Advanced Biostructural Correction
 

Hi all!

Has anyone tried Advanced Biostructural Correction?

http://www.meningealrelease.com/

http://www.abcmiracles.com/

It's supposed to correct bad posture -which i think many of us suffer from.

:grouphug:

I know we are all looking for a miracle cure but after not being able to find anything about the creator of this technique on this website, I did a quick search of the Internet. Apparently he had his chiropractic license revoked as well as some other violations. While his technique may very well work or at least help, please do some research before deciding to spend your money.

I'm partial to getting DVDs and books from Amazon so I can leverage reviews to have a better chance of getting something worth my time and money. That's how I found these, which I can recommend after trying them:

* Posture, Get It Straight! Two Disc Set by Janice Novak

* Fixing You: Neck Pain & Headaches by Rick Olderman

* Pain Free at Your PC by Pete Egoscue

Some others that are well reviewed, but that I haven't cracked yet:

* The New Rules of Posture by Mary Bond

* Why Does Working @ My Computer Hurt So Much?

Also, if you have droopy shoulders and/or forward head, I recommend the "Brugger Relief Position" several times a day, which you can look up on the web and youtube.

HTH

You're right, we're all looking for a miracle cure, I just thought the Advanced Biostructural Correction seemed interesting. I also googled the creator of this technique, and seems that you're right.

If I end up trying this, I'll definitely follow up on this post. But I would still like to hear from anyone who has tried this technique. :)

thanks for all the book recommendations Chroma, it's sometimes hard to find a book which isnt made by some quack who tries to make money :Soapbox:

Advanced BioStructural Correction™ Information
 

Hi,

I am Dr. Jutkowitz and I can tell you that those pictures of people being upright with no physical effort after treatment with Advanced BioStructural Correction™ are exactly what they purport to be with no effort by the patients and no retouching.

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Dr. Jutkowitz

Hi Dr. Jutkowitz (If you're the real one) - those pictures, are they taken after one treatment or does it take several treatments to get those results?

Have you ever had a patient with thoracic outlet syndrome, who has been helped by this technique?

Thanks

Those pictures are mostly before and after the first treatment -- the ones with people in the same clothing. However, that does not mean that the changes are the ones needed to handle any particular symptom and the changes get even better over time.

Plenty of people with TOS have been helped and the problems eliminated by me personally and by practitioners using ABC™, virtually all of them.

Keep in mind that TOS is not a single cause syndrome so the time to correct what is causing it can be short or a bit longer but usually there is change starting day one.

By the way Chroma, the references you note all talk about muscular effort to change how your body is at a given moment. That does not change your posture but just temporarily changes your configuration. ABC™ corrects the structure so your body stays upright all by itself.

The differences are improvements in vital capacity and heart function that are permanent rather than just a change in appearance with little to no change in anything else.

And yes, I am the real Dr. Jutkowitz.

I disagree that they are strictly muscular effort. My fav exercise from Egoscue's books is the "static back" which is not an exercise at all, but a position in which gravity does the work of lining up the hips, shoulder and head, as well as elongating the spine. In fact, the vertebra are pulled in the direction that seems advocated by ABC materials I've been looking at. That's not to say that ABC doesn't offer something additional over those exercises, whether that's a more thorough effect, or faster course of treatment. I haven't tried it, so I wouldn't know.

Regarding my message about books and DVDs from Amazon, I wonder if some might interpret it as my primary advice for dealing with TOS and/or interpret it as "in place of" seeing a practitioner of some sort, rather than "complementary". I definitely use those resources as complementary. I'm currently seeing a chiro who does myofascial release and then adjustments with "the activator" tool. I'm happy with the results.

I was not happy with the first chiro I saw, whose treatments were the old school "quick-crack-crack-scoop-crack" and you're done method. Didn't work for me.

I think there is fundamental value in seeing a practitioner of some sort (whether DC, PT, MD, etc.) to leverage their expertise and their outside perspective. The trick is to find one that is good and affordable.

So others know, the Static Back position is lying flat on your back with your hips at 90 degrees and the legs knee bent at 90 degrees with the lower leg (calf) supported on a hassock or box.
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Not to be contentious -- take a look at what that position actually does. The Egoscue Method book and the web site both have: "This exercise creates horizontal load between shoulder and pelvis, which contributes to thoracic extension by engaging the stabilizers and flexors of the hip."

That sounds wonderful and implies moving the bones in the backward direction noted as needed by ABC™. The problems come when one actually notes what is occurring.

First, the flexion of the hips causes a reversal of the normal and needed lumbar lordosis. That reversal leads to reversal and FLEXION of the thoracic spine rather than the extension noted. Further, besides that being reversed and forcing the thoracic spine into flexion laying on your back forces the normally backward curving thoracic spine flat moving the bones FORWARD into FLEXION rather than extension as they say.

This is another one of those "good ideas" which do not do what someone says but the opposite.

The reason the audio explaining it on the web site ends stating that "...sometimes it can actually weaken you if you rely on it all the time." Is not the reason they state but the fact that it reverses all the normal and needed front-to-back curves of the spinal column leaving the body in a somewhat decompensated and precarious position at the end of the exercise.

Again, this is not because I say so or some "idea" or an opinion. This is just an objective physical observation of the position of the body anyone and everyone can make which is the opposite of what they are saying.

Be careful to make sure that what you are being told actually matches up with what is physically happening.

Again, this is not my opinion. Anyone can easily observe and experience doing this exercise that the thoracic spine (midback), which is normally supposed to curve backward, is pushed FORWARD by the floor reducing the normal and needed curve of the spinal column and causing adverse compensating changes in other parts of the spinal column and pelvis, which is the opposite of what they are saying in the written explanation.

It might feel good for some because it will temporarily reduce the amount of mechanical stress on one area by worsening the condition and forcing the stress to some other area. This gives the apparentcy an improvement however, it is not an improvement just a change and almost always for the worse. The end result will either be a return to the previous configuration with its attendant symptoms and or pains or a change to something worse mechanically which may result in immediate or later symptoms that are different.

Eh, I'm having trouble accepting your critique of Static Back for various reasons:

-- I won't deny that the floor flattens my thoracic spine for a short period of time, but there are lots of exercises that put your body in a non-natural position for a short time. Examples include Brugger relief pose, sternal positional Swiss ball release, all yoga poses (hehe), pull ups, etc. You would never do any of those for very long. You could analyze the details of any of them and say "well that's not natural" and "it stresses parts of your body". Is that not true for most exercises?

-- I feel my spine elongate when I do static back for 10 mins. I have to make an adjustment part way through as a result.

-- The part about it weakening you if you overuse it is interesting, but Egoscue includes a combination of exercises including the challenging Air Bench.

-- Last, but not least, I've been getting good results regardless of this or that explanation.

I do not understand your statement:

"I'm having trouble accepting your critique of Static Back for various reasons"

In light of your statement:

"I won't deny that the floor flattens my thoracic spine for a short period of time, but there are lots of exercises that put your body in a non-natural position for a short time. Examples include Brugger relief pose, sternal positional Swiss ball release, all yoga poses (hehe), pull ups, etc. You would never do any of those for very long. You could analyze the details of any of them and say "well that's not natural" and "it stresses parts of your body".

which exactly makes the same point.

As for this:

Is that not true for most exercises?"

the answer is many but I do not know about "most". However, what is the point of the question?

You then make these two statements:

"I feel my spine elongate when I do static back for 10 mins. I have to make an adjustment part way through as a result."

"I've been getting good results regardless of this or that explanation."

Which indicates you are still having problems though you feel they are getting better.

I completely understand and that situation is covered by my previous statement:

"It might feel good for some because it will temporarily reduce the amount of mechanical stress on one area by worsening the condition and forcing the stress to some other area. This gives the apparentcy an improvement however, it is not an improvement just a change and almost always for the worse. The end result will either be a return to the previous configuration with its attendant symptoms and or pains or a change to something worse mechanically which may result in immediate or later symptoms that are different."

That statement notes the uncomfortableness you note that you have to adjust your position to handle, as well as the temporary relief you note as the body is shifted to a different position and the mechanical stress is changed to elsewhere, as well as the return of the symptoms as the body again shifts to the previous position as it tries to reestablish the compensation for the original problem.

People often have a problem with my statement that if a correction is made, a true correction of body mechanics is made, the problems and its symptoms just disappear and do not need constant re treatment or handling because they do not usually experience that.

They most often experience the changes you noted in your post and evaluate that as improvement rather than just temporary change.

With Advanced BioStructural Correction™ a particular symptom will often continue until the problem the is at the basis of that symptom is handled and then it just disappears.

Dr. Jutkowitz

How does your system break down myofascial adhesions, scar tissue and other abnormalities which prevents a persons skeleton being in the perfect position?

Personally, I have a lot of these issues. Chiros have given up on me as any adjustments made to my skeleton do not hold. The tethering from my hip to throat, scapula to throat and other various criss-crosses can not be adjusted or "overridden" by the strong myofascial component.

Hi Anne,

Your first statement:

"How does your system break down myofascial adhesions, scar tissue and other abnormalities which prevents a persons skeleton being in the perfect position?"

includes a presumption of fact that is not true. That is:

"...myofascial adhesions, scar tissue and other abnormalities which prevents a persons skeleton being in the perfect position"

Many people, chiros, PTs, massage therapist and others have made that presumption.

The physically observable facts are that those myofascial adhesions and other "abnormalities" are there are part of the compensation patterns for things that are out of place in directions the body cannot self-correct. And, there are there to hold the body up.

If actual corrections are made to the things the body cannot self-correct the body lets go of the rest.

Note I did not put "scar tissue" in my statement. Two reasons:

1. What most people assume is myofascial scarring is not because it does indeed disappear when bodies are actually corrected.

2. If there are true scars from things like surgery or actual torn muscles they can influence bone position.

It is important that you do not believe for a minute that what are commonly called tears actually are -- if you can move the muscle without having pain that has you writhing on the floor it is not torn just strained.

Further, strains and sprains and pains from "myofacial conditions" that do not go away are virtually always at compensation points and they stay as strains and sprains because no one has corrected the bone positions of the bones out of place that the body cannot self-correct so the compensation either stays there or resets as noted in my previous post because it is needed to hold the body upright.

It is very difficult for people to believe these things just disappear when the body is corrected because they have been taught otherwise -- I am not trying to force this new information on you or anyone else.

I can write about it forever but it is just something you will have to experience for yourself *admin edit*

Dr. Jutkowitz

I guess from what we have read you are the same Dr. Jesse Jutkowitz who was disciplined 4 times, suspended and fined by Connecticut's Chiropractic licensing board $5000 for a case where in at least five times [you] administered a "coccygeal-meningeal procedure"?? To cure cure acne and headaches? This is only the beginning of the antics of what I found.

I only write this because it is FACT not FICTION and people should know who is posting when they come forward and say who they are and make claims. So Im wondernig what can you do to help my severe migraines....dr? :eek:

Cheers,
Jay

Yes, that is me.

You missed that the CT Chiro Board had to discredit me because I was willing to say chiropractors can cause strokes and a CT chiro was being sued at the time.

You also missed that everything was nullified on appeal as being baloney except that CT has a law that anything not taught in Chiropractic school is not part of the scope of Chiropractic in Connecticut. So, in the end they suspended my license for doing meningeal releases which are a discovery of mine and Lowell Ward's and not taught in chiro schools.

You might want to look at the source of your data and make sure the entire story is told when you take data.

I am going to have to lock this thread for further review by admin

Thread has been reviewed and has been re-opened. Please keep your comments to the OP's topic, and please keep things civil when posting. Thank you.

No, it makes the additional point that plenty of exercises could be said to put some kind of unnatural stress on the body, but I don't see people saying "yoga is bad for you", "don't do pull ups", etc. One of the those, the sternal positional Swiss ball release, was used as part of a successful rehab for a TOS patient. Maybe I didn't spell that out, but I thought it was obvious, at least with the statement that went with it, which you've snapped off:

Well it went with the above. I don't know why you broke this off and treated it separately from the statements that preceded it. Let me try that:

I sure did.

Correct, my problems are getting better week over week.

Not covered. (a) My changes have not been for the worse. (b) Egoscue's book has 4.5 starts out of 5 from 278 reviews or a 3rd party web site (Amazon) with people saying things like "Our entire family has benefitted from this book and the stretching/relaxing muscle techniques..." I find it improbable that static back, in combination with the other exercises, are not helping people, or are making them worse.

What? As my spine elongates, I need to spread out on the floor. It's a good thing.

Maybe ABC is that powerful, I haven't said that it wasn't. But it's hard to verify as none of our trusted members have tried it.

At least for me, it has been improvement although you seem insistent that it's not. Really, I don't even know to respond to someone who basically says "you feel you're getting better, but you're not."

How do we know?

Sorry if I gave you the impression I thought you did not have improvement in your symptoms. I was talking about structure not symptoms.

As for how you would know, the closest thing would be to ask others or look at testimonials on other ABC™ practitioners' web sites. Also as stated, those pictures are as billed.

No other way to know unless you find an ABC™ practitioner and try it. Least you think it is a long term thing, you will know if you are upright and unable to slump on the first visit.

Dr. J

First, there are no presumptions in ABC™.

It is all hard factual data that anyone, professional or not, can verify themselves.

Further, those pictures are real and the changes are consistent and predictable. Why bother with NIH when anyone can duplicate the results in minutes on as many people as they want?

Would you rather have personal physical experience with no exceptions or the say-so of someone who publishes a study with many of the exceptions, assumptions and conditions that accompany those studies.

What presumptions do you think are there?

Next,

Difficult as it is to believe the sorenesses in the muscles disappear immediately when the muscle is relieved. This is why getting in water, which supports bodies and takes stress and strain off muscles, often results in reduced or relief of soreness.

Not just with ABC™ but many examples of manipulation resulting in relief of soreness of muscles are available -- even a few in the literature.

As for the "I know. Live a day in my body." Sorry cannot do. But a PT I dated and lived with for a while discovered on her own body and others' bodies that the things I say and teach actually do what I say they do when others apply the method as taught too. If that was not true she would have dumped me on that fourth date when after a hard workout she wanted to cancel because she was so sore and I said she would not be sore after I treated her so she would be okay to go. I did as promised and we did.

Anyone can learn it, we have quite a few who learn it with a friend and apply it to themselves.

Next,

It is probably less expensive to try a visit to an ABC™ practitioner so you can physically experience whether I am full of baloney or not than most of the other things you have tried.

I personally get nothing from it unless you come to me for treatment and I do not see that any of you are close so this is just data to answer the original question posed and a chance for you to discover for yourself what is or is not.

I have no personal stake in this at all unless you try it with someone and later decide it works and want to learn it yourself, so try it or not as you please.

In order to Keep on track with the guidlines of this forum I will not say what I would like. Only to say to those reading your posts and claims, to research you for themselfs. I think the "accurate" information that can be found says enough.
Cheers,
Dr Jay. lol.