Gluten in Meat?
 

I know this sounds strange, but my ds age 5 is not really able to tell me how he feels exactly and he is not eating much meat at all lately.
He's probably the healthiest kid in our County! He will gladly eat veggies including broccoli, cucumbers, carrots, lettuces of all varieties, etc and fruits particularly berries black, red, blue, those are by far his favorites.

With animals in the food chain eating grains and "feeds" made with grains, what is the likelihood that my ds is reacting to gluten in meat?

We get our Raw dairy from a farm that does feed a "feed mix" to their cows when milking them which is 2X per day. I wonder if that has any gluten in it. I'm convienced my breastmilk does, so why not a cow? (other than the more than 1 stomach thing)

We get our steak from farmers we know, the next round is not someone we know, it might not be the same.

I buy chicken from the grocery store and he is refusing to eat it most of the time. This is a pretty good indication to me that something is wrong with it now or in the past few weeks.

Any thoughts? Articles? Personal experiences?

Greetings Electra,

I, for one, believe that the grain, which currently consists of a wheat/soy blend, transfers through the meat to us. I consume a substantial amt of red meat and was having a terrible time with it since becoming GF. I began speaking with friends who are organic farmers and asked if they thought the grain could come through the meat. They said definitely- that this is their conviction for organic feed.

A few of weeks ago I went to a couple of the bigger health food markets in our area (Whole Foods and Wild Oats) and asked if they carried "grass fed" beef and lamb. They told me some interesting things.

The feeds have been changed in the past 3 or 4 years to a wheat/soy blend due to the production of ethenol. The animals are fed a grain mix 8 weeks prior to slaughter. Gluten stays in our sytem for 2-4 weeks. I don't know if it is the same for livestock. But I can tell you this- I have ben eating grass fed beef and lamb for 3 weeks now and what a difference it has made for me. Whole Foods in Maine does not carry grass fed meats, but Wild Oats does. I don't know where you are but I would say check with your individual stores and see if you can find grass fed. Or if you have a local farm you are dealing with and can purchase a side of beef or an entire cow, ask them not to feed it grains.

Turkey, chicken and all farm raised fish, unless labeled "grass fed", are also fed a wheat/soy blend feed. If pesticides, hormones and chemicals/metals can pass through to us, I am convinced gluten can too.

Leslie

The more I think of it the more it makes sense.

We said, years ago, that gluten gets through breastmilk. Science said, 'nope'. But now they are saying that it does.

So, why wouldn't it get through into other animal dairy?

Also, the meat from animals fed grain is leans toward being acid. Grass fed animals lean toward being alkali. So, it could even just be an acid overload thing as well, or instead of.

I'm lucky, I found a grass feeding farmer who doesn't feed wheat, soy or corn. It does seem to have made a difference but the jury is still out because our chicken is mostly grainfed and so I don't feel our results are very clear.

Edit: just to add that my lady does not 'finish' her animals with grain. There are farmers that feed grass all the way through. You have to really look for them though. It's worth the drive, once a month, to the country to pick up your meat at the gate. Plus you get to actually talk to the farmer and see where there head is at... and how they treat their animals.

I don't know the answer, but I think it is worth thinking about. I know science will likely tell us NO, but science frequently changes :).

As for kids not liking meat, neither of my girls have been particualry fond of meat.... unless very tender or ground.

Cara

We do get our beef from local farmers. I didn't talk to the most recent order and I almost don't want to know. I'll do the calling next time.
My ds will eat steak, he likes it now. But he's turning from chicken which I buy at the store.
I hate to think what I need to do to our budget to buy free range poultry at the grocery store!
I guess it's time for less meat and more veggies! My dh is the only one who verbally minds not having meat with a dinner meal.

Veeeery interesting concept. Gluten in meat. Whoda thunk it! But it does kind of make sense. Not that I WANT it too, you understand. I'm a big beef eater. But Electra's comment may be the way to go:
Of course, there's always fish. Of course, down here in TN there's a lot of pond raised catfish. You don't suppose they feed the fish gluten, do you? If so, I'll have to stick with store bought, ocean caught fish. :D

In this newsletter from Clan Thompson, Dr. Guandanlini is asked the question about gluten getting into meat. He says the amount of intact gluten is "infinitesimally small". I would like to see where he got this information.
Scroll down to #5 Ask the Doctor http://www.ymlp.com/pubarchive_show_...?celiacnews+58
Anne

As a matter of fact, they do feed farmed fish wheat.

Weird. I know. Only humans would try to stuff everything with grain.:rolleyes:

It's a wicked conspiracy I tell you! LOL:D
Gluten Free Living Article all about going Whole Grain and how important it is even for Celiacs...:p
I mentioned it over on BT.

Two thoughts, take'em or leave'em. According to the "Eat Right 4 Your Type," blood types B and AB are supposed to avoid chicken. (I'm not sure about your son's blood type.) The other thought is that a friend told me chickens are dusted with cornstarch so they don't stick to the packaging (I'm not sure if this is only for whole chickens or not???), and I don't know if you're also avoiding corn?

In our case, when we gave up gluten, Tom began eating meat again (which I consider a good thing). He also increased the variety of vegies that he'd eat (also a good thing).

We try to eat pasture raised beef products as much as possible. We order from a local farm. Pasture raised animals are typically leaner and they have a better balance of EFAs then the grain fed stuff you buy at the supermarket.
It is a healthier choice, by far.

You can find sources for Pasture Raised meats that are close to you by checking out www.eatwild.com
I love our farm. If you're in Iowa, I can send you the link to that one!
Our guy also delivers fish from Alaska (he has a business partner there, and they do their own fishing and stocking.) Since this has been going well, he is also going to add chickens, so I will be set!

The Gardenofeatindiet.com book discusses in detail why it's better to eat pasture raised meats.

Here's an article on grass fed beef and its comparison to grainfed.

http://www.caldwellfarms.com/beef.shtml

Leslie

Greetings All,

I just did a little research and found a link called Eat Wild. This is grass fed livestock, usualy organic and ranged.

The home page is: www.eatwild.com

You can access farms in your own state by going to www.eatwild/products/ (your state).html

So for me this looks like www.eatwild/products/maine.html. If you live in Virginia it looks like www.eatwild/products/virginia.html, etc.

There will be a listing for each farm in your state with contact information.

Leslie

I am positive what the animal eats does get through into milk and also meat

a long time goat keeper in the UK recently told me how even what the goat breathes in gets into the milk .........after putting creasote on her fence posts she got a nasty surprise when her goats milk tasted of creosote and was unusable for about 2 months !!!

I was fine with goats milk when feeding our goats only cert organic feed and no wheat but last years severe drought has meant that the goats now have a small amount of pellets containing wheat and some non organic oats ........ I have continual sinus trouble ...........which could be caused by either or both :( just dont know what else to eat as everything I eat must be Organic and being a type 1 diabetic I must have carbs

I would love to feed my goats all on pasture but we just dont have enough land to grow it ........ we have started planting fodder trees hoping to eventually replace some grain with them

also investigating how to feed our chickens a grain free diet ....... ( hoping Kim reads this a can give m some tips please :)

koz
western australia

How many chickens Koz?

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/sh...hlight=chicken

See post #6. I just got back from the grocery store and bought several big frozen fish (heads and all). All the animals get this at least once a week.

Okay...I'm obsessed. Its my pet topic, I admit :D but...how is he with corn derivatives?

Fresh meat is often dusted with cornstarch for packaging purposes, treated with citric acid for preservation purposes, or otherwise inundated with corn. (Is it lactic acid? I can't keep it all straight, but I don't know anyone who can, Corn is the real conspiracy...)

Or maybe meat itself is a problem for him. There are several in my family line that simply couldn't/can't do beef. My nutritionist said that meat products are the worst for gut issues. (I believe her exact words were that I needed to give up or drastically reduce meat consumption. She was crushed to hear I'd been vegetarian most of my life.)

thanks Kim

we have 6 chickens currently need some more because some are getting quite old and dont lay - but we will still keep our old girls and our 5 yo rooster

I had read that post which was why I knew you fed your chickens "alternative "feed :D but I am a bit confused as to what else you feed them other than fish ?

ours free range all day and get bugs and grass and goat poo :eek: but they like their grain and expect it each evening .....they dont seem to like fish -hubby gives them the fish gizzards when he goes fishing but they leave them

sorry if I have hijacked the thread

koz