Dealing with breakthrough pain
 

Several things are a big help for breakthrough pain.

1. Believe it or not, two Alka Seltzers give the pain relief of a good dose of morphine, without the constipation or dopiness. Alka Seltzer is aspirin, citric acid, and heat-treated baking soda. The soda/citric acid mixture dissolves the aspirin, and the treated baking soda causes the dissolved aspirin to enter the blood stream almost as quickly as if injected. The pain relief occurs within minutes and lasts for hours. As a bonus, this way of getting aspirin doesn't cause stomach irritation or bleeding, is good for your heart, and reduces the risk of several types of cancer. The side effect that stops me from using it more often is tinnitus. I always have a good supply on hand, and use it probably once or twice a week.

Follow instructions on the label. It won't stop nerve pain (not that anything short of massive opiate doses does), but it takes the edge off and allows sleep.

2. Lidocaine skin patches deaden an area effectively for about 4 hours. The lidocaine gets deeper than you'd think. I used it for extremely painful muscle cramping in my shoulder caused by a ruptured cervical disk, and it killed the pain even beneath my shoulder blade.

There are lidocaine salves which work similarly. These are by prescription only and not for daily long term use.

3. Pulsed micro-electric stimulation of the area interferes with pain transmission and reduces pain for a time. After twice daily use for a few weeks, it will reduce pain for 24 hrs after each use. After daily use for months, it will reduce pain for several days. Unlike items #1 and 2 above, pulsed micro-electric stimulation promotes nerve and muscle healing and retrains your nervous system to restore normal reaction to nerve ending stimuli.

The latest and greatest is "interferential electrical stimulation". My physical therapist uses it, and it's very effective. I've also had great relief with the similar, but overpriced "ReBuilder". Use the search function of this forum to find out where to buy and how to these units.

4. Opiates don't kill nerve pain except in very high doses. I used big doses of oxycontin for the disk injury. They stopped the shoulder pain which allowed four hours of sleep (the lidocaine patch gave another 4 hours), but had NO effect on my PN pain. A bigger dose of oxycontin or stronger opiate kills all pain.

Opiates are relatively safe, don't cause dopiness if the dose is appropriate for the pain and have minimal serious side effects. The opiate side effect of extreme constipation make them for occasional use only for me. Still, they're handy to have on hand for emergency use.

5. Cold is worth a try. For neuropathic feet, put your feet in an Epsom salt solution of cool water. Add ice cubes to make the water gradually very cold. Since cold shuts down nerves, you should feel no discomfort if the cooling is slow enough.

Keep your feet in the cold water for about 20 minutes. Then, let the feet warm up naturally, i.e. do not apply artificial heat. If this helps you, it should give relief for several hours, and is good for the health of your nerves in the area since fresh blood floods the area when the cold is removed. You can do this as often as you like, up to hourly.

Epsom salts are magnesium sulfate. The magnesium absorbed through the skin helps calm nerves in the area and reduce pain.

6. Supplement with a high quality calcium/magnesium formulation, about 1000 mg. of elemental calcium a day, 500 mg. of magnesium. Magnesium calms the nerves and relaxes the muscles. Good formulas are mixtures of mainly organic, chelated, or acetic salts. You need supplemental vitamin D, about 1000 units, to utilize the calcium and magnesium. Use the search function of this forum for a lot more about magnesium.

7. Marijuana reduces nerve pain dramatically for about 8 hours. Blood levels build over three days of use, so reduce intake on days 2, 3, and thereafter. The side effects are dopiness, inability to safely operate machinery, weight gain from the "munchies", and the risk of zealots putting you in a cage with criminals for long periods of time.

Oh, and forgetting what you were talking about.

Seriously, a cousin of mine got throat cancer from years of daily use (he didn't smoke cigarettes). In spite of what advocates claim, pot is addictive. I had a tough time stopping myself about 35 years ago and have seen addiction in others. Like a sober alcoholic, I don't dare go near it, but it is relatively safe if used judiciously and if you avoid law enforcement.

Your kids can get it for you.

8. Meditation is practice in directing the attention away from where you don't want it to go. After six months of daily guided meditation practice, mediators have a much increased ability to deal with severe pain, as opposed to the severe pain dealing with them.

Meditation, healthy diet, supplements, and exercise (including yoga and tai chi) are more of a long term fix, but all help, and all work together to make each other more powerful and get the breakthrough pain reduced to tolerable levels.

David
 

Which cancers are you saying this might help reduce?? And i love
the beauty of Tai Chi but unless i can sit down may end up with
more problems. :) Sue

It's the aspirin that helps reduce the incidence and severity of some types of esophageal, stomach, breast, lung, prostate, urinary bladder, and ovarian cancers.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/a...cer-prevention

As far as Tai Chi, it's great, but some can't do it. We each have to find what is appropriate for us.

Rule #1 of exercise is to not injure yourself. You have to exercise judgment (sorry about that). Sometimes what is hardest to do is just what we need. When I started yoga, many poses had to be near or against a wall because my foot pain was excruciating, balance was gone, as was the ability to control the large muscles of my legs. After years of yoga, I can balance on one leg easily, walk a curb, and can control all the muscles of my legs, thanks to the training of yoga. I had a great teacher, Kathy Goodman, who wouldn't accept "I can't do it" from me. Her answer was, "You can". Then she'd find a prop or modification of the pose to help me along. She never gave up on me (and neither did I). BTW, my feet still hurt, but not nearly as bad, not 20/7, and the numbness is less.

Make no mistake about it. Without being over dramatic, none of this is easy. We're in the struggle of our lives with no guarantees, and it's for the long haul.

But the struggle itself is well worth it. Sometimes the past 14 or so years I've felt like child learning basic things and had the total joy of getting a function back, or being able to do something that I couldn't do a few years previous. That's why I'm somewhat of a zealot about this approach, hoping others here can go from the depths of despair to a good life worth living.

Hey, if my Alan can go from being a 300 lb man with Idiopathic PN, using Fentanyl patches, and vicodin.....to a 200 lb bodybuilder (as long as his foot ulcer doesn't act up), who is on no pain medication whatsoever, well I think anything is possible.

And I, myself take B-12 methyl.

But hey, if I needed a joint, I'd go to the park a few blocks from my house. Or I'd stand on the corner at 3 a.m. and just see who walks by. You can smell the stuff. It's all over the place in NYC. But I know it gives you the munchies, that's why, after my first experience with pot at age 24, there wasn't any more experiences. I could not afford the weight gain.

lol

Melody

my bag of tricks
 

When my pain reaches a point that I need to do something, there turn out to be a LOT of things I can do, short of taking a narcotic.

1. stimulate the area that hurts with a different sensation. ANY sensation. Cold, heat, hot wax (heated safely by a spa machine),

2. Lidocaine patches. If the pain is localized, these really do help. I've had times when the pain has gone away and that was the only thing I changed.

3. TENS. I love this. It's easy to use and lightweight.

4. movement---feldenkrais movement is about lying on the floor and making the most gentle of movements and gradually rocking around a movement. It hlps muscles let go, if muscles are the cause.

I think we all have our own bag of tricks

Liza Jane:

The one thing Alan has never tried is the Tens Unit. Dr. Theirl, a long long time ago, said he could borrow one and bring it home to try it. Alan never took advantage of this.

I do know what TENS stands for and the fact that it sends a mild electric current but how does this help with the pain? Wouldn't it make is worse (like when the podiatrist put that vibrating tool on my toes and feet and when I went home, my whole foot went bonkers) I never had one symptom before that.

I'm just curious how a Tens Unit helps PN.

Thanks,

Melody

Thank you for this. I thought maybe I would add a few that may help others that I learned in my treatment to help with anxiety. I'm having a hard time using it for pain but it stil helps with the anxiety a little. All of these take practice and time too. Guided imagery where you listen to a lady on a tape and she helps you with deep breathing or ways of healthy distraction. Different forms of therapy such as biofeedback or dbt. I also journal a lot and helps to see the connection of mood,issues,coping.
As for tens I have no idea but I heard it has helped others too. Isn't it a form of pt? As for the licodine patch. I just got these and try to use them but like yesterday it hurt to have anything on it. Today I'm trying and have 3 but does this also help in the long run to relieve pain overall like the precription meds for nerve pain?
Wing I agree its a combo of things. I was wondering are you also on meds pain and the nerve meds?Also to me the exercise issue is way off but even being on my feet more makes it feel worse. Is that in the short run but in the long run makes it better? Is it really just about trying to live and be more functionable with pain or does the nerve regenerate quicker?

Thanks for all these suggestions. You can bet I will be trying some of them. Right now nothing seems to help so I can sleep. I'll try anything!

David, what do you recommend as....
 

an alternative to Alkaseltzer when other meds one is on essentially 'forbid' Alkaseltzer?...Three of my primary -critical meds cannot be taken within 3-4 hours [before/after] of such a product? There are only so many hours in a day! Not to mention...breakthrough pain...could you please describe yours? Either currently or in the past?

Meditation, attitude-adjustment, visualization, outlook...optimism...Self-fufilling-prophecy negative/positive...That I get...all of it....Been there/done that-got that tee-shirt wore it out...has holes in it. should be a rag, but still wearing it..attitude...it's a good tee! Know what works for ME, but I, I have tailor made and adjusted/accomodated all philosophies to fit, my needs. I would really like to know what options, that didn't work for you, mite work for me? - j
Essentially I'd like to know what all you discarded as not working for you?

Ouch
 

As someone who cant take painkillers stronger then tylenol due to adverse reactions - (and unfortuately take quite a few of these with MD knowledge) - maybe its why and what is causing your pain also that may help?

My PN is predominately sensory, and I get the more constant burning, tingling, and aching from that in my legs all the time - I've really found that seems to be their sign to me to rest them - which after couple of days or relief, the intesity will let up sme.. I do have constant and pretty severe pain in my lower back with lumbar issues, and gut (still up for grabs) - but have found that tylenol is necessary at night - as they day goes on and if I keep changing positions my back pain subsides a great deal... and I have some aromatherapy spa gloves that I'll microwave and heat up - double purpose, as I'm letting them "do their thing" I'll lay them on my stomach to get the double benefit of the heat on them - which does help the pain a bit... (heating pads are great but learned the hard way not such a good idea for us folks with pn!)

Anyone else have problems with lidocaine patch???? Are there maybe any that might have less agressive type of med that might help? I was given lidocaine patches for my back - but within about half an hour would be flushed, shaking, heart racing... guess my body was saying, nope... but I've seen other patch type pain killers in drug stores - has anyone found any of these that might be helpful?

ALso, one thing that does work to distract me from pain - I'll put on my MP3 player that is a huge collection of music I've chosen each piece myself, turn up loud and sing... let the neighbors cringe in horror - who can hear em!

I know different methods work for all of us... my neuro says the tingling etc is worst at night cause the nerves are supposed to be at rest and because of the damage they have a real problem understanding that.... finding the right med for this is really a challenge as probably much of the key for a good nights sleep...

Just thoughts, and again, if anyone has found a patch or local rub on pain killer otc - love any ideas.....:confused:

Lidocaine patch
 

I am not too sure what this is. I honestly have not hear of them before. I have read many posts on them, but I have not seen them in chemists.

I use Feldene Gel on my lumbar spine when discs act up. each gram contains 5mg piroxicam, which is an anti-inflammatory, and then I lay on my heating pad. I also may take 2 voltaren. I have alot of back problems too,and varying degrees of pain.

The gel is good, but these sports gels have been getting quite dear lately. $13 for a smalll $50mg tube.

http://www.pfizer.com.au/Products/FeldeneGel/FAQ.aspx

David
 

Thanks i still can do yoga after yrs. of it. And after yrs. of dance lesson's
i have a heavy walker you would not want to fall on you. Since i have
PN in my hands they came up with this one. I do dance with it i can strech
and and it's strong enough to use as a dance pole.
But at night i put on music i love,and excape into it ,in my head i'm up and
dancing to all those dance steps my Mom paid for. Or i think of the
years i taught my kids to dance and dream of all the laughter. I wake
up tired and sometimes sore, so i must of had a good time. Music is
wonderfull it has always relaxed me,yes you can dance in your dreams.
My oldest is putting up a dance bar the next time he comes home,I wonder
if pillows might be a good idea,well the last time i was in PT they taught
us if we are going to fall better to relax and drop then fight it.
We have to think of something for K tummy like a soft warm musical pillow.
Ha i can see Mel out in the middle of the night getting a contact high.
But i wouldn't know anything about ahhh the good old days. whoops
imust of dosed off. Where were we oh i know Bonnie Raitt,I can't make you
love me.. D that's another good idea. And Reva Forever Yours and
KT Turstall Black Horse and the Cherry Tree now that one makes me
think Huh. And good old Billie Holiday Momma may have and papa may
have but god bless the child who has his own. My Grandbaby loves that.
Hope this finds you all sleeping and in some pain free. Hugs Sue

Geeezz Aussie
 

I just can't believe the prices over there,but still want to see it. Im
afraid to ask how much a house costs there. Let's all go over and see
Aussie and Brian. Everybody pack you bags,a holiday that's what we need.
Going crazy in Mo. Ahh well back to music. Sue

I have the lidocaine patch on now but on the box it did say some side effects you said. You may be allergic? How many have you put on cause maybe if you just try 1. Have you tried over the counter ones that may be less strength. As for meds I'm sensitive but not to the pain killers just the things like neurontin. I do wonder though maybe a different brand? I'm not sure your side effects but for me drinking milk with my vicodin helps the stomach and with a meal.The milk though coats.Be carfeul of too much tylenol for the liver. Have you tried tramadol or more anti depressent meds to help overall so less pain killers? Sorry not much to add but good luck

For Shiney Sue
 

Shiney Sue,
How old did you say you are?!!!! I find this absolutely amazing. That something like this still makes you dream. I love it too! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIO2qpSsUTA Enjoy!

Guess we never forget to dream. Watching this took my mind off the pain.

Billye

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/lidoderm.htm for info. People in the old forum reported using it for PN pain with good results.

TENS (Transdermal Electro Neural Stimulation) helps by;

- Interfering directly with pain signals. The TENS unit substitutes its own frequency and pulse.

- Interfering indirectly with pain signals by a process called lateral inhibition. If you stimulate a nerve, the adjoining nerves are inhibited. Instead of coming from a point like your locus of pain, the TENS stimulation comes from one or more large (1-2 inch across) pads, or better yet, in a Epsom salts solution bath so that the pain locus is inhibited.

- Stimulating the production of endorphins, the body's own natural pain killer and healing agent, in the synapses where nerves meet.

- There is a large body of research that TENS and other micro-electrostimulation help heal nerves and reestablish synapses.

TENS and other electrostimulators don't irritate the nerves, they calm them down IF USED PROPERLY!!

I don't use exclamation points often, but this is important. Understand what you're doing before doing anything to the damaged nerves and nerve endings in your poor feet, legs, spine, hands, etc.

Somebody in the old forum, for example, reported that the ReBuilder had caused bad pain that lasted for days. It turns out that they had turned up the level as high as it goes. As the instructions say, you're supposed to start where you can't feel it, and slowly increase the level to where you feel a tingle but no pain.

The same principle applies to ANY therapy, including pain killers and supplements. If a little is good and good for you, a lot may make it worse and may be extremely harmful.

Thank you David.

Tomorrow Alan has his appointment with the neurologist. He's going to ask her about the TENS Unit.

We shall see!!!

Will update.

Melody

Billye
 

Im 60 and i really enjoyed Thanks :) Sue PS we are getting that
Texsa rain,going to have to watch it somemore tonight. Hope your all
ok. :hug: :hug:

Sue, sure hope...
 

you do not find yourself in a situation of 'floating away' ....not by choice!
What we think of firm earth does sometimes change? :hug: - j

ALternatives
 

Sounds like there are non-lethal alternatives to some of this pain - need to look into some of the OTC creams mentioned and also if insurance covers any of the electronic units? I know for my back - the doc said tens wasnt strong enough - mentioned another machine that might work but was very expensive and non-covered - so not an option for now..... for the buzzing legs - David - does tens really help that? The ice is something I can try - but at night cant imgine getting up at midnight and soaking my feet! (my head mybe!)

Its been suggested by several wise members I have genetic testing for drug intolerances - so am going to look into this with my doc as we may be able to find something I can tolerate.... (I'm the poster girl for adverse drug reactions)

So we keep moving forward and hoping to find the right combo for each of us!:)

TENS units can be stronger than you can stand, but the current stays pretty close to the skin. EMS gets deeper, but is better for muscles than nerves.

Interferential units are strong enough and the pulse frequency and wave-form is adjustable for both muscles and nerves. They get much deeper than TENS, EMS, or the ReBuilder. They're not expensive, but the supplies can add up. I got my interferential unit at>>>>> oops, I must have deleted all the links and email to it.:( This is the unit MrsD recommended, and several links to companies that sell it. My physical therapist uses the IF 4000 when his big unit is in use. It works great:

http://www.medicalproductsonline.org...ential-if.html
(high price - pay by Paypal*)
http://www.med1online.com/pc-12508-2...nit-77719.aspx
(low price...but no instruction manual, and a different brand name. It looks the same as the IF 4000)
http://www.tartangroup.com/store/ite...1&ITEM_ID=1779
http://fitnessproductsplus.com/ecom....25&gotopgnum=1
(good price for IF-4000, with manual and case - pay by Paypal*)
http://www.amazon.com/Channel-Interf...3064954&sr=8-2
http://www.egeneralmedical.com/dual-...tens-unit.html (web site of the company that supplies Amazon...selling the same unit for $30 less than Amazon - pay by Paypal*).

* Paying by Paypal offers very cheap return insurance if you feel more comfortable with that, and Paypal gives you an extra layer of security since you don't have to type in your credit card number again after you're registered with them. That being said, I've had nothing but good experiences with online medical supply vendors.

David, I've tried 'tens' but...
 

the 'accupoint' pen version...Let me tell you that DOES set off NERVES big time! If you mean the attach contacts and plug in kind, whole different kettle of fish.
I guess My concern would be regarding stimulation of one severely sensorily compromised and the ultimate safety of such contact instruments...IF one can feel NOTHING from a particular area [all nerve endings being compromised] any contacts could be doubly/triply-dangerous would they not?
IF it were my back, spine and related areas, it shouldn't be a problem, but with the peripheral areas...I have not found much to direct appropariate therapies other than the tens-accupoint...do you know of any particular research or feedback regarding this tool that might be beneficial?
For me it is the 'sensorily dead' peripherals...I found for a short term of PT that That Pen worked in waking up dead nerves...or dormant ones? It did wake them up BOLDLY! Justification for the appliance would be a whole other matter. According to one PTherapist, a script has to be written and 'instructions' given..I was the one who found the 'protocols' for the therapists in the 2 different handbooks..Duh. How hard can it be?
Issue for me is I do not have any 'breakthrough' pain...it is constant, unrelenting, unremitting, and unforgiving. Please articulate the differences...I believe some new folks here do not know of these differences.
I have done "Alexander, Feldenkrais, Rolfing, reflex, accupressure, T.E.A.M. techniques and a few others. Some experiences have been with national 'gurus' of these philosphies....and/or their acolytes... But I went in well versed and grounded as to what I viewed the pros and cons' of any approach to 'HEALING'. I still do. I will end here. - j

Dahlek,

I wonder if the level was just set way too high. Logically, if the level was set at 0, you wouldn't have had that extreme reaction. What about if were set at 0.1 on a 1.0 to 10.0 scale?

We do have to be gentle and kind with ourselves. You might have had a technician or practitioner who was not sensitive to your needs or skilled enough to be doing what they did.

From the American Chronic Pain Association web site:
I think it applies to most of us, myself included. I don't think I slept through one night for about 4 years. That did wonders for my career as a computer programmer as you can imagine.

I guess, communication is going to be....
 

difficult then...as my 'normal pain' is constantly at a 6.7 on the Richter scale? Ironic issue then would be, I fall asleep, meds or not, sleep for X # hours and then wake up..same as before. Maybe then, by your definition, I should simply switch to the 'chronic pain' aspects of this board?
As for variations of PAIN...remember The Lawrence Welk Show...and the guys would finger up and down those accordion keyboards like Silk?...well my own pain goes up and down just like those chords...IN the course of one static morning I can go UP and DOWN that scale of chords in minutes...at least five times...I do not think this is 'breakthrough' pain. I surely WISH it was. I guess I would appreciate some input as to a 'definition' of what a 'consistent, pulsating, progressive' pain is...
Please help me with such defining such a constant process. Many thanks in advance - j

I don't know about your situation, and would be guessing. With me, my breakthrough pains are either "electric" type shocks in the joints, a feeling like a carnivorous worm is eating the flesh way deep, or a sudden increase in throbbing pain. They made life very difficult indeed when they were common, and still stop me occasionally and take the breath away.

It's impossible to do almost any activity or even think when that happens. I don't react with any fear or anxiety because I know that it will pass, and what to do to make it happen less frequently.

I sure wish it were one....
 

'carnivorous worm'! My pain is more akin to one constant 'throb' as connected to a hi-tension line...you know, the HUMMM. they give off? Imagine being 'plugged into one'. You mite be CLOSE. in that aspect, but not nearly as articulate in terms of 'feeling it'.
What I have is no parasite...believe me. - j

The tens pens are totally lo key, and there was no mega vibe involved...it was just vibe waking up dormant or malfunctioning vibes...at levels that make my electronic DH positively YAWN as to the 'levels'.. DH is HOT on anything that involves CURRENTS. Ergo, this stuff is totally TAME,,, unless applied to key 'nerves'..
Any input? I'd appreciate sources/resources - thank you - j

Fear-Anxiety? Tell me how, one can safely MOVE with out fears of fractures [usually-multiple] and without fear of potential balance issues.. inspite of or as a result of extensive physical therapies...This Really is an Issue that MUST be discussed in depth other than in passing. As we tend to do...then gloss over?
'

Dahlek,

If you could define your need for understanding clearly and in detail, that would certainly be worth its own thread. My understanding is that you want to know how to deal powerfully and effectively with health issues that cause falling, fractures, and intractable pain. Is that right? Another way to put its, is what you're asking how to live a life worth living with PN, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, general autoimmune disorder, rheumatoid arthritis, and other debilitating, extremely painful chronic diseases with no cure and few effective treatments?

What you bring up is exactly the type of issue that caused an explosive increase in knowledge about PN and techniques to cope with PN in the previous Braintalk forum.

Physicians and neurologists lurked and were active in the old Braintalk forum and and are in this forum. For obvious legal and social reasons, they participate as peers rather than as physicians, but I'm sure that we've helped move the knowledge and practice of medicine forward in regard to PN and associated issues through our professional participants. .

This isn't a complete answer to what you're asking, but I found the book "Sick and Tired of Feeling Sick and Tired: Living with Invisible Chronic Illness" to be full of helpful insights and advise. (http://www.amazon.com/Sick-Tired-Fee...3096763&sr=1-9 )

CHecking it Out
 

I just coughed up 97 cents to get the book! (new) but "used" on Amazon -cant beat that! :)

Buwahahaha!!! *gasp* I'm sorry. I had to laugh. Get your kids..... LMAO!! My kids would gladly do that for me. But I know many many people my age (in the 46 yr old range that is) who smoke pot. Getting it is not a problem. Getting it to work that way for pain is for me.

:hug: Thanks for the laugh! That helps too by releasing endorphins.

I agree, it was sooo funny!!
 

Lucky we haven't lost our sense of humour!:D :D

I go out of my way for laughter. I've become a junkie of sorts. I've found it helps me all the way around. Funny movies, jokes online, you name it I look for it. :D

Me too.
Old BT1 used to have a 'jokes' forum and it was very active, daily.
New jokes and funny stories every day.
With enough contributors, lotsa humor was there.
I miss it. Used to start my day off with reading, and contributing.
Here, there is a 'lighter side', but it isn't the same.

BTW- about 'your kids can get it for you'.
Short story:
I was self medicating for my undiagnosed foot & leg pains with
vodka. A lot of vodka.
When I was finally dx'd and found out that alcohol exacerbated my pain, I stopped drinking (for 4 years) totally. In the first few months
I tried weed again (not since my college days) and it was one of my
kids who got it for me. I had no idea where to look, but he said, "hey dad- wanna try some of this! "
(It took me off guard, but I gratefully accepted the gift.)
After about 3 months, I found that it really didn't do much for me except give me the munchies, and made me fall asleep earlier in the pm.
That's about when my neuro started me on neurontin & Ultram. It helped me very well for 7+ years, & then I switched to Lyrica (& Ultram). My only bad s/e has been weight gain. I'm the heaviest
I've ever been in my life. I put on 30+ lbs and can't seem to take it off.

Can't you just see all of us in ten years, sitting at our computers, still having the PN, but we are HAPPY PN'ers. We're toking on these joints and we're typing away at the keypads, still supporting each other???

Oh my god, I hope it doesn't come to that!!!!! lol

Melody

ROFLMAO!!! Now there's a visual. I still like a joint every once in awhile but I don't do it very often because it made my anxiety much worse. So I'm not tempting fate anymore.

LMAO!! Pot relaxes me. I feel real good. It's hard to describe. I used to love to get high and crank up the music and clean house. But it's not worth going to jail over that's for sure.

Haven't had a joint since I'm 24 and this year I turn 60. Maybe I'll have one for the gipper!!!! Saw that in a Ronald Reagan movie once!!!!

jeez, is my life boring or what?? don't drink, don't smoke, no pot, no fat, no sugar, low-sodium, joints ache, and now I've got PN. Only thing left is sex!!!!

Since my joints ache, Who has the energy for that????

lol,
Melody

Here's a joke fo you guys. Stop reading it's a bit sexy!!
 

Ok,

Jimmy asked his dad for a new bike for his birthday.

His dad said "Sorry son, we just can't afford a gift like that, you know we have a $300 thousand dollar mortgage".

The next morning Jimmy's parents woke up to find Jimmy's suitcase packed up, and Jimmy waiting by the front door.

Jimmy's dad asked "What on Earth is going on here son?"

Jimmy replied, "Last night when I was in bed, I heard you and mum yelling. You said you had enough and you were pulling out! And she said she was coming with you. And I'll be damned if you leave me here alone with no bike and a 300 thousand dollar mortgage!"

:D :D Ha! Ha! Ha!, good one Aussie :D :D