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Brian 05-13-2007 12:03 AM

Electical stimulation helps nerve regrowth
 
I found this research on my travels so i thought it may be of interest to some.
http://www.physiology.emory.edu/FIRS...atier_2006.pdf

Brian :)

stagger 05-13-2007 10:45 AM

Brian,
Went to the VA clinic yesterday and among the conversation with the doctor was the ReBuilder. Was advised to keep using it, also there was a doctor (Dr. Robert Becker) a few years back who incorporated a fine silver mesh to amputees and generated a low DC voltage across it, the result being less infections and faster healing time.

Brian 05-13-2007 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanny42 (Post 98964)
Brian,
Went to the VA clinic yesterday and among the conversation with the doctor was the ReBuilder. Was advised to keep using it, also there was a doctor (Dr. Robert Becker) a few years back who incorporated a fine silver mesh to amputees and generated a low DC voltage across it, the result being less infections and faster healing time.

Lanny42, Thats very interesting, especially for those that are using or thinking about using the rebuilder or some other electrical stimulation device for pain relief.
thanks for sharing the info,
Brian :)

calrec 03-26-2010 06:15 AM

Electrode/pad positons on feet?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanny42 (Post 98964)
Brian,
Went to the VA clinic yesterday and among the conversation with the doctor was the ReBuilder. Was advised to keep using it, also there was a doctor (Dr. Robert Becker) a few years back who incorporated a fine silver mesh to amputees and generated a low DC voltage across it, the result being less infections and faster healing time.

Where does the doctor place the electrodes I.E. pads on you?
[I've got a Quadstar II which does 'IFC']

Thanks, Calrec

mrsD 03-26-2010 09:40 AM

This link has a diagram:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...YkLvVmrepB6ckQ

When I open the PDF it does not give me an address. Some PDFs don't anymore.

So I hope the Google link is enough.
To get to this link yourself, just Google "placement TENs electrodes" and it is the first selection after the 3 ads at the top.

There are several other hits using that search keyword cluster too. So look around.

Jomar 03-26-2010 12:03 PM

Here's a few more links with placement & info-
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/sh...431#post244431

Rrae 03-27-2010 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian (Post 99133)
Lanny42, Thats very interesting, especially for those that are using or thinking about using the rebuilder or some other electrical stimulation device for pain relief.
thanks for sharing the info,
Brian :)

I wonder if this would pertain to SCS (spinal cord stimulators)?
That would sure be encouraging :)

mrsD 03-27-2010 04:08 PM

I don't know about SCS... Those are implanted in the CNS...and regeneration in the spinal cord is not really possible yet.
CNS is spinal cord and brain.

The peripheral regeneration has been known for along time.
Peripheral nerves are all outside the CNS.

jurgen975 03-27-2010 05:26 PM

I found a article about electro stimulation in the journal of neuroscience april 2000.

Rrae 03-27-2010 06:30 PM

Thanks for this
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsD (Post 637466)
I don't know about SCS... Those are implanted in the CNS...and regeneration in the spinal cord is not really possible yet.
CNS is spinal cord and brain.

The peripheral regeneration has been known for along time.
Peripheral nerves are all outside the CNS.

See, this is what confuses me....In Spinal Cord Stimulation, the electrodes are implanted near the spinal cord.....but like in my situation, it isn't the spinal cord regeneration that I would expect....the electrodes in the spinal cord send the electrical current (in my case) into the lower extremities (where the actual PN is, that's where the nerves are damaged)

So, even tho the electrodes ARE in the dorsal column, they actually send the impulses out to the nerves that the Lumbar control or (house), thus the electrical stimulation is felt in the actual nerves that have PN and instead of the burning PN pain, the Stim sends the electrical current as a tingling sensation to cover over the burning PN pain.

:o I think I'm making this more confusing than what it is.

So, if (as in my case) diagnosed with small fiber neuropathy,
in the legs....and if the stimulation is covering that area, my hope (or pipe dream :p) is that this would fall in the category of what this thread is implying....... :Dunno:

mrsD 03-27-2010 06:59 PM

I suppose it is possible, but I thought the SCS was predominately blocking the damaged signals from the periphery.

Another example is the use of menthol on the skin for those with burning pain. Menthol stimulates cold receptors, which have priority in traveling to the spine. Hence the burning pain from the heat sensors which are misfiring is not felt.
I think the SCS are more like this, than actual stimulants of peripheral regeneration.

Regeneration needs nutrient support to be optimally effective.

Rrae 03-27-2010 07:09 PM

Yep, that's true
 
And i must say, after learning about the nutrient support here, and following it religiously, I HAVE noticed quite a positive outcome.......the pain became much easier to control.

The hard part is actually accepting how long it really can take to regenerate.....but that IS the hope to hang on to.....
Rather than rushing into all these 'off-label' pharmaceuticals which end up causing so many bad side effects.....

I guess we all need reminded from time to time that it IS indeed a long process..........:o

Thank you MrsD!
:hug:

dahlek 03-27-2010 08:03 PM

Brian? THAT is a KEEPER!
 
How do we get it into the stickies? Makes perfect sense to me. - j

Brian 03-27-2010 10:01 PM

Yep, I can't see why not.

mrsD 03-28-2010 09:18 AM

Just go into the Useful websites and put the link there with all the rest.

A little description of the site (small paragraph) will encourage people to read the full link.

Anyone can add links to the Useful Websites thread there! ;)


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