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khakis 04-06-2012 07:47 PM

new symtoms, is it TOS? who to see now?
 
Hi, I'm posting again because some symptoms have changed and I'm hoping to get more insight from some of you on if it's TOS and what to do next? Or do I keep waiting it out??
Symtoms-started 2 months ago as carp. tunnel, then ulnar, then shoulder. Now there is almost constant burning under arm pits & back of arms-both sides, occasional pain across back of neck.
Physiatrist thought TOS and wants to do an EMG (have not yet); I don't want a chiro (sorry, no use trying-husband has tried and I won't yet). I am willing (now) to fork over the $2k for the EMG, but wonder if I should see another DR first--preferably who might diagnose and give PT exercises without more tests.
I can't seem to find any around me who specify TOS as a specialty--I don't believe I'll need surgery so I havent gone that route. I read Jo*Mar state most of you had no luck with orthos. From a DR standpoint--should I try neuro, ortho, or a dif physiatrist? I have checked the DR list, none around me--I'm in Charlotte area.
THANKS everyone!

Jomar 04-06-2012 10:23 PM

What about a very good Osteopathic doctor ?
Are there any of them in your area?

nospam 04-06-2012 11:20 PM

Are all of your old symptoms still active?

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Originally Posted by khakis (Post 864657)
Here's my symptoms--3 months ago I felt carpal tunnel, changed my computer set up & tried ignoring. It moved up my elbow/ulnar area. I had tingling, numbness, at one point the right side of my face was numb just a few minutes. Now it is primarily my shoulder--by the end of the day it feels "inflamed". I feel burning on the backs of both arms. My hands are cold, and occasionally change color. Most of the tingling seems better--mostly there is a throbbing neck pain, burn in shoulder and back of arms, and headaches.

Quote:

Originally Posted by khakis (Post 864699)
Just wanted to add--my real complaint is the circulation problems I'm having--my hands are freezing and I just constantly feel like my body is not getting enough blood or something.

Quote:

Originally Posted by khakis (Post 864894)
Sometimes I think I can handle the pain, IF it will eventually go away--but the circulation and strange headaches cause me the most concern/fear of waiting this out. It also seems to be spreading throughout my body--what was once just carpal tunnel is somewhat all over now.


Jomar 04-07-2012 12:55 AM

Sometimes I think the drs label or title doesn't matter, it's finding one that cares to help and understands how the whole body & postures are involved.

billy027 04-07-2012 06:11 AM

Location?
 
Many here can recommend a doctor if they know your general location.

khakis 04-07-2012 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nospam (Post 867491)
Are all of your old symptoms still active?

the circulation things are definitely better. My thyroid (I havehad Hashimotos 15 years) was way off at my labs a few weeks ago--tsh was 10. Endo adjusted meds 3 weeks ago, and I do think that has helped the more vascular-seeming issues.
I have no loss of strength, and can type, use arm--just not w/o consequence. Mostly pain in ulnar and shoulder. No burning yet today, but afternoons & evenings are my worst.

khakis 04-07-2012 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by billy027 (Post 867542)
Many here can recommend a doctor if they know your general location.

Charlotte, NC area-thanks.

chroma 04-10-2012 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khakis (Post 867447)
Hi, I'm posting again because some symptoms have changed and I'm hoping to get more insight from some of you on if it's TOS and what to do next? Or do I keep waiting it out??
Symtoms-started 2 months ago as carp. tunnel, then ulnar, then shoulder. Now there is almost constant burning under arm pits & back of arms-both sides, occasional pain across back of neck.
Physiatrist thought TOS and wants to do an EMG (have not yet); I don't want a chiro (sorry, no use trying-husband has tried and I won't yet). I am willing (now) to fork over the $2k for the EMG, but wonder if I should see another DR first--preferably who might diagnose and give PT exercises without more tests.
I can't seem to find any around me who specify TOS as a specialty--I don't believe I'll need surgery so I havent gone that route. I read Jo*Mar state most of you had no luck with orthos. From a DR standpoint--should I try neuro, ortho, or a dif physiatrist? I have checked the DR list, none around me--I'm in Charlotte area.
THANKS everyone!

I can't tell from your message if you're investing any time into your body each day and how so. I find this is essential for resolving or reducing problems. I also find that with TOS, it can be very touchy as to what things will work or not.

Resources I recommend include:

"Pain Free at the PC" by Egoscue

"3 Minutes to a Pain-Free Life" by Weisberg & Shink

"The Core Program" by Brill

"Posture, Get It Straight" DVD by Novak (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Y9AELC/)

I've owned up to the fact that if I want my body to work reasonably well, I have to invest in it every morning.

I know that might not be the kind of answer you were looking for, but these are things that you can get started with for cheap right away and may be helpful if you haven't explored them already.

khakis 04-10-2012 06:35 AM

actually--this is all helpful and I will look into it--thank you. You make a great point--and no, I have not done much other than try to change my work station at home--not sure if it's "correct" still.The Physiatrist who suspected TOS didn't want me to try exercises without an EMG and NCV. I tried a massage and she hit a spot that made me cry, so I stopped. I guess with the nerves, I'm a little gun-shy.

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Originally Posted by chroma (Post 868265)
I can't tell from your message if you're investing any time into your body each day and how so. I find this is essential for resolving or reducing problems. I also find that with TOS, it can be very touchy as to what things will work or not.

Resources I recommend include:

"Pain Free at the PC" by Egoscue

"3 Minutes to a Pain-Free Life" by Weisberg & Shink

"The Core Program" by Brill

"Posture, Get It Straight" DVD by Novak (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Y9AELC/)

I've owned up to the fact that if I want my body to work reasonably well, I have to invest in it every morning.

I know that might not be the kind of answer you were looking for, but these are things that you can get started with for cheap right away and may be helpful if you haven't explored them already.


Jomar 04-10-2012 12:59 PM

If that spot she hit was a small super sensitive area, it might have been a trigger point.
-we tend to get those, and they need to be resolved before moving on with stretches and such.

jkl626 04-10-2012 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khakis (Post 867653)
Charlotte, NC area-thanks.

http://surgery.wustl.edu/TOS_Consortium.aspx

Check out this website for more listing. These are the most well known dr's in the TOS consortium. If you dont want to travel-call a few to see if they can recommend someone in your area. I have another source I will check for you later when I have some more time.

Limoges 04-10-2012 04:34 PM

That's a great list, thanks for posting it!

khakis 04-10-2012 05:47 PM

Thank you so much--appreciate your time and help!

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkl626 (Post 868468)
http://surgery.wustl.edu/TOS_Consortium.aspx

Check out this website for more listing. These are the most well known dr's in the TOS consortium. If you dont want to travel-call a few to see if they can recommend someone in your area. I have another source I will check for you later when I have some more time.
julia(jkl626)


jkl626 04-10-2012 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chroma (Post 868265)
I can't tell from your message if you're investing any time into your body each day and how so. I find this is essential for resolving or reducing problems. I also find that with TOS, it can be very touchy as to what things will work or not.

Resources I recommend include:

"Pain Free at the PC" by Egoscue

"3 Minutes to a Pain-Free Life" by Weisberg & Shink

"The Core Program" by Brill

"Posture, Get It Straight" DVD by Novak (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Y9AELC/)

I've owned up to the fact that if I want my body to work reasonably well, I have to invest in it every morning.

I know that might not be the kind of answer you were looking for, but these are things that you can get started with for cheap right away and may be helpful if you haven't explored them already.

are all of these online?

jkl626 04-10-2012 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khakis (Post 868509)
Thank you so much--appreciate your time and help!

Youre welcome and Good luck! I saw 4 different TOS doctors before I settled on one and and I havent even started with Surgeons yet.I've also done a ton of research so I will look for someone in your area.

imawildflower 04-10-2012 09:56 PM

Im new to this so I hope what I have to say will inspire you to see another doctor on your long list. My husband just turned 50 and has always been active. For the last 5 years he has had headaches, numbness in both arms and fingers. 1 year ago he was in the ER for what was diagnosed as pneumonia. He got better and then bad again. Another ER visit and he had bi lateral multi pulmanary emboli ( blood clots), in both lungs.

I will keep it brief, but through having to take coumadin a blood thinner multi[ple test and doctors we just today have a solution to where the clots came from. We went to see a Vascular Surgeon whom ran several tests including an outpatient procedure today called a veinography. It was worth its weight in gold.

they put catheters in the right leg and in the arm and ran dye through it. There it was a .large vein going through the clavical and rib. the doctor is 90% positive this is where they originated from and went to the lungs.
My husband has had carpil tunnel surgery and elbow surgeries and nothing has solved it. The doctor in convinced this is his problem. So through all the EMG's, CT Scans and Ultra sounds nothing prooved positive until this test.
Yes, they sedate you to twighlight, but there is no pain during and you can even talk, (or at least my husband could). The procedure took an 1 hour and he walked out of the hospital. The pain afterward is minimal not even a Tylenol. I can certainly feel what your going through and sympathize greatly for your pain. Perhaps, it might be worth seeing a Vascular/Endovascular surgeon like we did.

We were lucky that my husband made it through the clots without stroke or heart attack. He has all the symptoms you are talking about including when the check his pulse with his arms up it becomes vertually non exsistant. Numbness in arms, tingling, back pain, left hip pain, no grip and even a slight tremor. doc said that if my husbands wasnt so severe causing the vein to be restricted and 2 hospitalizations, PT might have worked. From what I have been reading online it sounds as though your symptoms are getting worse, or traveling further.
I hope that our experience has been helpful and I wish you luck and a quick recovery
Quote:

Originally Posted by khakis (Post 867447)
Hi, I'm posting again because some symptoms have changed and I'm hoping to get more insight from some of you on if it's TOS and what to do next? Or do I keep waiting it out??
Symtoms-started 2 months ago as carp. tunnel, then ulnar, then shoulder. Now there is almost constant burning under arm pits & back of arms-both sides, occasional pain across back of neck.
Physiatrist thought TOS and wants to do an EMG (have not yet); I don't want a chiro (sorry, no use trying-husband has tried and I won't yet). I am willing (now) to fork over the $2k for the EMG, but wonder if I should see another DR first--preferably who might diagnose and give PT exercises without more tests.
I can't seem to find any around me who specify TOS as a specialty--I don't believe I'll need surgery so I havent gone that route. I read Jo*Mar state most of you had no luck with orthos. From a DR standpoint--should I try neuro, ortho, or a dif physiatrist? I have checked the DR list, none around me--I'm in Charlotte area.
THANKS everyone!


chroma 04-13-2012 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkl626 (Post 868545)
are all of these online?

You can buy them online. They are books and DVDs. The cost is close to $0 compared to a single session of PT or chiro, and way cheap for the information and benefits therein.


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