elevated ribs without scalene problems??
 

other than scar tissue and or scalenes or ridiculous forward head posture

is there anything which would cause your ribs to elevate

getting ****** off here. i do not want to go in for adjustments the rest of my life

The only thing I can think of is due to the EDS they just keep popping up very easily...
can you take a friend or family member to learn how to drop them down for you, so you don't have to keep going & paying for adjusting.

I think my chiro would have showed dh or a friend how to do it if it was something I needed very often or ongoing...

Mine popped up a few times after the extreme spasm episode, but stayed down for the most part after spasms were gone & chiro readjusted those times.

But I only have moderate hyper mobility, EDS is a whole other complicating factor...for you..:(

I can now feel when mine start to go up and stop doing whatever it is if I can.
I can also get then to relax and drop back with rest, if I rest those muscles that are pulling , then they go back down.

In Sept 2011 decided to see how long I could go without any chiro/adjusting/PT and so far I've been doing OK on my own with home stuff.
I had been going monthly since 2005.
Just thought I'd try and see how I did on my own for awhile..

thanks jomar

ive seen videos about how to lower them, i am going to try.

my whole t-spine is messed up and really hypomobile. one pt said im hyper and hypomobile and my ribs are twisted, right side going forward bc im rt handed :(

i do know of a cheap chiro. i was thinking of going to him at some point. definitely cheaper than pt.

might be good to make sure they are knowledgeable of EDS, might make some difference on how they tx you..

yeah sadly not many people know about it. the one chiro who did jerked my neck around and gave me all of these awful weight trainign exercises at home. NEVER AGAIN.

i know of another nice one, i can just tell him exactly what i want. nobody is ever touching my c spine again

MsPenny,

I do not have scalene hypertrophy. My rib cage was twisted with multiple subluxations and torsions. I'm not sure if our situations are the same as it seems like you are hypermobile while I am hypomobile.

My rib mobility was greatly improved on the left after rib resection. I'm hoping for them same result on my right side (just had surgery Thursday).

wow its amazing youre typing at all, congratz. that must be a good sign.


so you can move your ribs around more easily, like t-spine? i would assume its too soon post op to really tell. and then eventually maybe you can get your entire rib cage to be more symmetrical with exercise since it's unstuck?

the thing about scalenes/scm is they CAN get aggravated but it's because the ribs are jacked up. that's my experience, not the other way around. good to know im not aloen

im trying to pay attn to keeping my right arm by my side and not twisting the rt side of my torso forward. the ribs elevating though.......... eff eff

ill post my xrays if i ever get them. maybe ill take them to a chiro

My therapist, Dr. Ando checks and adjust my ribs and spine. There are also modalities they have me do on a soft foam roll and yamuna balls. I'll restart therapy once my post-surgery pain has gone away.

I don't have a soft foam roll at home, just a hard one. After working with Ando, forum member JKL came up with the idea of wrapping a yoga mat around our hard foam rolls. I may try this or a may just buy a soft one. I'm only doing the rib stuff at therapy for the time being. I'm thinking once Dr. Ando gets me fully aligned, I can maintain by just doing the foam rolls and yamuna at home. They don't want me doing any weight stuff until my ribs, joints, and nerves are properly aligned and stretched.

http://www.andoaston.com/about
http://www.andoaston.com/well_bodyrolling
http://www.yamunabodyrolling.com/

I wish I knew what caused my ribs to elevate in the first place. I had a car accident in 2005 and that may have been the origination of the rib subluxations. I had another accident in 2010 which really flared my TOS and cervical neuralgia. I'm starting to believe my ribs led to all my other issues including my forward head posture (corrected by cervical fusion surgery). My posture improved noticeably immediately after my rib resection surgeries when I look in the mirror and when I do my postural stretch/test:

I believe TOS causes bad posture in at least some cases and not the other way around as many would have you believe.

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Hi, the hard roller with the yoga mat is still too hard especially on the breast area. I ordered the soft roll (pink one) from

www.protherapysupplies.com/ it was $ 35 they offer free shipping or
www.optp.com/ is the manufacturer,but no free shipping.

I just received it Friday and have used it 3 times,it is much better. Also you can use a small weight ball with sand in it instead,I bought a box with two of these and a large pilates ball at Ross Dress For Less. you just have to move it around more. i also bought from Dr. Ando's office: a Karate belt for scalene side neck streches and a ball on a stick for trigger pt massage.

They really do help!
JKL

yeah i have a hard foam roller and i have had my worst flare ups by far using that thing. its way too thick and i i feel a kink in my back where the bottom of my ribs start (aka kyphosis!) and i try to press the stupid thing out..then i flare up and it doesnt go away for weeks. i need something like that soft and thinner but im still scared of them tbh.

i can do a cat stretch now tho without a flare up. i couldn't do that a year ago.

my tos was completely caused by my shoulders being unstable. theyre disgusting. but now im worried when they get stronger the damage will already be done. i have experienced, personally, awful posture because i am already in pain and vice versa. its a feedback loop. i actually have a pic of my back after a flare up and you can see it. my right shoulder is hiked up and more twisted than usual. so hell yes i am going to slouch, lol

my levator muscles cause my neck pain. they're the equivalent of most peoples scalenes here i guess. they feel like a toxic waste dump..same with my arm pits/lats :(

Just sounding off here that I also get the rib elevation. I'm right handed and my TOS is primarily on the left side. My left/TOS side is the side where I get the rib elevation and torsion.

In the network of disfunction that is my left side, I no longer know who is the Cause and who is the Effect.

I too have had problems with foam rollers being too hard. I even dropped to a half roller and put a blanket on it and the thing is still too hard. So I'll give that pink one a try.

I like the 2 lb soft weight ball too(sand filled). Much softer than even the foam roller. also cheaper. I use both now. I keep one ball by my bed at night.

Chroma,

You should give Dr. Ando a try. They will even do a free 15 minute consult with you. www.andoaston.com

They also sell the foam rollers and yamuna balls.

i started using this theraband flexbar i had for my elbows its still too hard but its very small like a rolling pin and i put it VERTICALLY, right up against one side of my t-spine ribs area at a time so left side then right. these are my problem areas. i dont need the huge foam roller tbh for me its dangerous

yesterday i went to pt and my rt rib was elevated and i had teh WORST trigger points in my occipital area on my right but not my left. so i do think the rib elevation triggered all of that, i srsly doubt i was jerking my occiptals around on just one side. doesnt make snese

in my case, the upper plexus compression with the rib elevated was causing the occipital triggers. I have not had any more occipital symptoms since my rib resections.