Root can/Sinus issues
 

Hi

Roughly 10 months ago after a routine check up I had my upper left wisdom tooth removed as it was in sideways & apparently causing my sinus some grief, it was quite a process. Once that was removed the dentist said the tooth next to it was badly decayed & was most likely the cause of the sinus issue. A root canal procedure was performed (I felt half of one of the procedures until more anaesthetic given).
In the few months after that I felt funny just above the area & under my eye, being winter & indoors would struggle with the left eye weeping etc & only upon fresh air would feel better.
Into spring & I was getting allergies which I had never got before & tired & miserable, post nasal drip, headaches etc. Then around xmas I got tonsillitis & once that cleared up bronchitis, & recently due to the headaches & pnd went back to the dr & he thought I had sinusitis so put me on more antibiotics for 8 weeks.

Recently I have had the pnd & every now & then sore throat & diarrhea. Then one day last week my upper left gum was swollen & one of the teeth there felt like it had it's own heart beat, it occurred to me re the wisdom tooth & root canal & it made sense that something there could be the cause to all my problems as it's the same area as a lot of the issues.

I went back to the same dentist & after he inspected & tapped on the upper teeth, the only one which was tender was the one which had the root canal done, he did one of the x rays that goes around your head.

He said that he was confused as the root canal looked fine but on the tooth next to it was a sinus infection above it & that he needed to consult with his senior colleague in what to do. He booked me in for next week & said most likely would need to do a root canal on the tooth next to the one which had the rc done.

I am worried as since I had the last rc done I have been not well & on antibiotics for sinus/upper respiratory problems, I have since read on the net that having the tooth extracted is the way to go as rc's can cause these sort of problems.

Sorry about the long post & any suggestions would be appreciated

Regards

Hi Chalky,

I am in the dental field and can offer you some information here.

The sequence and description of your physical ailments are indicative of a chronic infection that is coming from a source that oral antibiotics and root canal therapy are not able to eradicate. This type of infection is commonly associated with an infected tooth in which the infection has spread beyond the tooth. Taking medication may temporarily subside the symptoms but they never really go away because the source of the infection keeps the infectious bacteria alive. The source of the bacteria is the tooth.

Root canal procedures are done in an attempt to allow a person to retain an unhealthy tooth for an uncertain amount of time. The procedure is not capable of curing the infection because there is no access to remove infected nerve tissue from the hundreds of microscopic canals. The only area of the tooth that is worked on is the interior of the large visible canals and even those cannot be scraped clean of all nerve tissue. What this means is that the rc tooth remains infected and because the bacteria spreads beyond the tooth, other areas like the bone and sinus become infected also. Sometimes there are little to no symptoms with the initial spread of bacteria while other times there can be one or more ongoing symptoms which may feel like it is in the tooth or elsewhere.

The panoramic xray that was taken shows the upper and lower jaws in their entirety. It is diagnostic for many reasons however it does not take the place of the single dental xrays which show a much closer look at the exact area. Also, in spite of the fact that there is without contention an intricate connection between the health of our teeth and our sinus, some dentists do not make that connection and they will just keep recommending root canal after root canal from one tooth to the next. Taking that approach does not cure the problem, it adds more burden to it.

The only chance of eradicating the infection is to have the source of the infection removed which is the root canaled tooth. In your case because your infection is long standing.... meaning it has been present for a long time as that tooth was decaying ... there is a chance that the adjacent tooth is infected as well. To root canal the adjacent tooth does not favorably alter the status of the current root canaled tooth or the sinus infection because the procedure cannot cure the infection it can just add to the existing problem.

You may also be having intestinal upset from the antibiotics which have depleted your intestines of healthy bacteria. When this occurs, your immune system becomes weak and unable to deal with the chronic infection associated with your teeth and sinuses. Do you supplement with good bacteria called a probiotic? Do you know what that is or want information about that?

At this stage, you should see an oral surgeon (not a general dentist) for evaluation and recommendation of your upper teeth and sinus on that side. You may also have to consult with an ear, nose and throat physician.

I hope this information is helpful. Please feel free to ask for clarification or more questions.

Bryanna

Hi Bryanna

Wow it's great to hear somebody who knows what they are talking about :) Yes I take a probiotic daily. I forgot to mention I am also a type 1 diabetic. Which I have fairly well under control but doesn't help when your immune system is being challenged.

Hi Chalky,

Thank you for the kind words :)

Good that you take a probiotic everyday! It is helpful and beneficial if you occasionally change the probiotic that you are taking to one that offers a different variety of bacteria and/or is more potent than the one you have been taking. If you frequently have diarrhea or are prone to having that occur when you take an antibiotic, then you may need to change the probiotic. Also, anytime you have taken more than one course or taken different antibiotics in a short period of time, your probiotic needs will be different. A bacteria that helps a probiotic to be more effective in people who are lacking in beneficial bacteria due to illness, intestinal disorders or medication is called Saccharomyces Boulardii. Here is some info on that in case you are not familiar with it. FYI.. this supplement can be expensive but it is important to use one of good quality.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296087/

As I'm sure you already know, your diabetes is a significant factor in your oral health as you know infections can be quite troublesome for you. The systemic health risks correlated with retaining an infected tooth along with the chronic sinus infection are increased in someone with diabetes.

Many dentists will repetitively prescribe antibiotics for infected non vital teeth because they do not consider root canaled teeth to be a health burden until the bacteria from the tooth has proliferated way beyond the tooth. Even when that occurs, dentists may continue to prescribe meds and re-treatments to no avail. For most people, especially someone with an auto immune disease, the idea of taking numerous prescriptions and/or undergoing re treatment procedures during this waiting period for the infection to become more severe could be irreversibly detrimental. So I urge you to consider your dental and sinus situation very seriously and learn as much as you can about the health risks of retaining unhealthy teeth.

Bryanna

Hi Bryanna

Once again I'm not feeling to flash, have been on antibiotics since Tues, mild fever & bit of sore throat. I called & booked into a oral surgeon but that's not until April 30. My dentist called me & the owner who is not a oral surgeon but is highly qualified & does oral surgery ,wants me to come in next week,(he is away until then) He wants to look at me to clarify the situation & go from there, he said he s looked at my x ray.

Should I tell him I want the root canal tooth removed or just wait to see what he says & ask if he thinks it's best for the oral surgeon ?

Also could you shed some light on why the dentist thought my root canal looked good yet it hurt when he tapped it & put a cleaning tool in it ?

Regards Mark

Hi Chalky,

I would suggest that you only see an oral surgeon for the evaluation of the sinus and extraction of that molar. Not a general dentist and not someone affiliated with the dentist who removed that wisdom tooth. You want an objective opinion and treatment, not one that may be biased in any way.


Regarding your question about the dentist thinking the rc tooth looked "good" in spite of the tenderness when he tapped on it. There is a great deal of emphasis put on dentists during their education to go to great measures to "retain" teeth by doing root canals. The procedures to do that are very lucrative for the dentist and they are the only available option for the patient to temporarily keep their sick tooth. At the same time, dentists are also taught that root canal therapy cannot and does not make an infected tooth healthy again. It is very unfortunate that dental patients are not openly informed by the dentist about that fact prior to giving consent to having the root canal done. Hopefully as more and more people become self educated and better informed about root canals, they will start to question the dentist about the procedure and in time the information will be openly offered without the patient having to ask.

So the basic answer to your question.... a dentist suggests the root canal procedure to retain the tooth and then expects that tooth to have some problems. The dentist is accustomed to seeing the problems creep up in intensity on dental radio-graphs as time goes on and frequently dismisses them until they have become severe enough for him to suggest removal of the tooth. Some dentists will go a bit farther and let the patient determine the fate of their tooth so long as the radio graphic pathology has not become too widespread. One thing to note here.... dental radio-graphs are only a 2 dimensional image therefore depending the angle the film was taken, there could be a more widespread problem that is not being picked up on that x-ray and all dentists are aware of that.

Another note is that the infected nerve tissue that resides inside of the hundreds of tiny canals inside of all root canaled teeth are not visible on regular dental x-rays until the bacteria has caused those canals to become badly decayed or the bacteria has proliferated through those canals into the bone. So until that proliferation happens, a dentist will look at the x-ray and tell the patient... it looks good!

Also the "tool" he used during his evaluation of this tooth did not clean anything as there is no access to the inside of the tooth unless he were to drill into it and remove the root canal filling material. He may have used a scaling or probing instrument to check the pocketing around the circumference of the tooth.

I hope I have been able to explain the information clearly enough for you to understand as it can be a challenge to do that on the internet.

Let me know if you have any further concerns about this.

Bryanna

Thanks heaps Bryanna

Yes it was more of a probing instrument but it was very tender/sensitive when he did. I have made a booking with a oral surgeon. It's April 30 pity I couldn't get in sooner but it's a start

Hi Bryanna

I was able to get in to the oral surgeon yesterday. I took the x ray that the dentist took with me. He seemed to think that everything looked fine with the x ray & my gum etc. He sent me off to get some blood tests & I go back & see him tomorrow. I felt like a hypochondriac but I know something isn't right. I asked on his thoughts re root canals & he said they are fine if done properly. I said what about having a infected tooth in your mouth & he said the infection would be dead. I don't know what to do now especially since I have that tooth that apparently needs one also. I have had nothing but trouble since having the last one done. Could stress be something that mimics all these symptoms ?

Chalky,

I will re post the statement that you state was said by the oral surgeon and respond in bold type.

<<I asked on his thoughts re root canals & he said they are fine if done properly. I said what about having a infected tooth in your mouth & he said the infection would be dead.>>

HA! HA! IF THIS WEREN'T SO DISTURBING, I WOULD THINK IT WAS ALMOST FUNNY!
EVERY PERSON THAT HAS GRADUATED FROM DENTAL SCHOOL HAS BEEN TAUGHT THAT ROOT CANALED TEETH ARE BIOLOGICALLY COMPROMISED AND SHOULD NEVER BE CONSIDERED HEALTHY. THEY WERE NOT TAUGHT HOW TO INFORM THEIR PATIENTS ABOUT ANY OF THAT. IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, MEANING WHEN THE PATIENT WANTS TO KEEP THEIR UNHEALTHY TOOTH, MANY DENTISTS ARE GOING TO CASH IN ON THAT DEAL AND TELL PATIENTS THAT THESE TEETH ARE "FINE". IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE MEANING OF "FINE" AS IN HEALTHY WHICH DOES NOT PERTAIN TO RC TEETH OR "FINE" AS IN "STANDARD" WHICH DOES PERTAIN TO RC TEETH.

ROOT CANALED "TEETH" ARE IN FACT NON VITAL BECAUSE DURING THE PROCEDURE THE BLOOD VESSEL IS CUT SO THERE IS NO MORE NUTRITION OR VITALITY BEING FED TO THAT TOOTH. THE BACTERIA FROM THE INFECTION THAT RESIDES INSIDE OF THE HUNDREDS OF TINY CANALS THAT EVENTUALLY PROLIFERATES BEYOND THE TOOTH IS IN FACT NOT DEAD, IT IS VERY MUCH ALIVE AND THRIVING.

ASK YOURSELF THIS QUESTION.... IF THE INFECTION IN THE RC TOOTH WERE DEAD, THEN HOW DID THE INFECTION SPREAD BEYOND THE TOOTH LIKE IT HAS IN EVERY ONE OF YOUR ROOT CANALED TEETH?

Whatever you decide to do is completely your choice. If you are so inclined to learn more about rc teeth, then I would suggest that you look at the sites I have posted on this forum to become better informed.

I hope you are able to come to a comfortable decision that you feel is best for you.

Bryanna

That's why I asked him & due to being a independent (not the original dentist) he might have been more up front. Where do I go from here ? Not only from yourself but from other things I have read on the net suggest they are bad news, Do I just get someone to remove the root canal & the one next to it ?

Hi Bryanna

Not sure what to do, after seeing the oral surgeon & him basically saying there was nothing he could do & for me to get the other tooth root canal done & if still no improvement go back to him.

Today I went back to the original dentist just to go through things again & he brought up the x rays before I had the wisdom tooth extracted & the root canal done on the tooth next to that, My sinus above it was inflamed above a few teeth, he then showed me the recent x ray & the sinus had cleared above the recently root canaled tooth but was now above the tooth next to it & was also inflamed above the next tooth that had previously had a root canal (I can't remember ever getting another one).

So he basically said that the tooth next to the recently root canal tooth needs work (root canal) & from a dental point of view that's all he can do & hopefully that would fix everything.

He said for me to have a think etc. Bryanna I know you said rc's are no good, I don't know what to do now after the oral surgeon telling me to just get the tooth fixed, I live 3 hours away from a holistic dentist & even if I made the trip do I just ask for not just 1 but 3 tooth extractions now (2 root canaled & 1 requiring 1 ?

I am sick of the gunk running down the back of my throat which 1 assume is from the tooth requiring work.

P.S I actually feel no pain at all from any of my teeth at the moment

Kind regards

Dear Bryanna,

I am grateful to have found this site. Your keen understanding and knowledge is so very helpful to many who are experiencing health problems due to root canals.

For the past 4 days, I have had a fever and what I thought to be cold symptoms i.e., post nasal drip, what sounds like whooping cough, but believe now (after reading here) could be a sinus cough instead, sore throat, tightness in chest. This is the second episode in two months since rc was started, plus there is a hard nodule at the base of #1 tooth that has been there for some time. At one point, long before the rc it became sore and more swollen; now it's not so bad.

I had my first root canal one month ago and although my dentist was somewhat doubtful of performing the root canal, he sent me to his "specialist" who definitely thought it was best to extract the #1 tooth. My dentist decided not take his advice and advised the rc specialist to do the rc anyway. A week or so later, I returned to my dentist for him to "build up the post" on this tooth. My dentist now wants me to see another specialist, an oral surgeon who will advise if I am a candidate for an implant. I am now in a wait mode to "see how this rc will take or not." The dentist has not cemented the permanent adhesive to the bridge, (yes…it's a 4-part bridge), until receiving a consult from his colleague.

My concern Is now three-fold. If extracting this infected tooth is best, what other option is there if I am not a good candidate for an implant -- My dentist mentioned that the roots in my gums are rather short and the bone may not be able to maintain an implant. Secondly, my heath could be deteriorating with having had two bouts of the above "illness" since having this series of dental work done.

I would really appreciate any advice you are able to share with me on this so I am able to make the best choice in this situation. As it stands, this fever is not going away on its own and the lack of sleep due to coughing with post nasal is leading to sleep deprivation. When I saw the tooth chart you provided and saw that the #1 tooth is associated with the heart, it all rang true as I feel tightness around this area. Someone here mentioned that the rc tooth took on a pulse of it's own...that is exactly my experience too. I thought if the tooth is death why is there a pulse??? Must be the infection underneath in the tiny canals as you describe so well.

You're a God-sent and thank you so much for helping those of us who really need it!

Kind regards

Hi Chalky,

I'm so sorry you are feeling so poorly. I think if you were to rethink this whole situation from the onset of removing the wisdom tooth right up to today, you may seen a rather unpleasant pattern has developed.

I had mentioned to you in a previous post that the bacteria and infection from a root canaled tooth can spread beyond that tooth into the sinus and to the adjacent teeth. Keep in mind that the sinus is directly correlated with the throat, the ears, etc. It is also not uncommon for people to start with one root canaled tooth and eventually end up with all of the adjacent teeth root canaled. In spite of what your dentist is telling you about how fine your rc tooth looks, ask yourself, does this seem like perhaps the bacteria is very much alive in spite of all of those root canals and it is just simply becoming more widespread? Could the old root canaled tooth that you just realized you still have in your mouth be a major contributing factor to all of the problems?

The recent xray supposedly is showing that the sinus is now clear above the rc tooth...... perhaps it is the angle that the xray was taken to make it appear that way because from everything you have described, there sure seems to be a strong correlation between your teeth and your sinuses.

The gunk running down the back of your throat is most likely from the infection that is brewing between your infected teeth and your sinuses. Your dental history is showing you that with each root canal you only end up with needing another one and none of them are resolving the problem because root canal therapy cannot cure an infected tooth.

I probably mentioned this before but the probable reason you do not have pain is because the infection is draining down your throat. If the opening to that drain area closes off from inflammation, you will develop pain and swelling. In the meantime, it is traveling through your digestive tract.

Since you are skeptical of your dentists and with good reason given the history of this continued problem, it may behoove you to take a trip to the holistic dentist for at least a consultation. Sometimes you can email the dentist directly and ask his permission to forward all of your xrays to him to see if he can help you and wants to take you on as a patient given all of the problems you are having.

By problems I mean it is still uncertain as to whether or not the wisdom tooth site is healthy given the way it was extracted and not debrided thoroughly. You have an older root canaled tooth, a recent root canaled tooth and now another adjacent tooth is in trouble. The sinus drainage is long standing and not easing up. So before you make an appointment with someone who is 3 hours away, it is best to find out ahead of time if he thinks he can effectively treat you.

The other side is.... if you decide you do trust in your dentist, then go along with what he prescribes. But be prepared to continue on this root canal journey and risk the health consequences of retaining infected teeth while still keeping that chronic sinus drainage. The choice is really up to you as only you can decide what makes the most logical sense to you and what is in your best interest.

Take a peek at this link and then open the book. Just read through the first several pages of the book. It is a book called The Root Canal Coverup and is written by a former endodontist (root canal specialist) Dr George Meinig. The information is eye opening and may help you understand your situation better.

http://www.amazon.com/Root-Canal-Cov...+george+meinig

Bryanna

Thankyou so much Bryanna, you put so much time into evaluating & answering everyone's problems/questions & it's most appreciated. I think I will contact the Holistic dentist 7 see if he wants to have a look at me

Chalky,

You are welcome. I wish I could advise you of what to do, but I can only provide you with information to help you become better informed. Only you can determine what is right for you.

I would suggest that you ask the holistic dentist if he will take a look at your pre and post op xrays before you travel to see him for the consultation. If he says yes, then ask him if he wants YOU to call your dentists and request they be emailed to him or would he prefer to have his receptionist request them. Either way, those xrays belong to you and legally they have to send them to whomever you tell them to.

I am sensing that you are rather down in the dumps. Please know that you will be okay, you just have to take control of the situation the best that you can so that you can get off this dental roller coaster.

We are here for you.... so know that you are not going along this journey by yourself.

Please keep us posted.
Bryanna

Hi Joeybeezz,

Thank you for the kind words and I am grateful that you have found us too!!

First let me ask, are you sure this is tooth #1? Because that is an upper wisdom tooth. Generally the root structure of a wisdom tooth is a bit different than the other teeth. The roots can be foreshortened... the interior of the large canals can be calcified ..... roots can be fused together... and upper wisdom teeth can be in very close proximity if not into the sinus. So generally root canals are not done on wisdom teeth because of the irregular root structure making it difficult if not impossible to gain access to even perform the procedure. I am guessing this is why the specialist even recommended to extract the tooth.

The nodule at the base of #1 is not a good sign. That needs to be diagnosed by the oral surgeon. It would also be wise to ask the oral surgeon if your sinus is involved with this wisdom tooth and/or with the infection. Ask him if the sinus is sitting low and if it would need to be lifted in order to do an implant.

FYI..... If you are contemplating dental implants in that area, please request from the oral surgeon a dental CT scan prior to any implant surgery to determine the health, height, width and depth of the bone and to determine the health and location of the sinus.

I assume that you are missing 2 teeth. Tooth #1 and tooth #4 are the anchor teeth to the 4 unit bridge? Is tooth #4 also root canaled?

Did your dentist explain the down side of root canaling a wisdom tooth? Did he offer you other options to replace the missing teeth before he performed the root canal? How long have those teeth been missing and had either of them been root canaled?

Your replacement options depend on:

1) What teeth are missing, not just in that quadrant but in the rest of your mouth.

2) What is the overall health of your gums and existing teeth?

Look forward to hearing back from you.
Bryanna




QUOTE=Joeybeezz;1140499]Dear Bryanna,

I am grateful to have found this site. Your keen understanding and knowledge is so very helpful to many who are experiencing health problems due to root canals.

For the past 4 days, I have had a fever and what I thought to be cold symptoms i.e., post nasal drip, what sounds like whooping cough, but believe now (after reading here) could be a sinus cough instead, sore throat, tightness in chest. This is the second episode in two months since rc was started, plus there is a hard nodule at the base of #1 tooth that has been there for some time. At one point, long before the rc it became sore and more swollen; now it's not so bad.

I had my first root canal one month ago and although my dentist was somewhat doubtful of performing the root canal, he sent me to his "specialist" who definitely thought it was best to extract the #1 tooth. My dentist decided not take his advice and advised the rc specialist to do the rc anyway. A week or so later, I returned to my dentist for him to "build up the post" on this tooth. My dentist now wants me to see another specialist, an oral surgeon who will advise if I am a candidate for an implant. I am now in a wait mode to "see how this rc will take or not." The dentist has not cemented the permanent adhesive to the bridge, (yes…it's a 4-part bridge), until receiving a consult from his colleague.

My concern Is now three-fold. If extracting this infected tooth is best, what other option is there if I am not a good candidate for an implant -- My dentist mentioned that the roots in my gums are rather short and the bone may not be able to maintain an implant. Secondly, my heath could be deteriorating with having had two bouts of the above "illness" since having this series of dental work done.

I would really appreciate any advice you are able to share with me on this so I am able to make the best choice in this situation. As it stands, this fever is not going away on its own and the lack of sleep due to coughing with post nasal is leading to sleep deprivation. When I saw the tooth chart you provided and saw that the #1 tooth is associated with the heart, it all rang true as I feel tightness around this area. Someone here mentioned that the rc tooth took on a pulse of it's own...that is exactly my experience too. I thought if the tooth is death why is there a pulse??? Must be the infection underneath in the tiny canals as you describe so well.

You're a God-sent and thank you so much for helping those of us who really need it!

Kind regards[/QUOTE]

Bryanna

Just a question, the tooth where I had the root canal done roughly 10 months ago, it's the one right up the top back left hand side, should it be tender to touch still ? When the dentist did the percussion test a few weeks ago it was the only one that hurt on that side & when he probed inside it with a instrument it was real sensitive, he didn't really seem to want to know much about that though, it's also tender to touch by finger. Just wondered if this meant something wasn't right in there or that's normal for a tooth that had a root canal done ?

Kind regards Mark

Chalky,

The root canaled tooth is infected and that is why it hurts to even slight pressure. The pain you felt when he probed down along the gum line next to that tooth can indicate that you have a perio/endo infection. That would mean that the bacteria from the tooth has traveled to the ligament and the sulcus (deep area below the gum line). The dentist should be informing you of this and not dismissing it. The problem is that as long as the tooth is present, the infection will be present. So I'm thinking he is reluctant to suggest that you have that tooth out especially since the rc was just done 10 mths ago.

Have you emailed the holistic dentist yet?

Bryanna

No not as yet, but I definitely will soon. He didn't actually probe along next to the tooth, it was in the tooth like when they clean stuff out, & it was very tender, I don't notice it much when chewing as it's right up the back. If it is infected should that have shown up on that cone scan thing ?

Mark

Hi Bryanna

Just letting you know I went to another dentist & he said that the tooth I had root canaled was badly decayed, he said the root canal looked good but the overall tooth was no good, he is going to remove it next week & hopefully I start feeling a bit better after that. He also said that the tooth next to it didn't need a root canal , just a filling which he will attend to later on. I also need to improve my cleaning habits , flossing etc

Hi Mark,

So the recently root canaled tooth is now suddenly decayed.... is that what this new dentist told you?

Mark, something is just not right here. Each dentist keeps telling you the root canal if fine... the tooth is fine.... and now the root canal is fine but the tooth is decayed and needs to be extracted. Obviously the tooth has been decayed and unhealthy for this whole time. The root canal procedure may have been done textbook and on an xray the procedure itself looks fine. Which only means that there is no evidence of a poorly done root canal. However, decay does not happen overnight and why hasn't anyone other than this new dentist told you that the tooth was decayed??

I am so sorry you are going through this. Hopefully once this tooth is out you will start to feel better. Be sure to ask the dentist if there is any sinus involvement when he removes the tooth. It would also be wise to tell him to be sure to remove the periodontal ligament and any diseased tissue and bone when he removes the tooth to help avoid post operative problems. I know it sounds silly to have to request that but it is never wise to assume that those surgical steps will be taken automatically.

Please check back with us when you are recovering. Try not to worry too much about this and please take good care of yourself.

Bryanna

Please excuse me as I'm not up to date with the proper dental terms etc, I made an appointment with another dentist & just asked if he could go over my teeth & let me know if anything needed doing , I never mentioned any problems etc.

He did the cone beam scan & then put things inside my mouth & took more x rays, it was then he noticed something wasn't right on that tooth I had root canaled, I then went into detail about some problems I had been having & how I thought that tooth could be responsible for them.

He said the root canal area looked okay but other parts of the tooth were badly decayed, & I'm not 100% sure but there is a possibility there might be a little hole under it or words to that effect. He said you wouldn't bother trying to fix it as it's dead anyway & when he said extraction was the only option it didn't take me long to agree.

I have a few things elsewhere that need some work but would worry about that later, if removing the tooth made me feel better all good & if it didn't it would need to come out anyway he said.

Just of note when I 1st went back to the dentist who did the root canal he only did the cone beam scan & not a x ray, he did the percussion test & that tooth was the only tender one but as it looked good on the scan he didn't pay to much attention to it.

I will ask the dentist those thing you said

Kind regards Mark

Mark,

please understand that I think you have described everything very well here! It is the lack of proper diagnosis from the dentists that you have seen before this current one that has been the problem. You have endured unnecessary dental treatment on a tooth that was decayed beyond repair. And you were told by one of them that the next tooth over needed a root canal when it turns out it does not. I just feel very badly for you and hope that you have now found an honest and competent dentist, because you really deserve it.

Please let us know how things go. I'm sure you will be fine.

Bryanna

One last question , is it safe to have the tooth pulled while you have a slight cold/runny nose ?

Regards Mark

Mark,

Generally it is not a good idea to have oral surgery if you have a cold or sinus infection. Do you think it is possible that your cold/sinus drainage could be related to this tooth?

Yes it could be , I guess I should call the dentist & see if he wants me to postpone ?

Mark,

You should call the dentist and say you are having either a cold or sinus problems and think it may be related to that tooth. It is his judgement call to treat you or not. If he says to come in, then ask him to look at the xray first and see if he thinks the sinus could be related to the tooth infection. This will bring more attention to both issues and he may prescribe antibiotics and see you next week or he may not. But yes, inform him first and then again if he does say come in.

Hope that helps........... keep us posted.

Hi Bryanna

I had the root canaled tooth removed a couple of months ago & are feeling better for it.

Just a new question, cause I'm now missing the upper left wisdom tooth & recently had the one next to it removed I feel when i'm biting down i'm reaching for the missing teeth & sometimes I notice I'm clenching, I have been having neck muscle problems & sometimes down into my arm. Should I be looking at replacing that tooth & in so hopefully that should ease the muscle problems ?

Hi Bryanna

After long a long battle I was finally diagnosed with Celiac disease just recently. I have started to feel better now since starting a gluten free diet etc, (still not 100% though). It's interesting as after having the previously root canaled tooth removed (15) that the only root canaled tooth left remaining that I have is tooth number 13, I checked on the tooth meridian chart & low & behold it connects to the intestines & I have been having neck muscle problems on the left side for over 12 months also & notice that could be tied into that tooth as well.

I am starting to think that this rc tooth that I have could be part of the whole problem. I guess the smart thing to do would be to have that tooth removed ?

Regards Mark

Hi Mark

Until Bryanna finds time to get back to you, I'll just jump in here to say that it's been my experience that the neck and even shoulder pain is most likely connected to an oral infection on the same side of the head. So in your case, if you've had this pain (tightness?) going down one particular line down your neck and maybe sometimes even into your shoulder, I believe it is directly related to some (maybe low grade) infection in either your RC tooth or even beyond it, in the bone around it.

I would definitely remove that tooth, but only by a good oral surgeon. The only problem is, how do you know who is good. He should definitely clean out the bone like Bryanna has explained so many times (to get to a healthy bleeding bone). If he doesn't do that, it is possible that the infection will stay regardless that the tooth is gone, only I think it could be even worse because it would be deep in the jaw bone and not only in the roots (tooth).

Hope you can all forgive me to be this blunt and jumping in, but I just wanted to share my experience in situations when I feel I've had the exact symptoms like you just described it. This particular pain can trick many that it is only muscular, but it is always wise to question that if you also have an infected (or RC-ed) tooth on the same side.

Hello & thank you for taking the time to reply ! Yes the rc tooth is on the same side as the problems I have been having in regards to the neck !

I think I will just get it removed & hopefully things will improve ! Would a holistic dentist be suitable to do the extraction ?

Kind regards Mark

Hi Mark,

I first want to mention that Celiac disease is not just about gluten. In case you don't know, celiac is quite possibly linked to what is called Histamine Intolerance. Here is a link of info.....http://theceliacmd.com/2014/03/hista...sing-symptoms/

I cannot tell you whether or not to extract your tooth. I can tell you that ALL root canaled teeth are to some degree systemically problematic. The longer they are retained, the more irritated the immune system becomes.

The problems with your neck muscle can be due to inflammation coming from the tooth itself and/or inflammation and strain stemming from grinding or clenching your teeth. Your thoughts on that?

Bryanna

Hi

Thanks for the info re the Celiac stuff. Who knows it could be from clenching etc re the neck. In a few weeks I am heading to Sydney & I have decided that whilst up there I am going to go to a holistic dentist to have the tooth out. If I gain benefit all good & if no change as least I know I don't have a dead thing living in my mouth

Thanks for your kind feedback once again Bryanna