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ewizabeth 05-04-2012 10:10 PM

Had a car accident, my fault I think?
 
I ran a red light on my way to work and a lady hit me broadside. I didn't see the red light, it didn't register. I didn't even believe I did it until another driver told the cop I ran the light. This ruins my perfect driving record and did about $3,000 damage to my car and who knows to the other car. I still doubt it was my fault but two people say it was. :(

The other lady hit me pretty hard on the driver's side so she had to be distracted too but of course didn't admit any wrongdoing. :(

I went to work afterward, not hurt at all, but my co-workers tell me I should take painkiller at bedtime because I might be sore in the morning. I'll have to pay a $120 ticket and $500 deductible for my repairs. :mad:

SallyC 05-04-2012 10:18 PM

OH Wiz, I'm so sorry.:eek::( I'm glad you were not hurt bad and the other driver, too.

Take care and let us know how you feel in the morning..:hug::hug::hug:

doydie 05-04-2012 11:05 PM

I would ask if there are any surveilance cameras from businesses that might have seen the accident. Or maybe I just watch to much CSI

Blessings2You 05-05-2012 04:43 AM

Oh no! What a nightmare!

Dejibo 05-05-2012 06:44 AM

:eek:Oh, im so sorry. Car accidents stink, no matter who is a fault. I am glad you and the other lady are not hurt. :hug:

Kitty 05-05-2012 09:01 AM

I'm so glad no one was injured. I hope the insurance claim goes smoothly. I've never been in an accident where I was at fault....but either way it's upsetting. I agree, you might be sore the following day. I know I was.

ANNagain 05-05-2012 10:59 AM

Wiz-

I hope you are feeling OK today but I suspect you know by your body that you were in an accident!

Very glad they you were not seriously hurt.
ANN

SallyC 05-05-2012 11:27 AM

How are you feeling Wizzy? :hug:

Natalie8 05-05-2012 04:22 PM

Oh, Wiz!!!! So sorry to hear you had a car crash. I got T-boned on the driver's side once. Just know that your body is going to ache for awhile. Car crashes are physically and mentally traumatizing. Please take care of yourself. Sending you positive thoughts. :hug::hug:

ewizabeth 05-05-2012 10:11 PM

I felt fine today but my ego is bruised. My car has six air bags and none went off. I have to meet with the insurance lady next week, how embarrassing. I can be very distracted driving and I was very tired because I had gotten up at dawn after closing the night before, then after an early morning sales meeting, I went for job testing and an interview for a local job. I zipped home, had lunch, freshened up and was on my way back to work for the closing shift. And I had worked on homework at home just before leaving. I know I was tired and distracted and it really scared me. I'm going to be much more careful as a result. Also, I feel like it was a blessing because it didn't hurt anyone but will make me change my driving habits. I was brushing my hair as I drove and that is considered distracted driving. Never again.

And all day yesterday and today my co-workers were sharing their stories of their crashes and tickets to make me feel better. They are so good to me, lol. They're the best.

Debbie D 05-06-2012 11:04 AM

Aw Wiz:hug::hug:

The scary part of your post is that you didn't realize the red light...I know how distracted we can get...but wow...
hope you're still feeling good. Dust yourself off and leave it behind...

SallyC 05-06-2012 11:39 AM

Another darn thing our MS has taken away. The ability to easily do what used to be 2nd nature..:mad: Now we must constantly consentrate on what we are doing and where we are going.:eek: IT STINKS!!!!

WIZ..:hug::hug:

karilann 05-06-2012 04:34 PM

Dont feel too bad.....thats why they call them accidents! I'm sure you will be more focused from now on!!

ewizabeth 05-06-2012 08:46 PM

My son was shaking when he got there. I called him first and he rushed down there and hugged me and said he was so scared that I was hurt bad. He and DH were most concerned about that and I feel grateful for that. I know MS makes me more easily distracted and harder to concentrate. This was my wakeup call for driving more carefully. Thanks for all the support, I knew you would all understand and relate. Love to all of you. :grouphug:

Jules A 05-06-2012 09:20 PM

Hey Girl, if it makes you feel any better I did the exact same thing many years ago. :o

Like Karilann said that is why they are called accidents. :hug:

jackD 05-07-2012 03:07 AM

GET ALL MSers OFF THE ROADS!!!!
 
Send out the Army to round them up!!!

jackD


Quote:

Neurology. 2001 Apr 24;56(8):1089-94.

The influence of cognitive impairment on driving performance in multiple sclerosis.

Schultheis MT, Garay E, DeLuca J.

Source Neuropsychology and Neuroscience Laboratory, Kessler Medical Rehabilitation Research and Education Corporation, West Orange, NJ 07052, USA. mschultheis@kmrrec.org

OBJECTIVE: To examine the influence of impaired cognitive processing on measures of driving skills in persons with MS.

METHODS: Twenty-eight subjects with documented MS were divided into two groups-with [MS(+), n = 13] and without [MS(-), n = 15] cognitive impairment-based on neuropsychological performance. Healthy control (HC) subjects (n = 17) matched on age and driving experience were also studied. Driving-related skills were compared between the groups based on performance on two computerized driving tests: the Useful Field of Vision (UFOV) and the Neurocognitive Driving Test (NDT).

RESULTS: The MS(+) group performed significantly worse than both the MS(-) and HC groups in the latency to perform several driving-specific functions on the NDT, but no overall group differences were observed in actual errors on the NDT. On the UFOV, when compared to MS(-) and HC subjects, the MS(+) group demonstrated poorer performance on two of the three subtests. Additionally, a significantly higher percentage of MS(+) individuals were rated within the high risk (probability of crash involvement) category, relative to the MS(-) and HC groups.

CONCLUSIONS: Cognitive impairment can negatively affect driving-related skills in persons with MS and should be considered in the determination of driving ability.

PMID:11320184[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Arch Phys Med Rehabil. 2002 Aug;83(8):1175-8.
Motor vehicle crashes and violations among drivers with multiple sclerosis.
Schultheis MT, Garay E, Millis SR, Deluca J.
SourceNeuropsychology and Neuroscience Laboratory, Kessler Medical Rehabilitation Research and Education Corp, West Orange, NJ 07052, USA. mschultheis@kmrrec.org

Abstract
OBJECTIVE: To investigate differences in the incidence of motor vehicle crashes (MVCs) and violations among drivers with multiple sclerosis (MS) when cognitive impairment is present.

DESIGN: Archival evaluation of Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) records.

SETTING: Medical rehabilitation research organization.

PARTICIPANTS: Community-dwelling drivers, 27 subjects with documented MS (14 MS without cognitive impairment [MS-], 13 MS with cognitive impairment [MS+]) and 17 healthy control subjects, matched on age, sex, and driving experience.

INTERVENTIONS: Not applicable.

MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Incidence of MVCs and motor vehicle violations as documented by DMV reports for the past 5 years.

RESULTS: MS+ subjects showed a higher incidence of MVCs when compared with control and MS- subjects. No significant difference in the incidence of motor vehicle violations was observed between groups.

CONCLUSIONS: The presence of cognitive impairment in drivers with MS can result in an increased risk of MVC involvement.

Copyright 2002 by the American Congress of Rehabilitation Medicine and the American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

PMID:12161844[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Quote:

Ugeskr Laeger. 2002 Oct 28;164(44):5134-7.

[Increased frequency of traffic accidents among patients with disseminated sclerosis].
[Article in Danish]


Lings S.
SourceArbejds- og miljømedicinsk klinik, Odense Universitetshospital, DK-5000 Odense C. s.lings@ouh.fyns-amt.dk

INTRODUCTION: The influence of medical conditions on the ability to drive safely is a matter of concern to both physicians and society. Obviously, the symptoms in multiple sclerosis (MS) are of relevance when driving a car. Nevertheless this problem has never before been subject to scientific investigations.

MATERIAL AND METHODS: A 10-year historical cohort register study on 197 patients with MS and 545 controls individually matched for age, gender, place of residence, and period of exposure. Persons with other neurological diseases, diabetes, or abuse were excluded. The outcome measure was treatment at an emergency department after an accident as a car driver.

RESULTS: Five patients and four controls had been treated. The rate per 1,000 person-years with exposure was 3.4 times higher (CI 0.73-17.15) in the patients than in the control cohort. The difference is significant in a one-sided test (p = 0.04).

DISCUSSION: This study showed that drivers with MS were more often treated at a casualty department after having a road traffic accident than healthy controls. In view of the small numbers, the results should be interpreted cautiously, and no drastic measures should be taken regarding patients' driving until the results have been further substantiated.

PMID:12448159[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Quote:

1Acta Neurol Scand. 2002 Mar;105(3):169-73.
Driving accident frequency increased in patients with multiple sclerosis.
Lings S.
SourceThe Department of Occupational and Environmental Medicine and The Accident Analysis Group, Odense University Hospital, Denmark. s.lings@ouh.fyns-amt.dk

Abstract
OBJECTIVES: To assess the influence of multiple sclerosis (MS) on the ability to drive safely.

MATERIAL AND METHODS: A 10-year historical cohort register-study on 197 patients with MS and 545 controls individually matched on age, gender, place of residence, and exposure period. Persons with other neurological diseases, diabetes or abuse were excluded. The outcome measure was treatment at the emergency department after accident as a car driver.

RESULTS: Five patients and four controls had been treated, the rate per 1000 person-years with exposure being 3.4 times higher (CI 0.73-17.15) in the patients than in the control cohort. The difference is significant in one-sided test (P=0.04).

CONCLUSION: Drivers with MS were treated more often than healthy controls at a casualty department after having a road traffic accident. However, drastic consequences regarding the patients automobile driving should be avoided until these results have been substantiated by further investigations.

PMID:11886359[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Jules A 05-07-2012 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackD (Post 876923)
Send out the Army to round them up!!!

jackD





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Although those groups were too small to be significant imo I don't think anyone will argue that people with cognitive difficulties, no matter what their diagnosis, are at risk to have increased motor vehicle accidents. Some of these "studies" that actually get published amaze me. :rolleyes:

Like this one:
A diagnosis of HIV infection evoked strong and long lasting emotional reactions in women. Stevens PE, Hildebrandt E.

Really??? I'd have never guessed that being diagnosed with a chronic, life threatening disease would evoke strong and lasting emotional reactions, snort.

mochagirl13 05-07-2012 09:14 AM

Glad your okay. Not only do we have to be cognizant of ourselves but the other drivers. I was rear ended a few years ago by an uninsured motorist. It was winter so the police wouldn't come because there were no injuries. Long story short my car is still damaged with only $500 worth of damage and he served 14 days in the county. He even went so far as to say that he was not driving because his license was suspended for driving without insurance. At court he offered me $600 to leave so he wouldn't be convicted. All this could have been avoided if he would have been honest. I would have taken a payment plan or he could have worked off his debt by cutting my grass during the warmer months or other little home projects.

SallyC 05-07-2012 10:40 AM

Thanks Jack baby, what would we do without you?

I quit driving because of my slower reflex actions. Same thing with my scooter..:D..I'm always running into walls and door jams..:eek:

Kitty 05-07-2012 10:46 AM

I stopped driving voluntarily. My cognitive abilities have taken such a hit that I just don't trust my own judgment anymore. It's rough, too, when you live alone. It really isolates you.

NurseNancy 05-07-2012 01:41 PM

wiz,

i'm glad you're ok and no one on the road was hurt.
how scary. i know your post was a wake up call to not only you but to anyone who reads it.

:hug:

Debbie D 05-07-2012 03:28 PM

I am just so relieved that our sweet Wiz is not injured...even though she works for the enemy;)

Hope you're doing well today, sweetie...:hug:


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