here was the rain from Lee on top of the rain from Irene the week before. Ground, streams and Rivers were full.

The situation this morning revealed how bad things were during the night. The reading from the river broke and the levels of 38.7 ft were so wrong. Actually the crest was 42.66 ft, more then 2 ft higher then Agnus and what the levees were built to protect. People were calling for help during the night in areas that were not to be affected at this height (Agnus 40ft) saying someone in emergency management needed to go look at the river it was wrong.

Then the dikes started breaching, break out of water in the city, and backflowing the streams and creeks into areas never flooded before. THe gov landed near by and was informed of the broken gage, and the power of roaring Susquehanna. It is so loud like a train.

Many roads I need to get out to claims on Monday are washed away, bridges out, and people relocated to shelters.

The only problems we had were run off. The modular home I put in for ds and dgs took some foundation damage. THe springs boiled out of the ground and out of the mountain. The trail they took hit the corner of the concrete pad and supports under it. Where the fill was put back in after consturction washed out.

Ds and dh are down there now digging a trench and directing the water away from the house to a drain we put in during constructions.

People are still evacuated and so many pooling together. Wegmans donated the food for CEO in the area to assist with meals. Clean up kits being put together.

The big concern now is what happen to New Orleans. The dikes breached below. They blew out in weak areas from the pressure of the weight of the water. The integrity is really a concern. They are bandaiding the breaks, but at this point it is holding up.

The army corp engineer said he never say any design or system hold up to this much pressure. So everyone is saying a prayer and crossing fingers at this point.

Jim Cantore is twittering from here today, and Al Roker from Weather Channel was on the air this morning.


Jon Meyer WNEP
BREAKING NEWS: The crest of the Susquehanna River at Wilkes-Barre is much higher than originally expected. The crest is at 42.6 feet. That is higher than Agnes. The levees are only designed to withhold 41 feet. The levee is holding but it is being stressed at a level it has never dealt with before. If you were evacuated, stay out of the valley. This is a very serious situation!

bizi 09-09-2011 10:58 PM

Thank you for this update di,
sending positive energy and good thoughts your way.
(((((HUGS))))))
bizi
It sounds so scary.....I am sorry.

waves 09-09-2011 11:41 PM

Dear Di

I am sending everyone up there good thoughts too. this sound horrible. i hope folks were able to get out of the way of the waters in time. :(

(((hugs)))

~ waves ~

Brokenfriend 09-10-2011 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiMarie (Post 803921)
Wow that is crazy winds Steve. I can't even imagine. The event here was the rain from Lee on top of the rain from Irene the week before. Ground, streams and Rivers were full.

The situation this morning revealed how bad things were during the night. The reading from the river broke and the levels of 38.7 ft were so wrong. Actually the crest was 42.66 ft, more then 2 ft higher then Agnus and what the levees were built to protect. People were calling for help during the night in areas that were not to be affected at this height (Agnus 40ft) saying someone in emergency management needed to go look at the river it was wrong.

Then the dikes started breaching, break out of water in the city, and backflowing the streams and creeks into areas never flooded before. THe gov landed near by and was informed of the broken gage, and the power of roaring Susquehanna. It is so loud like a train.

Many roads I need to get out to claims on Monday are washed away, bridges out, and people relocated to shelters.

The only problems we had were run off. The modular home I put in for ds and dgs took some foundation damage. THe springs boiled out of the ground and out of the mountain. The trail they took hit the corner of the concrete pad and supports under it. Where the fill was put back in after consturction washed out.

Ds and dh are down there now digging a trench and directing the water away from the house to a drain we put in during constructions.

People are still evacuated and so many pooling together. Wegmans donated the food for CEO in the area to assist with meals. Clean up kits being put together.

The big concern now is what happen to New Orleans. The dikes breached below. They blew out in weak areas from the pressure of the weight of the water. The integrity is really a concern. They are bandaiding the breaks, but at this point it is holding up.

The army corp engineer said he never say any design or system hold up to this much pressure. So everyone is saying a prayer and crossing fingers at this point.

Jim Cantore is twittering from here today, and Al Roker from Weather Channel was on the air this morning.


Jon Meyer WNEP
BREAKING NEWS: The crest of the Susquehanna River at Wilkes-Barre is much higher than originally expected. The crest is at 42.6 feet. That is higher than Agnes. The levees are only designed to withhold 41 feet. The levee is holding but it is being stressed at a level it has never dealt with before. If you were evacuated, stay out of the valley. This is a very serious situation!

Oh yes. The two storms this year caused terrible damage,and great hardship over a large area. The floods where worse I think then what Camille caused.

The winds of Camille,and the storm where considered a Freak of Nature. It was so long ago. I just remember winds,and floods through shopping centers,gas stations,and residential areas near rivers,canals,and creeks.

We had about a dozen tall Pine trees,and that's what probably worried me about the winds. I just don't remember. It was so long ago. It was also happening around the first time man walked on the moon. BF:hug::hug::hug:

waves 09-10-2011 12:43 AM

coincidence ... or message from above
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brokenfriend (Post 804046)
The winds of Camille,and the storm where considered a Freak of Nature.
...
It was so long ago. It was also happening around the first time man walked on the moon.

Woww. it must be amazing to be able to remember that event!!!

At the same time, the coincidence of these two events kinda freaks me out. It is almost like Mother Nature or God was upset that we were "outstepping our boundaries" for the price of... well, Earth's own resources... so many resources consumed for building and launching space vehicles.

:hug::hug::hug:

~ waves ~

Brokenfriend 09-10-2011 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waves (Post 804052)
Woww. it must be amazing to be able to remember that event!!!

At the same time, the coincidence of these two events kinda freaks me out. It is almost like Mother Nature or God was upset that we were "outstepping our boundaries" for the price of... well, Earth's own resources... so many resources consumed for building and launching space vehicles.

:hug::hug::hug:

~ waves ~

It was so long ago. I was just about to go to my second year at military school. I was a young teenager.

I know what you mean Waves. Some people think that these atmospheric conditions are as the result of us going into space. I've wondered about it myself.

I went to Google a little while ago,and clicked on Hurricane Camille Youtube,and found a youtube film called,"A lady called Camille". The documentary was of a style that I haven't heard in years. It was before cable TV.

That storm slammed into Mississippi,with 200 miles per hour winds,and tidal wave,and rain. Then it came up here to Virginia,crossed the mountains,and rained 27 inches of rain on this side of the mountains.(Nelson Co.,Va) That county is two counties away from mine. That flooded the towns down to Richmond,Va. I just remember that being the storm of the century when I was a teenager.

All of these storms are bad. The tropical storm that we just had was strange. It just kept coming up from the South. Yesterday,the sun finally came out. The two storms where rain makers,and caused alot of flooding. It was much worse where Di was.

Di. I hope that the waters calm down. You have been through a tremendous rain manufacturing cloud that moved so slowly. I hope that you are alright. BF :hug::hug::hug:

waves 09-10-2011 01:32 AM

link to documentary...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brokenfriend (Post 804059)
I went to Google a little while ago,and clicked on Hurricane Camille Youtube,and found a youtube film called,"A lady called Camille". The documentary was of a style that I haven't heard in years. It was before cable TV.

Youtube: A Lady Called Camille
Thanks for finding this, Steve. :hug::hug::hug:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brokenfriend (Post 804059)
That storm slammed into Mississippi,with 200 miles per hour winds,and tidal wave,and rain. Then it came up here to Virginia,crossed the mountains,and rained 27 inches of rain on this side of the mountains.(Nelson Co.,Va) That county is two counties away from mine. That flooded the towns down to Richmond,Va. I just remember that being the storm of the century when I was a teenager.

wow. :yikes: no doubt!

~ waves ~

Brokenfriend 09-10-2011 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waves (Post 804052)
Woww. it must be amazing to be able to remember that event!!!

At the same time, the coincidence of these two events kinda freaks me out. It is almost like Mother Nature or God was upset that we were "outstepping our boundaries" for the price of... well, Earth's own resources... so many resources consumed for building and launching space vehicles.

:hug::hug::hug:

~ waves ~

Waves Appollo 11 landed on the moon with Neil Armstrong on about July 20th,1969. Hurricane Camille was from August 14th,through 22nd,1969. BF:hug::hug::hug:

Brokenfriend 09-10-2011 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waves (Post 804064)

Thank you Waves for bringing that Youtube link here. BF:hug::hug::hug:

waves 09-10-2011 01:42 AM

thanks to you, for finding it, Steve! ;):hug::hug::hug:

Mari 09-10-2011 03:38 AM

Dear Steve,

Camille was a powerful storm. I was a child. We lived in the path.
I wish the weather folks would stop using people's names.

=-=-=-
I wish I felt comfortable telephoning my Godmother about the recent flooding in the Hudson River Valley. I'm not in the mood to talk on the phone. Maybe I will call this weekend anyway.

M

waves 09-10-2011 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brokenfriend (Post 804065)
Waves Appollo 11 landed on the moon with Neil Armstrong on about July 20th,1969. Hurricane Camille was from August 14th,through 22nd,1969. BF:hug::hug::hug:

i missed this post earlier....

hey that's pretty darn close timing!!!!! :eek:

~ waves ~

DiMarie 09-10-2011 04:47 PM

Thanks for the video Steve! I remember working as a Candy Striper (wait not a stripper right? or is it the other way around? lol)
But I was working in a Nursing home and so many residents were sure that the flights would affect the weather. They were terrified of what could happen to the atmosphere. (funny global warming is not blaimed for breaking through atmosphere)

Waves, locals here are mentioning about the Earthquake and Irene in one week, then the rememnents of Lee the next weekend. Along with all the earthquakes in US that usually do not have movement. Relating to Fracking of gas from the earth in our area.

Today is one the river is down and clean up begins. The city proper had minimal flooding protected by the dikes pushed beyond their limits. BUT it did make to flooding of surrounding, unprotected town experience heavier and wider spread dmg.

So many roads and bridges are just torn, cracked and closed. Monday I will head up to some of the affected area, but fb friends have given me a heads up on the route that is safe.

These are two links thanks for the idea BF, one is coverage of Agnus 92,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2B9MvX2ARc


Yesterday someones entire deck going down the River.

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...99584563_n.jpg

Homes outside of levee protection

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...81868220_n.jpg

Areal veiw

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...54205985_n.jpg

Poor woodchuck, he was rescued

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...99902826_n.jpg

bizi 09-10-2011 05:58 PM

pretty eye opening...how awful.
thanks for posting these pictures.
good luck and be careful on monday...rest up this weekend.
bizi

waves 09-10-2011 06:38 PM

awww poor woodchuck!!!!
 
yeah, Di, be careful.

poor lil' woodchuck. that pic just ate me up. but then really he is a lucky woodchuck. i can't help thinking how many like him were not rescued. and that he probably lost his entire family as well as his home. :(

we just think about the people, because we are people. but the animals are affected just as much. :(

:grouphug:

~ waves ~

Brokenfriend 09-10-2011 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiMarie (Post 804247)
Thanks for the video Steve! I remember working as a Candy Striper (wait not a stripper right? or is it the other way around? lol)
But I was working in a Nursing home and so many residents were sure that the flights would affect the weather. They were terrified of what could happen to the atmosphere. (funny global warming is not blaimed for breaking through atmosphere)

Waves, locals here are mentioning about the Earthquake and Irene in one week, then the rememnents of Lee the next weekend. Along with all the earthquakes in US that usually do not have movement. Relating to Fracking of gas from the earth in our area.

Today is one the river is down and clean up begins. The city proper had minimal flooding protected by the dikes pushed beyond their limits. BUT it did make to flooding of surrounding, unprotected town experience heavier and wider spread dmg.

So many roads and bridges are just torn, cracked and closed. Monday I will head up to some of the affected area, but fb friends have given me a heads up on the route that is safe.

These are two links thanks for the idea BF, one is coverage of Agnus 92,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2B9MvX2ARc


Yesterday someones entire deck going down the River.

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...99584563_n.jpg

Homes outside of levee protection

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...81868220_n.jpg

Areal veiw

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...54205985_n.jpg

Poor woodchuck, he was rescued

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...99902826_n.jpg

Di Yes. That looked like a destructive storm also. Power outages,on top of floods make a bad combination. I'm glad that you are on a mountain. I to am in a higher location away from the James,and Rivanna Rivers. If I drive to the South,I keep going down hill till I come to the James River. BF:hug::hug::hug:

Mari 09-10-2011 07:05 PM

That's overwhelming . . . . the power of water.

M

waves 09-10-2011 08:53 PM

fracking of natural gas
 
this is indeed interesting, Di. i did not know it was going on in your area.
Quote:

Originally Posted by DiMarie (Post 804247)
Waves, locals here are mentioning about the Earthquake and Irene in one week, then the rememnents of Lee the next weekend. Along with all the earthquakes in US that usually do not have movement. Relating to Fracking of gas from the earth in our area.

a quick google revealed this article from The Huffington Post (includes a video):

Pennsylvania Fracking Spill: Natural Gas Well Blowout Spills Thousands Of Gallons Of Drilling Fluid

First Posted: 04/20/11 02:52 PM ET Updated: 04/20/11 06:38 PM ET
Quote:

Thousands of gallons of fracking fluid have spilled following an accident at a natural gas well in Pennsylvania, WNEP reports.
---
The chemicals used in fracking fluids have been a contentious subject, as many energy companies have long guarded them as a "trade secret." A recent report released by three House Democrats says that millions of gallons of potentially hazardous chemicals and known carcinogens, such as methanol, have been injected into wells across the country by energy companies using the controversial fracking method.

we seriously need to find other ways to live. ways that are in harmony with the earth. i read a book recently, that pointed out how often we talk about our seas, our forests, even our wildlife, our earth, even our universe, as though these things belong to us, whereas the converse is true:-
it is we who,
no more and no less than the seas, forests, and wildlife,
belong to the earth, and the universe.


~ waves ~

Mari 09-10-2011 09:04 PM

fracking
 
This is a horrifying practice.

Mari 09-10-2011 09:46 PM

Fracking on youtube
 
The Fracking Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHQu3SeUwUI

bizi 09-10-2011 09:52 PM

pull my head out of the sand...this is the first time I have ever heard of fracking....:(

Brokenfriend 09-11-2011 02:12 PM

Me to Bizi
 
I heard something briefly on the news with in the last six months,but I didn't know that this was going on. BF:hug::hug::hug:

DiMarie 09-12-2011 01:53 AM

From just the local knowledge I have, someone else may know better.

There are pockets of gas from prehistoric ages, kidda like the coal belts. In the Northeast, the area I know, they are buying up, or "renting" land making farmers and folks pretty rich on these leases.
They drill into the pockets, right through the water levels, and using the water to cool the drills.

In our area, the wells and water has been undermined to the point if people light a match under or near the water facet it will turn into flames.

The landscaping is dug up, roads destroyed from the heavy trucks. A few moths ago a huge truck going too fast in the rurual areas failed to drive at safe speeds and ran into a woman killing her.

In northeast PA we had anthricite coal mines. Many of the men were digging in shafts they shore up with beams between the "veins" of coal and shale. As they go across the veins not down through them they pull it out. What ende up happening was the stability, methane gas, and greed with the owners.

In our town, they kept going, getting too close to the Susquehanna River. The pressure inward burst through the mining in the 60's and closed the coal mining in our area...
Then natural gas took over for heating homes and demand was down.

Now the fracking is taking out of the earth in the same way. I can't help but feel if large amounts of this gas is removed, WHAT is holding us together, and is that why all the odd earthquakes in previous unaffected areas?
Thanks for asking,
di


Wilkes barre Times Leader (Assoc Press)

Gas pipeline firm in Pa. pulls utility application
MARC LEVY,Associated Press
HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — The company that's building a 30-mile pipeline to transport natural gas from northern Pennsylvania wells says it's no longer seeking public utility status, which would have been a step toward taking private property without an owner's approval.
The chairman of Laser Northeast Gathering said Monday the company's business model has changed.

Laser's application to state utility regulators was the first to coincide with Pennsylvania's Marcellus Shale gas-drilling boom, although other applications are pending.

Public utilities have the ability to go to court to seek eminent domain on private property. But Laser says it's now planning to serve a limited number of customers.

Laser was forced to halt construction temporarily on its $55 million pipeline into New York state recently after crews spilled drilling mud into a pristine stream.

Read more: http://www.timesleader.com/news/Gas-...#ixzz1XnVfv8EX

Mari 09-12-2011 03:10 AM

Dear Di,

Yes. That is consistent with my understanding.

Here a picture of one area effected: The Marcellus Shale

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/o...ty-Library.jpg

Most likely the fracking did not cause the recent earthquake in Virginia but fracking has probably caused smaller earthquakes. If fracking were to occur on a fault line, then all bets are off.


The federal and state governments seem to be supporting the energy companies so far -- with low taxes and low regulations.

M

DiMarie 09-12-2011 09:31 PM

Mari,
Hughsville is where I was working today for insurance claims. Actually non flood related. Those claims are just coming in. This was a vehicle from last Thursday when the weather turned bad.

The map coincides with the Coal belts too, anthricite in the east and marcelus (sp) in the west and southern.

I had to detour two times to other roads. Major highways were affected too.
This is a small village as I was driving up this afternoon called Sonestown, there were homes gone, garages, this street was blocked off from driving down with a frontend loader just picking up everything for a dumpster.

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...30387484_n.jpg

This second one was a wonderful covered bridge we would pass. There was a tree through it, the lane was torn, and huge tree in the front pulled from the ground. Odd was a childrens plastic Easter egg near the roadway by the tree.

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...44502266_n.jpg

Mari 09-12-2011 11:10 PM

Dear Di,
I love your work with the camera . .. also the explanations with the pictures are marvelous.
M


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