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debbiehub 05-30-2013 09:38 PM

Muscle wasting,,scared
 
As I have written before I am having full body muscle wasting,,,lost 10 lbs in the last few months and getting weaker each day. Losing my ability to get up,,I think this is being caused by my small fiber neuropathy ,,,, any thought on putting on muscle mass? I do water exs about 3-4 xs a week, I'm so scared of withering away!:(:(

Deb

catra121 05-31-2013 07:13 AM

I'm so sorry Deb! I don't have any advice unfortunately since it's not a problem I have had yet...but I hope some people chime in with some experience on this. What does your doctor say about this?

Very scary. Take care of yourself.

tos8 05-31-2013 01:42 PM

I am so sorry Deb! I have muscle wasting in my RSD areas, but not the whole body. Have your drs looked into other conditions other then RSD?

Djhasty 05-31-2013 09:05 PM

Debbie,
I too have muscle wasting in my CRPS left leg. I also have bone demineralization. Mine is from having CRPS for years before it was diagnosed. Without treatment, I got into the habit of not using my leg because of the pain. I have Dystonia and spasticity. Literally, the muscle spasims caused permanent contracture. The CRPS has now spread to my pelvis on down both legs. I do not have full body CRPS ... yet. I am sorry to hear that yours has spread that far.

I dont have the answer. You do need to contact your doctor and physical therapist. If CRPS is caught early, physical therapy can help. Regardless, it is important that you keep trying to use your muscles. Personally I opt for aquatic therapy too because it allows you to use your muscles without over stressing them. I can walk in the pool; outside of the pool I usually use a wheelchair. The only other thing I can think of is perhaps you need to add more protein to your diet. Of course, I am pulling at strings here.

I hope you find the answer and quickly. Please take care of yourself.

fbodgrl 05-31-2013 09:59 PM

I have muscle wasting, but only on my RSD limb. It is getting more noticeable. I'm sorry this is happening to you. Hopefully your doctor will have some answers.

debbiehub 06-01-2013 03:43 PM

Ty
 
Thanks for your responses,,,the thing is no doc has. Been able to figure out why this is happening, I have had every tx and blood test imaginable.. Iif no one can get to the bottom of this I am doomed!..I have an appointment w dr chopra the end of July,,,


Thanks,
Debbie

fbodgrl 06-01-2013 05:22 PM

:(

It would seem like it would be awfully fast for the RSD to be wasting at that rate. Maybe I'm wrong. I know for my limb that is wasting it seems to be a slower process. Originally it seemed only to be in the hand and lower arm. I am now noticing it in the upper arm, but more like the hanging skin.

I really hope they figure it out!

catra121 06-01-2013 06:02 PM

I'm sorry that the docs haven't been able to figure out the cause...but do they have any suggestions as far as what to do for it? I mean...I get that if it's caused by some underlying thing then you need to get treatment for that...but the fact of the matter is that it IS happening and what should you be doing NOW to fix it or at least slow down the process. If it is caused by the RSD (a definite possibility) then there's no cure for that and the question still remains the same: what do you do about the muscle wasting?

Have you spoken to a physical therapist or even a personal trainer about what would be some good options for putting on muscle mass? If a doctor can't help you then maybe a consultation with someone in those fields could at least give you some options. I recently started working with a personal trainer to get some exercises tailored to my specific needs and limitations to help me regain some strength. The woman I am working with has experience working with people who have disabilities so she's really good at working with me around my needs. The key being that these exercises are all tailored to my specific goals of developing more muscle and strength...as opposed to me doing things on my own which may or may not be helping me actually achieve what I want. Does that make sense? Not sure if it would help in your situation or not but it might be worth checking in to. Many personal trainers will do free consultations where you could just go talk with them and see if they might be able to help or not. If not...then nothing lost except some time.

desertdeb720 02-07-2015 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by debbiehub (Post 988099)
As I have written before I am having full body muscle wasting,,,lost 10 lbs in the last few months and getting weaker each day. Losing my ability to get up,,I think this is being caused by my small fiber neuropathy ,,,, any thought on putting on muscle mass? I do water exs about 3-4 xs a week, I'm so scared of withering away!:(:(

Deb

Hi Debbie, my name is also Debbie and I too am experiencing muscle wasting along with the neuropathy. I used to weigh 130lbs and since September 2014 I am at 88 lbs. Still more docs to see, but so far I have been tested for just about everything and nothing has turned up. I even lost the muscles that help me to sneeze and cough, which is very scary. I too am wondering how to put on some weight and muscle, but nothing seems to work. I see a GI doctor in a couple of weeks, maybe he will have something new to say. Please keep in touch with any new news, and I will do the same. Good luck to you and God bless. You are not alone.

Littlepaw 02-07-2015 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by desertdeb720 (Post 1122779)
Hi Debbie, my name is also Debbie and I too am experiencing muscle wasting along with the neuropathy. I used to weigh 130lbs and since September 2014 I am at 88 lbs. Still more docs to see, but so far I have been tested for just about everything and nothing has turned up. I even lost the muscles that help me to sneeze and cough, which is very scary. I too am wondering how to put on some weight and muscle, but nothing seems to work. I see a GI doctor in a couple of weeks, maybe he will have something new to say. Please keep in touch with any new news, and I will do the same. Good luck to you and God bless. You are not alone.

Hi Debbie,

I read an interesting case some time ago of a woman with weight loss, weakness and nerve symptoms who was an undiagnosed celiac. Got better with diet change and steroids to address leaky gut. Doctors had had her push carbs trying to gain weight lots of pasta, etc. Obviously backfired.
I have contended with muscle and weight loss over 1.5 years of surgery land and non-weight bearing. It has taken a boatload of work and lots of Muscle Milk to improve. My foot and calf were especially bad and I was at one point using a TENS unit ala Bruce Lee to fire the muscles. I think it actually helped, a little unpleasant but if tolerable it seemed for me to help my nerves and muscles remember to say hello to each other. Getting in the water is great but Gravity is your friend for muscle mass. I had to start really low and for months felt like I was getting nowhere, but eventually gained mass. If all you can do on a stationary bike is two to five minutes then do that. If all the weight you can budge with your calf is it's own weight while sitting, then do that too. Don't give up, the work is at least slowing loss. I find a flexible tape measure helpful, Gains and losses are more tangible. Got 3/4 of an inch to go on the calf still to match the other leg if I can. Hang in there and I hope your doctors figure this out soon!
I am Sending Healing Love, Littlepaw. :hug:

Enna70 02-08-2015 06:33 PM

This has been a fear of mine and to hear it first hand I have the greatest sympathy for you....sorry I don't have any answers to give you right now....I was told by my neurologist that CRPS does not cause atrophy....but the medical field doesn't understand CRPS...please keep us posted....:grouphug:

LIT LOVE 02-08-2015 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Enna70 (Post 1122941)
This has been a fear of mine and to hear it first hand I have the greatest sympathy for you....sorry I don't have any answers to give you right now....I was told by my neurologist that CRPS does not cause atrophy....but the medical field doesn't understand CRPS...please keep us posted....:grouphug:

"Making the Diagnosis of RSD / CRPS

The diagnosis of RSD / CRPS can be made in the following context. A history of trauma to the affected area associated with pain that is disproportionate to the inciting event plus evidence at some time for one or more of the following: •Abnormal function of the sympathetic nervous system, e.g., abnormal changes in skin blood flow, sweating or goose flesh.
•Swelling.
•Movement disorder.
•Changes in tissue growth (dystrophy and atrophy)."

http://www.rsdfoundation.org/en/en_c...uidelines.html

Although staging is no longer done (same link):

"STAGE III

1.Marked wasting of tissue (atrophic) eventually become irreversible.


2.For many patients the pain becomes intractable and may involve the entire limb.


3.A small percentage of patients have developed generalized RSD affecting the entire body. "

I'd question how experienced your neurologist with RSD/CRPS patients.

I don't remember Deb posting in a long time. Hopefully she'll pop back in.

Dubious 02-09-2015 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by debbiehub (Post 988099)
As I have written before I am having full body muscle wasting,,,lost 10 lbs in the last few months and getting weaker each day. Losing my ability to get up,,I think this is being caused by my small fiber neuropathy ,,,, any thought on putting on muscle mass? I do water exs about 3-4 xs a week, I'm so scared of withering away!:(:(

Deb

Hi Deb,

Sorry to hear of your plight. After ruling out other ominous causes for unexplained weight loss and assuming it is truly related to RSD, I have read that for other muscle wasting illnesses, some docs will use testosterone supplementation slow or reverse the process. Worth asking about I suppose?

when2be 02-20-2015 03:42 PM

muscle mass
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by debbiehub (Post 988099)
As I have written before I am having full body muscle wasting,,,lost 10 lbs in the last few months and getting weaker each day. Losing my ability to get up,,I think this is being caused by my small fiber neuropathy ,,,, any thought on putting on muscle mass? I do water exs about 3-4 xs a week, I'm so scared of withering away!:(:(

Deb

I also had this. I went to a doctor overseas who did extensive testing. I know take things that put in muscle mass although I still have to take things that decrease inflammation. with inflammation a person will lose muscle mass no matter what. I take paleo diet ( makes big difference) testosterone, thyroid, DHEA, low dose cortisol, bio identical hormones. Theramine has helped to decrease the inflammation and pain and I was getting bleeding with any use of right fingers from CRPS. The theramine decreases inflammation. Also had stool testing and take pro biotics. I had not realizes what a difference it makes what bacteria we have in our gut. Had lost 20 pounds and now put it all back on. Good luck.


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