Bryanna you sure seem to know what your talking about with teeth
 

Bryanna you sure seem to know what your talking about with teeth and all you effort and information posted is greatly appreciated indeed please know that! i have a dead tooth at the top left from (incisor) and it was infected and there now is quite a large bone hard lump above that tooth, i was told that a root canal would clear it but as im a holistic person i have researched all about root canals but this lump is there because the tooth is there still and it is in the bone right? , how can this be cleaned out and made infection free completely?

Chris

Hi Chris,

Thank you for your kind words. I try to help as much as I can.

I have a sense that you already know what I am going to say but......
The only way to remove the infection is to remove the source...... which is the tooth. As long as you have the tooth, irrelevant of what is done to it, you will have the infection.

There is access to the tiny canals inside of the tooth. Therefore there is no way to clean them out meaning they will always harbor necrotic nerve tissue. This bacteria eats through the tooth and the ligament and travels into the jawbone. Based on your description, the bacteria has already proliferated into the jawbone. To have an apicoectomy done... this is a barbaric surgical procedure in which a window is made in the jawbone above the tooth and the infected cyst is somewhat scraped out.... does nothing to cure the infection inside of the tooth. So the method of "cleaning it out" via an apicoectomy is useless, painful and very expensive. In fact the apico actually causes further trauma, injury and inflammation in the already diseased jaw bone.

I know this is not what you had hoped to hear...... however, it is the truth of the matter and your dentist may or may not inform you of this at this time. Usually a dentist will inform the patient about this after the procedure fails. I know that's not comforting to hear..... but again it's the truth.

You said you have done some research on root canals.... have you seen this article by Dr Mercola??

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...ot-canals.aspx

We're here if you have more questions.... :)
Bryanna

Chris
I will post what I went thourgh and what Byranna suggested to me. Yes she does know what she is talking about also. I can 100% assume you of that. All Dentists want to save your teeth, that I know. Its their job. I also would think if a tooth can be saved then by all means please try to save it. If you tooth is infected there are things that Dentists do to try and save them. The success rate is very low in most all cases and they all know that.

In my case I had a canine tooth that was infected and the Oral surgeon give me one last choice to do an Appico on it after I was already in the chair ready for the extraction. Bryanna had already told me they would suggest this because its their job. I told them I knew about the success rate and being I am almost age 66 and had that infected tooth for way to long just snatch it out.:eek: After it was removed he said I made the right decision. He also called my local dentist and told them the same thing which impressed me about him. They called me yesterday and told me that.

What Bryanna is telling you is if you want to be 100% sure the infection is removed then the only for sure way is extract that tooth. I know you do not want to hear that but it is the truth. The infected tooth that I had removed was full of infection and should have been removed years ago. Instead they did an Appico on it many years ago and now I have a large V sized area in my gum from years of infection that eat away at the bone. If they would have removed that tooth years ago I could have saved probably 2 grand I spent on it trying to save it.

I know you can read on the internet where dentists do root canals everyday with great success. I will tell you what a good Dentist friend of mine told me many years ago. Pass on those root canals. He was one of the smartest and best dentist in our area and he knew what he was talking about. He came up way before the root canal fad started. He died about 7 years ago at the age of 78.

Ask you dentist if there is anything that will 100% save an infected tooth. Then ask them if you remove it will the infection be gone? I would like to know their answer. :rolleyes:

Bryanna has seem this type thing for 35 years and again I can assure you she knows what she is talking about and she will not lead you in the wrong area. I am a witness to this first hand. I wish I could repay her because she saved me probably $ 800 of my hard earned money. :D:D
Tom

Hi Bryanna

Yes I sure understand regarding the tiny tubule canals in the tooth heres another few points regarding such, 1, the tooth in question has been filed down to a stump for a crown so would there be as many of the canals accessibility and 2, this specialist endontic suggested that he would fill the tooth with a substance call Biodentine with is kind of like a calcium hydroxide which apparently expands somewhat once it is inserted into the main root canal however I am wondering how this would work with the periodontal ligament, overall bottom line is get the tooth extracted period right 100%?

Hi

Thank you so much for your feedback on this subject, greatly appreciated. Yes I do now understand that the only way to be free from infection is get the tooth removed though im sure you have heard of specialist people say you need the ligament removed as well as some on the bone socket scraped away to avoid any possible infection of cavitation there right, whats your view on this? or im of the opinion that when the tooth is removed it will naturally clean and heal itself hence it can drain fully etc.

Tom....

Thank you for all of your kind words :)

I am so glad you were open to the information I was giving you..... in spite of the information that your dentists were giving you. Like you said.. the dentist confirmed the tooth needed to come out..... after the fact.

Bryanna :)

Hi Chris,

The dentin tubules are located beyond the dentin throughout the entire tooth... including the root structure. People often think that once the top portion of the tooth above the gumline (referred to as the crown of the tooth) is shaved down that there is no tooth structure remaining. The fact is that the roots of the tooth are still present and they have the same anatomical components as the crown portion of the tooth.

I am posting a link of a very detailed diagram of a tooth. The black curvy lines throughout the tooth represent the dentin tubules. So you can see how there would be no access to these canals..... imagine these tiny canals harboring necrotic nerve tissue. That's a lot of bacteria! The "passageway for nerves and blood vessels" called the root canal (labeled on the right of the diagram) are the only areas that are instrumented during the rc procedure. At the end of each root, you will see how the blood vessel connects from inside of the tooth through a hole directly into the blood vessel in the jawbone. During a root canal procedure, these vessels are severed and the hole at the end of the root is plugged up. Therefore the tooth is no longer nourished by the blood. So imagine what happens to the nerve tissue inside of the dentin tubules when there is no longer and nourishment. The periodontal ligament outlines the entire root structure of the tooth and it requires blood to remain vital. Once the blood supply is cut off, this ligament will no longer be vital and it too becomes necrotic tissue. This sets off a chain reaction of inflammation causing an ischemic response in the bone.

After you review this diagram you can see..... it is irrelevant of what is done to the infected tooth.... there is no procedure or medicament to "save" this tooth from being chronically infected.

Here's the link...
http://www.mouthhealthy.org/az-topics/t/tooth.aspx

Please give us your feedback.
Bryanna

Chris,

Regarding the periodontal ligament...
Think of the ligament as an elastic band that provides a cushion for the tooth to rest comfortably in the jawbone. This ligament is meant to be a live nutritional blanket that not only feeds the tooth nutrition but also protects the tooth from harm. So yes, you do need to have the ligament removed and the necrotic bone scraped when the tooth is extracted. The immune system cannot be expected to clean this dead debris and bacteria out through any draining process. The necrosis has got to be physically removed or it will continue to fester.

A couple anatomical examples.....

When a child is born, there is the afterbirth called the placenta. If that were left in place, the entire abdominal cavity would become ridden with bacteria risking the life of the women.

When a orthopedic surgery does a joint replacement.... if he does not scrape the bone clear prior to placing the replacement, any residual bacteria would lead to infection, loss of joint and put the patient at an increased risk of systemic infection.

The mouth is no different than any other place in or on the body. Unfortunately the dental and medical profession need to move a bit faster in recognizing how important our dental health is for our overall health. Because that is what is truly needed for people to become better informed.

Bryanna

Hi Bryanna

The tooth in question is number 8 upper and my own apparent holistic dentist said that because it is my front tooth and im 34 years old she said no way to loose that and definitely do a root canal, now my opinion on proper holistic dentist would not recommend a root canal period right or am i wrong there? So as I have read in some of your other posts regarding finding the right person/dentist is a nightmare almost as there are so little and as im based in Northern Ireland there is only that one person that im already with. This thing is really affecting my overall health giving me little energy and i so need a fast solution like yesterday

Hi Chris,

If you have read anything that I have posted you will understand that to do a root canal will not cure your infected tooth.

Anyone can call themselves Holistic. It is only when they practice true holistic care which basically means providing treatment that does not cause systemic health risks, that they believe holistically.

Dentists are reluctant to tell patients about the health risks of root canal therapy because they make a lot of money doing them. Amongst the dental professionals root canal therapy is referred to as the "cash cow". A dentist who is strongly convicted to the welfare of their patient will provide you with the information that I have here.

Another reason why the dentist is reluctant to suggest removal of this tooth is because it may be complicated or difficult to replace. When this tooth is removed and the bone is debrided, the end result may be a higher bone margin along the gum line. So esthetically the replacement tooth may look different than the tooth next to it. It also may not be a good site for an implant due to the infection so your replacement options may be limited to either a partial denture or a multi unit bridge. These are the things you should be talking about with your dentist.

It is inevitable that you are going to lose that tooth. The longer you keep, the longer you have the infection and the more wide spread it will become. I know that is not what you want to hear... I'm truly sorry but that is the truth of the matter. You need to decide what is in your best interest.... retain an infected tooth for an undisclosed amount of time and deal with systemic consequences or remove the tooth which is the source of infection and proceed with healing and replacement of the tooth.

I wish I could give you a better alternative..... I really do :/

Bryanna

Hi Bryanna

Thank you again for your wise words and information. Yes I will have to get the tooth out I know that but when I said that to my dentist she was refusing to do it somewhat and I had that same experience when i went for a second opinion for extraction. That dentist opened up the tooth to try and drain it and its still open as I type now. I read your post earlier regarding an oral surgeon and thats what I going to try and do but as you know appointments and getting the right person that actually knows what they are doing is a long hard process nevermind the expense of it, I cant believe how much dentists charge in the UK for example a mark up of £320 on Zirconia crowns (each). Im like just give me a minute until I park my camel and get it some water! He he :ROTFLMAO:

Hi chris,

What I am about to tell you is not going to make you happy but you need to know that opening an infected tooth and letting it drain is VERY OLD SCHOOL DENTISTRY. Nobody does that anymore because there is no benefit to it. The dentin tubules are not draining and that is where the problem lies.

Your general dentist cannot make you keep an infected tooth. It is his/her legal obligation to discuss ALL of your options and allow you to make the decision that you feel is in your best interest. This includes replacement options because unless you don't mind walking around without a front tooth, you will need to have something made prior to the extraction to wear during the healing phase.

If this dentist is uncooperative, then seek a new one. I understand dentistry is very expensive.... ridiculously expensive even here in the US. But the longer this goes on the more complicated it will become.

I wish I could offer you more help than this. It is up to you to decide what you feel is best and pursue that path as best as you can. Believe me, when a patient is decisive, they get treated differently.

Please keep in touch here....
Bryanna

Hi Bryanna

I will be seeing about this tomorrow and will have it sorted one way of another all being well, quite simply im not putting up with a tooth thats causing me to feel unwell hence im not going to let a tooth decide my health.. Health is amazing and its in all our interests to look after it as best we can. Thanks Byranna for your experienced comments and you are truly an amazing credit to this forum! :wink:

Hi Bryanna

I also remember a so called specialist telling me that the large bone lump I have above this dead infected tooth may not go away even if the tooth is removed?, is that because it has damaged the bone or beacuse the infection is still there ie the tooth?

Hi Chris,

It depends on what the lump is exactly as to whether or not it can be removed or reduced at the time the tooth is removed. Infected teeth can cause damage and permanent change to occur in the bone. This is one big reason why I urge people not to hang onto an infected tooth for too long because the more chronic/long term the infection the more deterioration in the bone.

It is imperative for the oral surgeon to debride the bone as thoroughly as possible when the tooth is removed. The debridement encourages the growth of healthy cells often resulting in a more complete healing. If possible, bone graft material is placed in the portion of bone that is missing as a result of the infection. But the bone has to be healthy and able to hold the graft or it will not take.

You are seeing this situation more clearly now.... that is good! I know this is difficult to deal with... but hopefully it will help you to know that you have a very common dental problem. All dentists have dealt with your situation more times than they care to admit because root canal therapy is most often misrepresented to the patient as a "cure" for the original infection. Dentists should explain the long term risks of having the root canal done as well as the benefits of removing it before it becomes a serious problem. I'm sorry to say those issues are rarely discussed in most conventional dental practices.... even in some holistic ones as well. Depends on where the dentist received his education as to how much he has learned outside of the usual curriculum and how he views the oral health as it relates to the whole body.

Keep us posted....
Bryanna

Hi Gerry,

I think it's important for you to be able to visualize what is going on with tooth #18. So I will try to give you an image of what it looks like based on your description here.

First let me say it is not unusual for decay to develop on the root surface of a tooth that has gum recession. Secondly the cement used to adhere a crown has a limited life span of about 10-15 years max. Once the cement has worn out, bacteria can get in underneath the crown causing decay. Decay cannot be seen radio-graphically under crowns that have a metal substructure, which means they appear to be all gold or they have a porcelain on top fused to the metal, until it has spread to the root surface.

Some dentists will attempt to remove the decay that they can visually see and try to "patch up" the hole with a filling. However, there is no way to see how far or deep the decay is underneath the crown. If the dentist had to remove a portion of the crown and/or drill at all under the crown then the decay is deeper than he was able to reach. So the tooth is most likely decayed at or in the pulp.... thus the throbbing pain that you keep getting. The pulp is often referred to as the core of the tooth.

If the crown itself were to be removed.... it would be full of pieces of the decayed tooth and there would be little to no tooth structure remaining above the gum line because it's been eaten away by the decay. Sorry for that description but I'm trying to give you a visual :/

In situations like yours, dentists will frequently tell a patient that a root canal may buy you some time because they've gotten the impression that the patient is not ready to deal with removing it. More so than they believe the root canal procedure will have any benefit. Shortly after the procedure, the tooth will become further infected and then you will be told....well the root canal didn't work you have to remove the tooth.

The problem with going down the root canal path is....
The procedure itself will cause further injury and inflammation in an already compromised area. New bacteria will be introduced into this tooth which will eventually erupt into a full blown infection.

I know you are concerned about what will happen to your upper teeth once this tooth is removed. You also mentioned that you have other teeth that may not be in such great shape. It may behoove you to discuss the health of your other teeth with your dentist and see if there are any other lower teeth that are in poor health. If there are, then you could talk with him about the longevity of these teeth and you may discover that you are a good candidate for a removable partial denture on the bottom sooner than you realized. I hope I was able to explain that clearly.......

Gerry, I am very concerned about your health especially given your medical history. Which by the way, thank you for sharing it because it does matter. I am fairly certain that your oncologist would urge you to remove teeth that are not healthy because you really cannot risk chronic infection especially in your mouth as it travels too freely in the blood stream.

I hope I have explained things okay. If you need further clarification or have any more questions.... please come back and let me know.

Bryanna

Hi Bryanna

Just wanted to ask you on the partial denture situation hence what would be the most friendly biocompatible one that you know of? Another thing is that the tooth next to the dead 8 is 9 and it was filed down for a crown and I am off the idea that I dont even want dental cements in my mouth for chance of allergic reaction to any crown materials or crowns etc, any idea on the best bio option here? I was nearly suggesting removing 9 that is functioning hence to avoid the crown situation. If I had only known what crowing a tooth meant in the first place I would never have went near it. When I mentioned to the dentist regarding the periodontal ligament and cleaning the area she just said that she would give it a through clean hence is that enough or must the ligament be removed along with bone scraping? Thanks Byanna

Infection of 33 year old root canal and sinuses
 

I was trying to find information about infections and came across this site. I have read that it is better to extract the tooth (#14) than to do another root canal. The question I have is that pain began monday night with a sinus headache on the left side, and through the night, my tooth began to hurt. I attributed this to sinus pressure, and as the day wore on, the pain lessened. I did hear a slight pop in my left ear, and it felt "clogged". Tuesday night the pain was back, and the tooth hurt more and more. Wednesday night I woke up every 2 hours, percocet did nothing for the pain. I saw my dentist, he said I should see the endodontist, and prescribed penicillin. The endo said there is an infection in the root canal and slight bone loss. The options were remove the tooth, and then bridge or implant, or re-do the root canal. She did not say there was no way to completely remove the infection, though. I started taking 800mg ibuprofen as soon as I left there, then the penicillin an hour later. By friday morning, 95% of the pain was gone, and my tooth felt like "it was back in place". Before, it felt like it was being pushed down from above. My left sinus started draining a clear fluid, as if a faucet had opened up. I am now able to again chew on the left side. There is a lot of swelling in my left cheek still. The root canal was done 33 years ago, and this is the first time there has ever been a problem. What would your recommendation be? I'm not sure if this is caused by sinuses or root canal problems. Thank you for any information.

Hi Chris,

You have some very valid concerns! Most people never give a second thought to the materials or cements used in dentistry.... and most dentist don't either :/

All dental materials/cements have some toxicity issue to them. It depends on the individual person as to what they may or may not be intolerant to more so than which material is less toxic. If that makes any sense....~

It is ideal to limit/omit the use of metals in the mouth for a few reasons.
But one significant reason is because metals are a conductor of electricity. Obviously it is never ideal to have electrical currents in your mouth so close to your brain. The action of this electrical current is often referred to as galvanic response. So to avoid metal in the mouth would be ideal. This includes metal mercury fillings called amalgams... gold crowns... porcelain fused to gold crowns..... metal posts in root canaled teeth (always adds insult to injury).....metal framework.... etc.

There are a few different acrylics or plastics that can be used to fabricate partial dentures. It depends on what dental lab the dentist uses and what they prefer to use. That is something you would have to discuss with her. And as I said before, it really all depends on what the individual is sensitive to intolerant to. Have you ever had a compatibility test done... like a Peak test or a Clifford test to see what you are reactive to?

Regarding the cements to adhere a crown...again there really is no such thing as a bio compatible cement. But there may be something that you are not reactive to.... that's where one of those tests would be helpful to you.

Regarding your dentists statement about removing this tooth and thoroughly cleaning it out..... I cannot tell you if her answer was incomplete or not. I cannot stress enough the importance of removing the perio ligament and derbiding the bone. It is imperative. I can tell you this..... most general dentists do not thoroughly debride the bone. The exception to this would be a general dentist who has had thorough training and has extensive experience in performing oral surgery. Otherwise, you are best off with an oral surgeon who has been trained to do this properly and without hesitation. Irrelevant of who you see.... I would make sure to tell them that you expect the ligament and any necrotic bone to be removed and the socket to be thoroughly cleaned out. So what if they take offense..... what do you care?

I hope this answers those questions you had.... let me know if you have any others.

Bryanna

Hi Bryanna

OK so my holistic dentist has a treatment plan in place with the holistic extraction including ligament and full cleaning of jaw bone along with a new Zirconia crown for the tooth beside which she says in more bio that e-max crowns. A removable partial resin bio denture etc and this will be happening in the next 2-4 weeks of treatment but I am on the cancellation list as I need it done quicker. Thats the best I could do on the holistic level Bryanna and my dentist is a good one and knows exactly when I explain dentistry to her in an holistic manner. New crown now costing £500 up another £100 from the last one I bought.

Hi Chris,

Okay sounds like a good plan to me!
I personally have zirconia crowns and I'm very happy with them. Yes, they are about as bio compatible as you can get.... so long as you are not sensitive to that material.

Hopefully all will go as planned without any issues!
Keep us posted :)
Bryanna

Hi Bryanna

I wanted to ask your opinion on what i was thinking about ie extracting the healthy crowned tooth which is next to the dead tooth at the front (9) and have a removable partial denture for the two front teeth instead but my dentist said she was unhappy about removing a healthy tooth. My view is that this would be simply to avoid any cements or toxic substances into my body as i dont really like crowns or the cement situation to be honest. I try and detox a lot in general so i clean my body of chemicals, saunas, steam rooms so having a cemented tooth is not ideal for me. What would be your opinion on this?

Hi Chris,

I would not remove a non root canaled healthy tooth. I would go with the zirconina crown and not be concerned about the cement unless I was definitely allergic to it.

Bryanna






QUOTE=chrisinireland;974063]Hi Bryanna

I wanted to ask your opinion on what i was thinking about ie extracting the healthy crowned tooth which is next to the dead tooth at the front (9) and have a removable partial denture for the two front teeth instead but my dentist said she was unhappy about removing a healthy tooth. My view is that this would be simply to avoid any cements or toxic substances into my body as i dont really like crowns or the cement situation to be honest. I try and detox a lot in general so i clean my body of chemicals, saunas, steam rooms so having a cemented tooth is not ideal for me. What would be your opinion on this?[/QUOTE]

Hi Bryanna

Yes thats also what I though and maybe Im going into to it all a bit much however holistic dentistry is surely something people need to know more about as your teeth relate to the body as a whole and I simply cannot believe that any so called trained health expert/dentist would tell anyone to leave a dead part of the body intact and clean the inside out? It is common sense is it not that the body does not like and will not adapt to a dead organ. I also believe if the world population had all there poisons removed from the mouth (put there by dentists) the cancer rates would drop major along with other disease, I dont say that lightly either! A true health practitioner would certainly start looking at the mouth and teeth upon any medical issues a person may have depending of course on there own symptoms. Furthermore the money made from the wrongful acts should be illegal IE mercury as a filling or a root canal treatment.







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Hi Chris,

You think with an open mind from a very broad perspective ... :)
Sometimes this can be a bit scary and overwhelming because as you delve into research on one thing.... another door will open to a million other things! However, IMO the more you learn the clearer and more obvious the picture becomes and the better informed we become about ourselves!

I've personally witnessed unbelievable monstrosities occur within my profession and I am ashamed to say that in spite of the abundance of science based evidence, they are still occurring every day. The use of mercury dental fillings continue to be utilized by many ""pediatric"" dentists and others who NEVER inform their patients of the health risks. Ironically, dentists will often spend lots of money purchasing "mandatory" equipment to filter the vapors and dispose of the remnants of these fillings because they have been told they are highly toxic. However, because dental offices are not regulated by anyone physically overseeing their practices.... some dentists refuse to comply with the mandatory requirements and do not use any filtration system what so ever and they throw the mercury in the regular trash! The staff in these offices is usually unaware of the contamination and treats the mercury as it were your everyday household garbage because their employer has never educated them on the subject.... ie: what you don't know you can't talk about.

I've trained many people in various types of dental offices over the course of 35 yrs and can probably count on one hand how many of the people actually had a clue about the toxicity of mercury. The dental assisting schools do not delve into the subject as extensively as they should... it's just brushed over and the students are told to just comply with the office removal policy .....what ever that may be..... usually the garbage can.

<<<I simply cannot believe that any so called trained health expert/dentist would tell anyone to leave a dead part of the body intact and clean the inside out? >>>

I totally understand that statement! It is never medically acceptable to retain a dead body part any place in the body never mind one that is surrounded by blood vessels and one that is so close to the brain! The eventual, inevitable consequence will be necrosis, ischemia and possibly gangrene. The irony of "cleaning out" a tooth that has countless inaccessible canals filled with nerve tissue is preposterous! Yet people are misinformed... not informed at all.... and just basically sold on this "concept" every single day... some are sold on it again and again.

<<<A true health practitioner would certainly start looking at the mouth and teeth upon any medical issues a person may have depending of course on there own symptoms. >>>

If I had a dime for every time I was told NO by the patient when I asked them if their physician or oncologist or orthopedic surgeon inquired about their dental health.......I would be millionaire!! I have personally contacted patients physicians to educate them about their patients dental health more times than I care to admit. An oral infection, periodontal disease, root canaled teeth, tooth decay.... can severely or permanently alter the outcome of impending heart surgery, joint replacements, kidney dialysis, etc.... chemo or radiation treatment for cancer. Yet, who here can say that their physician(s) have ever asked about their dental health? I hope some speak up and tell us whether they have or not been asked... I would hope we would have more who say they were...but I doubt it.

You know you don't have to think holistically to understand that dead teeth cannot be healthy. As you said and I agree... it's basically common sense. But people are coerced into thinking otherwise simply out of fear, pain and lack of information.

Thanks for looking at the whole picture and not just the "tooth" ..... and try not to feel too disheartened .... just keep your research going and become as informed as you can.

Bryanna





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Hi Bryanna

You think like myself though you obviously have more training and experience that I have. I find it hard to fathom that these treatments are simply passed as being the norm and what really annoys me is the fact some dentists know these dangers and for greed and money just dont mention the reality and truth of its mega health dangers. So what does one do to try and correct this and put this on a balanced approach, contact the government to advise on this or who? It is not acceptable that treatments that are extremely bad for a persons health are allowed to past, not acceptable! For example here in the UK national health only pay for the basic dental fillings and crowns which are yes you guessed (mercury fillings) and (pfm crowns). makes me very angry this situation.



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Hi Chris,

<<I find it hard to fathom that these treatments are simply passed as being the norm and what really annoys me is the fact some dentists know these dangers and for greed and money just dont mention the reality and truth of its mega health dangers>>

THE CURRICULUM IN DENTAL SCHOOLS HAS GOT TO CHANGE. MORE TIME NEEDS TO BE SPENT ON THE TOXICITIES ASSOCIATED WITH VARIOUS DENTAL MATERIALS AND HOW THEY IMPACT A PATIENTS HEALTH. UNTIL THIS CHANGE OCCURS, DENTISTS WILL CONTINUE TO BE TAUGHT HOW TO BE TOOTH CARPENTERS .... NOT DOCTORS.

>>So what does one do to try and correct this and put this on a balanced approach, contact the government to advise on this or who?>>

I WISH I KNEW WHAT TO DO! I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY GOVERNMENT AGENCY THAT CONSUMERS CAN APPROACH TO DISCUSS THEIR RIGHTS TO BE INFORMED BETTER BY THEIR DENTISTS. THE STATE DENTAL BOARDS CAN SOMETIMES BE A SOUNDING BOARD FOR A CONSUMER COMPLAINT BUT THEY DON'T MAKE IT EASY TO BE HEARD AS THEY OFTEN DEFEND THE DENTIST.

>>> It is not acceptable that treatments that are extremely bad for a persons health are allowed to past, not acceptable! For example here in the UK national health only pay for the basic dental fillings and crowns which are yes you guessed (mercury fillings) and (pfm crowns). makes me very angry this situation.>>

HERE IN THE US THERE ARE MANY DENTAL HEALTH PLANS THAT PAY FOR THOSE SAME THINGS. SOMETIMES THESE PLANS OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE BENEFIT TOWARDS A TOOTH COLORED FILLING OR A GOLD CROWN. DENTAL INSURANCE IN THE US IS GENERALLY VERY LIMITED COVERAGE. THE MISTAKE THAT PEOPLE OFTEN MAKE IS THEY ONLY HAVE DONE WHAT THEIR INSURANCE WILL PAY FOR WHICH MEANS THAT'S ALL THE DENTIST IS GOING TO OFFER THEM.

DENTISTRY IS EXPENSIVE.... AND PEOPLE HAVE BECOME INSURANCE DEPENDENT. THE WHOLE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS A MESS. ADD TO THIS THE HEALTH RISK FACTORS THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING INFORMED ABOUT AND IT PAINTS A PRETTY NEGATIVE PICTURE.

YOU HAVE TO BE YOUR OWN ADVOCATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.... TAKES A LOT OF DIGGING FOR INFORMATION AND SORTING THROUGH THE GARBAGE TO GET TO THE WHERE YOU ARE COMFORTABLE.

Bryanna

Hi Bryanna

I was at the dentist yesterday and she has made impressions for the new crown and partial denture hence she stated that she would remove the dead tooth in two weeks time when she will fit the crown and denture all in one etc however my problem is that this dead tooth is infected and it is affecting my health, energy levels etc and I really need that tooth out I feel before then etc hence I'm not sure why she did not remove the tooth and just get that over with. I will maybe ask if she can get me in earlier or is this the norm, what do you think?

Hi Chris,

It takes about 10-14 days for the dental lab to process the partial denture. So she has to wait for that to be done. Yes, this is the norm when making an immediate partial to replace a front tooth. The reason being is that it is often best to place the partial at the time of the extraction because the appliance works as a band-aid (blanket over the site) and a template for the curvature of the gum line as the site heals. It also gives the person a front tooth to smile with :)

Sometimes the fake tooth on the partial needs to be adjusted to accommodate the gum line especially if a bone graft is placed because you don't want any pressure against that surgical site while the graft is healing. You may need to see her the day after the surgery and a day or two later for adjustments. Sometimes even into the following week or so.

Did she discuss placing a bone graft?

I also understand your concerns about the infection. I would suggest that you rinse daily with warm salt water and as you rinse use a drawing motion with your lips as if to pull from the front of your mouth. This will help to keep the area clean and the salt is very therapeutic... especially if there is any opening between the gum and tooth.

It can only help to feed your immune system. So I would suggest to eat nutritiously, drink plenty of filter water throughout the day, take probiotics, multi vitamins, and extra vitamin C. These may help to make you feel better overall and it will help post operatively.

Hang in there.... it will be okay ;)

Bryanna

Hi Bryanna

You explain that quite perfectly, thank you :) The tooth is still open from the other emergency dentist I saw 2 weeks ago so I will rinse with salt water as best I can. Regarding the bone graft she did not mention but Im sure she knows what shes doing ok, well I hope so! Your a we dentist Genius Bryanna alwasy good to get your view! :wink:

Hi Chris,

Thank you for the kind words :)
Take good care of your self and keep us posted on how things go.
I'm sure you will be fine ;)

Bryanna

Bryanna,

I just recently had tooth 14 extracted on March 4, 2013. It was a 2x root canaled tooth that was done 13 years ago, first one became infected immediately. Well, it was bothering me recently, but only when I ate something sweet or some dried fruit. My holistic dentist recommended I fet it out. I saw an oral surgeon who removed the tooth and the periodontal ligament as well. The only problen now is that I still have throbbing toothaches in one or both of the adjacent teeth and ever sice the pulling, I have a chronic swollen, burning tongue and mouth, thraot feels funny as well, breathing seems a little funny too. My face swelled bad when he administered the carbocaine, so I don't know:( Also, now I'm scared to get the dental implant with all this going on, but I can't just leave this space. I'm wondering if this tooth really needed to be extracted after all. My TMJ is out of control, headaches, neck pain, bite problems...HELPPPP!!!!!!

I suffer from levaquin toxicity(super strong and dangerous antibiotic), due to it being wrongfully given to me in the ER 5 years ago and the tongue/mouth issues were one of the first symptoms I had(along with so many more), but it took 4 years to go away. It came back after this extraction...why????

Hi mommy2,

First let me assure you that it was wise to remove tooth #14 because irrelevant of symptoms, it has been infected for at least 13 years. Re treating it with another root canal did not "cure" the infection. So for your overall healthy, you did the best thing in removing it.

Are either of the adjacent teeth (#13 and 15) root canaled?

It is common for adjacent non root canaled, healthy teeth to become achy, even throb a bit after the removal of an infected tooth because there is a lot of inflammation and something similar to sympathetic pain going on. This type of pain usually subsides in time. If either adjacent tooth is unhealthy, then it would not be unusual for them to hurt because the bacteria residing in the bone from the unhealthy teeth has now been stimulated and the immune system is recognizing there is a problem there.

I am concerned about the swelling, burning tongue/mouth, and odd feeling in your throat. What medications are you taking? What are you using to brush your teeth with? What are you rinsing with??

When you had the reaction to the Levequin... what was your actual diagnosis? Was it medication induced Angioedema by any chance???

Bryanna




<<<<I have a chronic swollen, burning tongue and mouth, thraot feels funny as well, breathing seems a little funny too. My face swelled bad when he administered the carbocaine, so I don't know:( Also, now I'm scared to get the dental implant with all this going on, but I can't just leave this space. I'm wondering if this tooth really needed to be extracted after all. My TMJ is out of control, headaches, neck pain, bite problems...HELPPPP!!!!!!

I suffer from levaquin toxicity(super strong and dangerous antibiotic), due to it being wrongfully given to me in the ER 5 years ago and the tongue/mouth issues were one of the first symptoms I had(along with so many more), but it took 4 years to go away. It came back after this extraction...why????[/QUOTE]

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No, teeth 13 and 15 are not root canaled. Tooth 14 was the only root canal I ever had. Also, the tongue thing happened 8 days after my last IV levequin...of course at first they called it angioedema, but it just went on and on for years, waxing and waning, so then no one knew really what it was...but the levequin made me allergic to everything...foods, supplements, meds, etc....thus, my road to a holistic lifestyle. All organic,gluten free, soy, corn, nut free vegan diet..all natural toothpaste, same one for years. I take no medication at all, which is why I was scared to have the novacaine, and of course my face blew up.I should have just walked out right there! So basically, I am doing/using nothing different than I was before and I was just feeling my very best after all these years, but then the extraction triggered all my bad symptoms. That was the only thing different I have done along with putting the carbocaine in my sensitive allergic body :( Also, what about all these people who have their root canaled teeth removed...have there been long term follow ups to see if their health has really improved?

Thanks, I look foward to hearing from you.

Bryanna,
Have you ever had any root canaled teeth extracted? If so, have you replaced them?

Also, I am going to see an implant specialist who uses all metal free zirconium implants. What do you think about these. Do you think it will hold up well in tooth #14?

Hi mommy2,

Yes, Angioedema, I thought so. This is a very strange condition to have... I know because I have been diagnosed with it myself and it can wax and wane for years. Very difficult to pinpoint the actual "cause" unless it's a one time thing and can be directly linked to a medication or an infection. I think in many cases there are other reasons why this occurs in some people and not so sure the stopping of medications automatically stops the condition. I think it may be more of an auto immune response than anything else and when something trips up the immune system or over loads it in some way... bam an episode occurs. I also think it is triggered by stress...mental, physical and emotional. And it does not necessarily have to be a lot of something like the anesthetic for instance where we end up into a swelling episode. Does that make sense to you??? I am always fishing for clues and ideas about this condition because there doesn't seem to be much help out there for it! Any thoughts you have about this or want to share.... please do!

I commend you on taking a holistic approach to this. I have done the same thing and in some very drastic ways. I also made some changes in my home and work environment as well to minimize being exposed to certain things that tax the immune system. I find all of this to have been helpful.

Regarding the patients who have had their root canaled teeth removed...
Yes, most definitely patients who have had all of their root canaled teeth removed report that they notice a positive change in their overall health. Many also report that their general blood work shows improvement also. Many of these patients I have known for years, so yes, I would say the positive effects are long term.

Bryanna




No, teeth 13 and 15 are not root canaled. Tooth 14 was the only root canal I ever had. Also, the tongue thing happened 8 days after my last IV levequin...of course at first they called it angioedema, but it just went on and on for years, waxing and waning, so then no one knew really what it was...but the levequin made me allergic to everything...foods, supplements, meds, etc....thus, my road to a holistic lifestyle. All organic,gluten free, soy, corn, nut free vegan diet..all natural toothpaste, same one for years. I take no medication at all, which is why I was scared to have the novacaine, and of course my face blew up.I should have just walked out right there! So basically, I am doing/using nothing different than I was before and I was just feeling my very best after all these years, but then the extraction triggered all my bad symptoms. That was the only thing different I have done along with putting the carbocaine in my sensitive allergic body :( Also, what about all these people who have their root canaled teeth removed...have there been long term follow ups to see if their health has really improved?

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Mommy2,

I have never had a root canal done on any tooth. It never made sense to me to keep a dead tooth in my head! My long career in dentistry has confirmed to me that it is definitely not healthy to retain a root canaled tooth. So I am grateful that I never had one. I have had all of my 2nd molars removed to allow my 3rd molars to come in..... and my upper right first molar. I have not replaced the upper molar and that was removed 37 years ago. The way my teeth bite together my lower teeth all have something to bite against, so I never missed that first molar.

Bryanna

Mommy2,

I think it is important to first be checked to see if you are sensitive to titanium or zirconium before you undergo the dental implant. Both materials have advantages and disadvantages depending on the individual case.

I would also be cautious about doing the implant if it were me regarding the angioedema issue. You just never know what is going to trip that off. What are your thought about that?

Bryanna

What are your symptoms of angioedema? When were you diagnosed and does it still affect you? My doctors don't know for sure if it even is angioedema because it does not present like it typically. It's more constant with burning and tongue irritation, not episodes. Clearly having my tooth pulled did not improve my health. I'm worse than I was before. I should have just let well enough alone! I had a feeling this might happen to me if I had it pulled. I had this little voice inside me the morning of my appt.telling me to cancel it...I should have listened!!! I only had it pulled because the oral surgeon said i had good bone for an implant..now what will i do to fill this enormous space left in my mouth? It feels like my face is collapsing without anything in it's place. If this tongue/mouth thing is constant, how much more harm will an implant do? How much longer should I wait,reguarding bone shrinkage? How should I get tested for the materials(titanium/zirconium). Ugh, sorry for my ranting....Also, what is your job in the dental field? Thanks and I look foward to hearing from you.