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rick92 02-01-2012 02:08 PM

how do u live
 
with the anger and frustration knowing that 99% of people dont get post concussion syndrome from the same type of concussions as us

i have so much anger as too why me? why am i having all these problems from the same type of hit as all my friends?

and i dont want anyone replying saying everyone gets pcs because i know for a fact most people dont

my doctors have told me they are really worried about me they've never seen anyone having problems past 3 months? so what is the deal

EsthersDoll 02-01-2012 02:50 PM

Hi Rick92,

I can't see where you live, but maybe that's one reason your Dr.'s are so worried - because the population where you live isn't large enough for them to have seen this before statistically.

I'm sorry they said that to you, their worry isn't going to help you get any better. Do they know that?

I live in Los Angeles and my Primary Care Physician and Neurologist both have seen this before and I've been healing for 18 months now. Neither one of them are worried - I think they still think it's possible for me to make a return to near full or full health.

It's perfectly natural to get angry about having to deal with this.

But you don't know if your friends got the "same type of hit" as you. You don't know what happened microscopically inside their heads or yours. And you might not know whether you've hit your head before and been dazed and it shook off after a few minutes or a few hours and whether that is contributing to what you're going through now, because the effects of concussions are cumulative.

I'm pretty sure the facts say that about 10% of people get PCS that lasts more than three months. (Not 1%)

And experts really don't know enough to figure out why more than they already have. We just live in a time period where we don't have all the information yet. I imagine if we lived during the time of star trek, in the future, we would all get some kind of medical scan with a tricorder and we'd all be fine. But the information that people like us that are going through this are providing to the experts are hopefully going to make that possible someday.

As to why - you're going to have to figure that one out on your own. I'm a very spiritual person, so I have faith that everything is in divine order. If my boyfriend were experiencing the same thing, he's an atheist, so he's have a lot more trouble with it. But maybe someday in the future you will be able to help people in a way that you wouldn't have been able to without going through this - maybe you'll become inspired to be a charismatic representative for the Brain Injury Association of America and will help people understand what it is people with PCS go through. Who knows what the future holds!

Just try to remember that the calmer you are, the better you'll feel and most likely, the faster you'll heal.

Speaking to a therapist once a week has really helped me get through the anger I feel about what I'm going through. Maybe something like that could help you too. Or yoga, or meditation, or coloring, or drawing, or a short peaceful walk, or something.

Take care. :hug:

SpaceCadet 02-01-2012 04:02 PM

Are you on any medication? It sounds like you could use the help of an anti-depressant.

I feel you though, bro. I'm right behind you at 7 months...and I'm frustrated all the time. My injury was a completely random assault that happened at the end of a pleasant day with a friend. I had no control over it. I could sit here and wonder how it would of been different if we didn't stop at that McDonalds that day, or if we didn't leave the house at all...but those kind of thoughts lead to frustration, stress and anxiety. There's nothing we can do about the past.

Just stay focused on your recovery. I know its hard to do, but stop thinking about how it happened and why your friends that took similar hits aren't experiencing what you are. It will only make you feel worse. Be happy that your alive and that someday you will be better.

Good luck.

rick92 02-01-2012 05:20 PM

thank yall. yeah its just like no other injury thats frustrating. i always was afraid of breaking a bone but i would have rather broken any bone rather than this happen.

yeah i was taking an antidepressant called nortriptyline for 2 months for the headaches but i have quit taking them since last week

EsthersDoll 02-01-2012 05:41 PM

You may be going through a more depressive, more angry, or just more emotional phase since you topped taking the anti-depressant last week. I read that happens to people - it's like a withdrawal.

I was prescribed tramadol and took it regularly for months, it acts as a pain killer and an anti-depressant apparently, and it messed me up for weeks after I stopped taking it. ::shudders::

I TOTALLY understand!! A professor I work with was complaining about how long it was taking for her sprained ankle to heal last week. I thought, "well, a brain takes a bit longer than that..." :winky:

Eowyn 02-01-2012 05:42 PM

I agree. It's incredibly frustrating, and even more so when the doctors don't seem to have a handle on what's going on. I find it really hard to accept myself, much less to explain to the bazillion people around me who don't understand what's going on.

Emotional lability (mood swings) is also a symptom of PCS, so that can bring on some of the strong emotions like anger.

If the strong emotions concern you, you could also ask about a more typical antidepressant like Prozac or Celexa.

purplesue 02-01-2012 06:00 PM

Anger
 
ANGER at your situation is a normal 1st stage of grieving loss of who you think you are. Quit expecting yourself to be normal and by the way who told you life is fair was lying to you. Be angry. All of us have been after and during such an ordeal.

SpaceCadet 02-01-2012 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick92 (Post 847263)
thank yall. yeah its just like no other injury thats frustrating. i always was afraid of breaking a bone but i would have rather broken any bone rather than this happen.

yeah i was taking an antidepressant called nortriptyline for 2 months for the headaches but i have quit taking them since last week

I say the same thing, I always tell myself I wish that I could trade this for broken bones, or whatever...but you know that's not possible. Just keep your head up dude.

If you need to talk about something I'm hear for you. Just send me a PM or whatever.

PCS_GORILLA 02-02-2012 01:39 AM

Dont Sweat it
 
hey its only been 3 months, that's not so bad, its only when the years start adding up that it really takes a toll. Just keep a positive attitude and try to pass the time (as hard as that sounds) by any means necessary. Stay strong!

PCS_GORILLA 02-02-2012 01:43 AM

MY Bad
 
I misread the thread, so its been a year, its still very short by comparison to many. And your young so your body will surely heal in time. :)

pcslife 02-02-2012 10:55 AM

I am 2 years 8 months into this PCS hell. Tried so many meds, therapies and all that jazz and still trying. Allday/everyday it is a struggle.

I personally know quite a few survivors who had mild to severe TBI. Including some seniors in 70+ and except servere TBI survivor all of them recovered completely. Even severe brain stem injury, coma, therapy survivor who cannot use much one side and short term memory loss, carry on with her life happily what she can. Travelling, attending social events, cooking etc., cannot work anymore which doesnt bother her at all.

No one I talked to has PCS symptoms like many of us suffer here on a daily basis. Constant headaches, dizziness, fatigue, visual and auditory stimulations, all kinds of pain, brain fog etc., and it keeps coming. I know I shouldn't compare but I come in contact with them and start comparing.

So even TBI survivors are surprised when I tell them I have all these after 2 years. I live in big city and only few doctors here aware of this. One Neurologist told I have nerve pain. What?

I am willing to trade my leg or hand than going through this.

Without internet and this forum it would have been really tough.

I get angry, frustrated, anxious at times because we all are human dealing with a tough condition. Being spiritual sure helps to calm your mind and get rid of some negative thoughts. Try alternative therapies if you can and be cautiously optimistic with anything you try but you should keep trying. There are so many therapies out there and some thing may help.

Keep up the spirit.

JulieRN 02-02-2012 11:15 AM

My injury happened 19 months ago (yes, I'm still counting)...I have not had ANY treatment up to this point (I blame that on being a Worker's Comp. issue)...angry? Yes. And to be rational (as rational as I can be) who WOULDN'T be??

I was enjoying a successful career, doing what I love and being compensated well for it. I was enjoying my newly brought together family in a new home feeling on top of the world...then I hit my head on the corner of a metal cabinet...a fluke accident, and it's changed my life...

Every single moment of every single day I struggle trying to trade this "anger" "why did this happen to me" attitude for thoughts of "I will get help, they will start me on meds to calm my anxiety which in turn will help me be able to focus"...I haven't lost my faith, and I know that I can't...

I just finished my Neuropsych testing and will receive the results on Monday...I've been a Nurse for 17 years and it is a very real possibility that I will be unable to return to my career...so I have a choice, as I see it...

I can be angry about this or I can demand that I get every single treatment that is available to me with the hope that my condition improves. I can continue to fight (which is exhausting and just makes me more symptomatic) or I can give up. I'm not giving in and I'm NOT giving up.

Reach out here for support...vent, be angry, but please...do not give up. Many people don't understand...I fired the first Neurologist they sent me to because 2 months post injury he told me I would "never" get better...he will get a revisit from me someday...:)

Sometimes our anger just "happens"...that's been the most difficult for me to handle...I get it, I really really do....hang in there...you're not alone...!

Nitro157 02-02-2012 01:07 PM

Hi,

My injury happened last year on February the 5th. I had whiplash snowboarding, never even hit my head.

As with everyone else, the recovery has been a roller coaster ride. Am I feeling better then I did, yes! Am I a long way from healing and living a normal like again? Yes...a long ways away.

I still deal a strange array of different types of dizziness. Sometimes it feels like the ground is moving up and down very rapidly, like I'm on a boat.

Sometimes the dizziness is too the left or the right.

Almost all the time I can sense movement with my heart beat.

Pulsitile Tinitus - when I lay down and close my eyes I can hear my heart beat in both my ears, ususally the left is worse, and it feels like my body is rocking back and forth with my heart beat.

My pulsitile tinitus gets worse if i get my heart rate up.

I'm more anxious, have had a few panic attacks, have problems with over stimulation - sounds are the worst.

I get TMJ locking and tightness that seems to come on when im stressed out.

My neck is still bothering me, feels like my vertebrae are loose.

All in all I still feel like crap and am nowhere near back to my former life.

I havent worked in a year and am scared to death to try and go back to a normal job, mostly because of my dizziness.

I have very little medical support here in Calgary Alberta Canada. I was seeing a "concussion specialist" for a while but I was discouraged from his lack of knowledge and got sick of shaking his hand and having him ask me how I'm feeling.

I'm broke, barely see my friends, live in my parents basement and havent been laid in a year.

But....


I'm alive and still greatfull for the simple things in life. This is the hand we've been delt.

Curtis

pcslife 02-02-2012 01:23 PM

Nitro157:

I have all your symptoms including neck and some TMJ. You put the dizziness in a very good perspective. For me too dizziness you explained is the most debilitating symptom. Sad but interesting. I get anxious because my dizziness level/intensity changing all the time and stores/malls are the worst.

Not really sure where it is coming from but lately trying Visual Therapy. Next probably shots in the neck and then Neurofeedback.

rick92:
Is your dizziness a true vertigo or something nitro explained?

Nitro157 02-02-2012 01:25 PM

I've read some really scary stuff about cortisone shots in the neck. I've thought about it, but not sure if it;s something I'll do. Many people have been left if worse shape then before the shots.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcslife (Post 847587)
Nitro157:

I have all your symptoms including neck and some TMJ. You put the dizziness in a very good perspective. For me too dizziness you explained is the most debilitating symptom. Sad but interesting. I get anxious because my dizziness level/intensity changing all the time and stores/malls are the worst.

Not really sure where it is coming from but lately trying Visual Therapy. Next probably shots in the neck and then Neurofeedback.

rick92:
Is your dizziness a true vertigo or something nitro explained?


pcslife 02-02-2012 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitro157 (Post 847589)
I've read some really scary stuff about cortisone shots in the neck. I've thought about it, but not sure if it;s something I'll do. Many people have been left if worse shape then before the shots.


I know what you are saying. That is why I have been contemplating. But there are so many different types than cortisone ( like Botox, Prolotherapy, Platelet Rich Plasma Therapy (PRP)). It is a confusing world......

redloui 02-02-2012 01:52 PM

can't even find a Dr. to recognize/diagnose
 
ha! PCS has never been mentioned here, and we just keep getting rejected by brain injury doctors, and clinics. its SO frustrating, how come i can see the match for all the symptoms, and the history that we know of, but without a gaping hole in your skull, or a fracture on X-ray, we can't seem to get ANY help at all.

pcslife 02-02-2012 02:04 PM

redloui : My case is little different since my MRI showed brain contusion and even now if I take an MRI it can show mild brain softening.

I have access to all the resources and in a big city, but guess what. NOTHING helps much. So you don't miss out much. Doctors most part know I am suffering but for PCS they cannot do much besides anti-depressants, anti-anxiety, pain meds some physical therapy suggestions. Also it is poorly understood condition by professionals.

Nitro157 : off-topic - I lived in Calgary for about a year and worked at TransCanada Pipelines. Cold but very quiet and clean city. banff is very scenic and nice. I know with this condition we cannot get out and enjoy anything. I cannot walk one block without feeling dizzy.

ConcussedJ 02-03-2012 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redloui (Post 847602)
ha! PCS has never been mentioned here, and we just keep getting rejected by brain injury doctors, and clinics. its SO frustrating, how come i can see the match for all the symptoms, and the history that we know of, but without a gaping hole in your skull, or a fracture on X-ray, we can't seem to get ANY help at all.

I see you're in Toronto. Give Dr. Karen Johnston at Athletic Edge Sports Med a call. 416-800-0800. I can't guarantee that she can do anything for you, but she has been involved in concussion research, so there's that.

Margarite 02-04-2012 04:35 PM

I am so sorry to hear about your struggle, it is extremely angering when the doctors say 3 months and then you finally hit that 1 year mark and don't know if there is something really wrong with you or what is going on! Nobody understands, you feel alone, the pain is your only constant companion. The medical world has failed you, your friends have forgotten or moved on or just don't know what to do with or for you. You can't imagine life continuing like this for another year or, God forbid, 5 years, or even worse 10!
This is how I felt at year 1 (and then I got 2 more concussions on the same day:D)
First you need to make sure that you have had an MRI and MRA to make sure that there isn't something wrong with you that a doctor could fix, then it is time for the hard work.
Every single day, when you wake up with that pain (or whatever it is for you) you have to make a challenge for yourself. This is not a day to give in! This is a day to use this pain and annoyance to help you become a stronger, better person. Do things to get you outside of yourself. Self-centeredness, to me is the #1 problem for those with PCS. If we move outside of ourselves, if we volunteer for homeless shelters, or if we are the shoulder to cry on for friends in trouble, if we are around for people with other long-term illnesses, these are all things that will help us to use this pain as an opportunity. NO Pain No Gain is the saying, so we just have to be determined to gain from this pain and not let it conquer us with anger and depression.
It is really weird for me, right now because I am going on 7 months since my last concussion and 3 years since my first. All of a sudden this week I am feeling really nauseated, something that usually only happens within the month after a concussion for me. I have not felt this way in over a year, and it is really hard to deal with. The nausea is constant, and the headaches are worse and more piercing. But, I am a senior in college and I have a revised rough draft for my 25 page thesis due this evening. Such is life:winky:

I wish you all the best of luck, stay positive and use this as a learning experience!

greenfrog 02-04-2012 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ConcussedJ (Post 848065)
I see you're in Toronto. Give Dr. Karen Johnston at Athletic Edge Sports Med a call. 416-800-0800. I can't guarantee that she can do anything for you, but she has been involved in concussion research, so there's that.

Dr. Charles Tator at Toronto Western Hospital is one of the best around.

One person I know recommended the TBI Clinic at Sunnybrook Hospital. They deal with "mild to moderate" brain injuries. However, they like to see people within the first 3-6 months of their injury and you need a referral.

Athletic Edge clinic also has an osteopath on staff with experience treating patients with PCS.


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