Looking for help or advice after a tooth extraction
 

Hi everyone,

I don't typically reach out for help but I really need some.

I recently had a ten year old root canal (#14 on my upper left side) start acting up after the crown came off by itself and was put back on. About a month after the crown was reattached I had a bout of throbbing and weird sensations in that tooth. They gave me amoxicillin and told me it was inflamed and to give it some time... I took the antibiotics and they readjusted my bite because I suffer from tmj and they thought my clenching could be bothering the tooth. Then only 10 days after that round of antibiotics I started having a severe itching sensation in that tooth. From there I started having pressure underneath my left eye and mild headaches and increased tmj. I went back to the Dentist and they gave me more amoxicillin and told me that I would need to retreat the root canal or have it extracted. At this point I had already researched root canals and had come to the realization that they are pretty much bad news. So I had it extracted on Wednesday September 2nd, 2015. I'm still on the last prescription for amoxicillin but after a few days of improvement it seems I am backsliding. I've had the pressure return underneath my left eye.

I realize that I could have infection in my jaw and sinuses, or that they may have punctured my sinuses when removing the tooth. These antibiotics are making me so depressed I can hardly function (happens every time I have to take them) and with two rounds back to back I'm losing all hope. I can't bear the thought of more medical procedures (scraping my jawbone etc.) and more extensive rounds of probably more powerful antibiotics.

I typically take care of my own health naturally... I prefer to take oregano oil for an infection over antibiotics. About three years ago I started eating pretty clean, no processed foods, low carbs, high good fats, no transfats... I eat as much organic as I can but can't afford all organic. Other than some hormone imbalance I was a happy physically fit healthy person until this tooth thing started. I struggled with depression through my adolescence and early 20s but now at almost 30 I've gotten it under control by mainly changing my diet. Now on these antibiotics I'm practically suicidal again and I hate the way this feels. It doesn't help that I have no dental or medical insurance and starting down the gauntlet of money sucking doctors is an overwhelming thought... What am I supposed to do? Put a second mortgage on my house just to feel better?

After all the research I’ve done I’m really scared. I am really just hoping for some advice. Am I expecting to get better too quickly? Is there any hope that it will heal up on its own? Also I’m a pretty serious practitioner of yoga and I’ve been too scared to practice since the extraction… Seems like inversions aren’t a good idea… But when can I go back to practicing? Even downward dog is an inversion.
I’ll be so grateful for any help or advice.
Thanks,
Julie

Hi Julie,
Hope you will find a relief soon...Here is what I'm doing...I just got 3 RC tooth extracted day before yesterday and my surgeon agreed to let me heal without anti-biotics and I'm taking tissue salts (kali s, calc s, ferr p, sil) and homeopathic remedies (Arn, Hyper, Led, Symph)...
I think tissue salts can be bought without prescription - as for homeo, you should probably consult a homeopath in your area ASAP. Please remember: I'm NOT a doctor and my advice is not equivalent to medical advice - this is just what I'm doing at the moment.
Get well soon.

Hi jer87,

I know you are scared and just want this all to go away. I understand :)

The dentist that removed the tooth, was he an oral surgeon or your general dentist? Did he inform you of a sinus perforation? Ideally, an oral surgeon would be the best choice for removal of an infected tooth, just so you know.

If your symptoms have not greatly improved by 9/8 and/or you still feel physically lousy, see the dentist to evaluate the area. Make sure to ask about a sinus perforation. A periapical xray, it's one single xray, can help determine if there is a sinus perforation.

Regarding the antibiotic.... some people feel really unwell on antibiotics. Not just with intestinal upset but ill in general. Believe it or not, this can be due to a poor supply of healthy bacteria in the intestinal tract. The best way to combat that ill feeling is to add good bacteria to your gut. Are you familiar with probiotic supplements? The one that I would recommend is called Saccharomyces Boulardii. You can purchase it in a drug store, health food store or online. Here is a little blib on it........
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296087/

Also, oregano oil, garlic, vitamin C and D, are all great at reducing inflammation and bacteria count. Garlic is the thought to be the number one natural antibiotic on the planet! FYI.... Chopping up garlic very fine before it is consumed releases the most potency.

Regarding the yoga.... although I am not a practitioner of yoga, I too practice yoga daily. I think you would be fine and it would be beneficial to do postural poses and stretches in which you are sitting upright or standing. Avoid bringing your head forward towards the floor. Your body needs to stretch and relax... simple yoga as I have stated would be good. Also meditation.... do you meditate?

How are you feeling today, since it's been a day or so since you first wrote to us?

Bryanna

Hi Bryanna and AH2015,
AH2015 thank you for your kind words. It always helps to know you're not alone and someone is out there caring! I am currently talking to a holistic/ homeopathic doctor but it all has to be long distance because I live in a rural area. I am considering the prescription they have recommended for me instead of more antibiotics but am a little unsure at this point. I know more about herbal supplements than homeopathy but I also know that homeopathy if pretty safe and effective.

Bryanna it was an oral surgeon that removed the tooth. My normal dentist didn't feel comfortable removing the tooth because it had a root canal and because I had a sinus that was clearly draping down over the root of the tooth in the x-ray.

I was very unhappy with the oral surgeon though! I let the staff and the surgeon know that I was incredibly anxious about it because I've never had a tooth pulled. They did nothing to put me at ease. There was barely a consultation, when he injected the local anesthetic I didn't get numb on my pallet (I always have a hard time getting numb) and I told him when he came back in. He quickly injected my pallet again but was so rough that I actually felt the needle slide like it was cutting in my flesh and he hit a nerve that made me jump on the chair... I'm tough. Normally during an injection I just breathe and know that it will be over soon. I really can handle physical pain very well but that was unreal, it was almost sadistic. Like he was punishing me for not getting numb the first time... Then without giving that anesthetic any time to work he started working on the outside of the tooth to remove it. Then when he got to the inside and pried the tooth out I'm pretty sure the bad taste in my mouth was all the anesthetic just pouring out. It was a bad experience! I'm pretty sure he didn't do any scraping of my jaw or cleaning out of the periodontal ligaments. There wasn't enough time for that between the tooth coming out and the less than sympathetic nurse stuffing the gauze in my mouth.

He didn't mention anything about a perforation in my sinus. Or really have anything to say to me after the tooth was gone. I barely got any information on after care. I had paid and left within 5 minutes of the tooth being ripped out with no request for a follow up either. I think this is part of the reason why I’m so unsettled about the whole thing. Removing the tooth was supposed to make things better! Not worse :(

I won’t be going back to that OS for any more procedures… I had considered calling to ask if they removed the necrotic tissue etc. (I read a post from someone else that you talked to on the forum) but since from what you said all dentists are supposed to do this during a tooth extraction I’m sure they would just lie to me and say they did whether they really did or not. I’m not sure now if I should call my regular dentist or not?

I do meditate and practice mudras as well as yoga. I find them very beneficial… I went to the beach yesterday after posting for some grounding and meditated while immersed in salt water holding a healing mudra. I felt better during this but as soon as I left the pain returned. Right now I am focusing on my belly dancing for physical activity because I am afraid to lower my head down for yoga. I am stretching as much as possible but it’s really hard to keep your head elevated.

I am aware about the importance of good bacteria… I make my own yogurt and sauerkraut and take a good probiotic when I can’t keep those going. I know my body is a microcosm and that the antibiotics are like setting off a nuke in there… Most people have no idea how powerful and dangerous most of the things western doctors prescribe are. At my regular dentist I mentioned being depressed by the antibiotics and they acted like it wasn’t possible but I found research just yesterday that substantiates the claim that gut flora play a huge part on emotional health. Only about 10% of the cells in our bodies are actually human. Everything else is little bacteria running around… It’s no wonder being an empathetic person that I become suicidal on antibiotics… I’m feeling millions of creatures die in my own body.

Sorry… I digress.

Thank you for the great article and I will make sure my probiotic supplement has those bacteria in it!

Today I felt better when I woke up but as I began moving around I felt some of the pressure return. Then I went about 45 miles away to my mother’s house and had pressure disappear completely for a while, only to return after I had been there for about 2 hours. I am wondering if I’m seeing a correlation with the antibiotics and the pressure. I had just eaten and taken my morning dose when I left. Then it was almost time for the midday dose when the pressure returned. With the midday dose I took an ibuprofen because I didn’t want to let it get out of control so I’m not sure if the pressure left with that dose or stayed. Today is my last day on the antibiotics, so I’ll have a chance to test that theory during the next few days.

I’ve noticed I also have a low grade fever that comes and goes. I do natural family planning for birth control and I notice that my temp is normal early in the morning when I wake up but as I move around during the day it goes up. Nothing high just around 99.5 or so. I did read that having a low grade fever was normal but I wonder for how long? It’s been 5 days and I’m really clueless as to what to expect.

I’m also wondering if maybe all this could be a little case of dry socket? Does that come and go or is it something where the pain is steady until it’s gone?
All in all I think I might feel a little better but between the ibuprofen (I never take that kind of stuff!) and the antibiotics it’s hard to tell. The extraction site is still very open but I think some of the swelling on the outside gum is down. My pallet hurts quite a bit still but I’m not sure if that’s from the last injection or the extraction.

I know this is all a lot… Even reading back over it I feel like I should just suck it up and wait for a while before doing anything but I don’t want to damage my health.

I thank you both for helping me. I’m incredibly grateful to have someone to talk to about all this.

Hi jer,

I'm sorry the oral surgeon was a jerk and did not treat you kindly. There is never a good reason to mistreat anyone ever. I'm so sorry :/

I am concerned about what could be lurking in the surgical socket or if there was a sinus communication. The OS should have debrided the entire area thoroughly without question. But it does not sound like he did that and again there is no excuse for not doing that. Can you consult with a different oral surgeon, one that is not associated with this guy? You would need to bring your pre op xrays with you. I would recommend doing that over seeing your general dentist because to be honest, he's not going to be much help.

Have you every considered trying a Biological or holistic dentist? They are usually much more knowledgeable and understanding of the oral and systemic connection and they tend to treat their patients more compassionately. The website IAOMT.org has a listing of these dentists who are located all over the world. That type of dentist may be a better fit for you since you are into self advocacy and unconventional health care.

I think you get temporary relief with the antibiotic and pain meds because they reduce the bacteria count and inflammation. But it sounds like once that builds up again, the pain comes with it. This could be indicative of a minor dry socket or a sinus communication or just inadequate debridement during the surgery. I really think another opinion with someone who you can trust more so than the os would be a good idea.

Are you rinsing with warm salt water? You should be doing that 3-4 times a day gently but thoroughly until the hole closes over with gum tissue. Also, stick with a nutritious soft food diet for another week or so to give your jaw muscles a rest and drink lots of filtered water throughout the day to keep flushing out the toxins.

I agree with you about the antibiotics .... they are often carelessly prescribed which leads people to assume they are safe to take repetitively. I also know without a question that there is a strong correlation between our gut and our brain. Which means when our intestinal tract is being attacked by the medications, our brain is not functioning optimally. It is common knowledge that antibiotics can have profound affects on the function of the brain... in some instances it's a positive affect but in others it's not. So don't not let anyone make you feel odd about how the meds affect you or tell you that there is no correlation. There wrong and you're right.

What do you think about the possibility of seeing another OS or a biological dentist?

Bryanna

Bryanna,

Before I had the tooth extracted I had looked into a biological dentist from that very website. There are no accredited biological dentists near me but there is one who is not accredited who is about 4 hours away by car. So I may call him.

My spouse just had oral surgery last month and was referred to a different OS than I was. He had an impacted wisdom tooth that he had to be put under to have removed. The OS was a lot different than the one I went to and I'm considering calling our regular dentist today to ask for a referral for him as a follow up... The only thing is it might take me month to even get in to see him.

This morning I'm glad to be done with antibiotics because I'm in tears and feel hopeless and I know a lot of that will pass once I get some good bacteria going... But I'm also scared about the possible infection getting worse. Talk about a catch 22.

I am also going back to work today after a break from the holiday, which means I'll have a very hard time making phone calls and receiving them. I clean vacation rental homes on the beach and have literally no cell phone service out there. It also means tons of bending over (i.e. scrubbing toilets and bathtubs) so I'm a little concerned about that.

I haven't been great about the salt water rinsing... A few times a day at best. It was just yesterday that I felt like the clot was sitting more firmly in the socket so I've been pretty scared and careful. I've realized that even without a straw I create a lot of suction when drinking... I also seem to press my tongue to the roof of my mouth a lot, which creates suction in there. Who knows what I'm doing in there at night while I sleep! I'll try to make sure to rinse with the salt water more.

Thank you Bryanna for taking the time to talk with me. I, like a lot of other people, joined this forum in hope of consultation with you. I've read a lot of your other threads now and I wish all medical professionals were as open minded, sincere, and as kind as you.

Thank you!
Julie

Okay... Just to follow up.

I called my regular dentist today after being rejected by a different oral surgeon. The OS I called would not even touch another doctor's extraction. Gah. I had read that somewhere out there but never thought I would run into it. My dentist called in Augmentin for me and asked if I would like him to take a look at it. I said yes! So I will be going in tomorrow morning.

I also called a holistic/biologic dentist about four hours away from me and made an appointment for Monday.

So hopefully all this will help.

Sadistic injections that hit the nerve are not normal and they usually don't heal overnight. You need to go back to the dentist where it happened to find out what happened.

So sorry
 

:(I am sorry for your experience. I had 3 back teeth extracted a week b4 you did. I had an abscess and 3 stubborn teeth. I was given a prescription mouth wash and was told to rinse after meals. I was also told to rinse with salt water these procedures are very important to your healing.

It is best to only have soft food I found anything else irritated it. Another thing I found out too much talking also irritated it

I returned to work and the next day I felt terrible my mouth hurt and I really felt punk. I called the surgeon and he gave antibiotic. I was given one when the teeth were extracted but allergic to penicillin and didn't know it so I SMTP taking it.

My mouth is still uncomfortable and hurts but it takes time to heal. Hope u are feeling better it is a shame you had unprofessional treatment with no human compassion. I hope you didn't pay him.

Cleo,

Most dental injections deliberately hit certain bundles of nerves in order to provide profound anesthesia and although they may sting and be uncomfortable, they are not given with any sadistic intent.

So can you explain what you mean by a sadistic injection??

A palatal injection, which is what Julie had, is necessary to numb the nerves more profoundly especially when there is an infection. These injections can be painful even under the best circumstances. I think Julie was taken aback by the way her dentist treated her in general and this painful injection didn't help matters any. At least that was my interpretation of what she said.

Bryanna

Julie,

It would be wise to start taking the sacharomyces boulardii supplement asap.

Also, get back to the salt water rinsing 3-4 times a day.

Did you see the dentist today?

Bryanna

The poster of this discussion said the injection was sadistic. I didn't suggest it was given with intent. it's always an accident. There is a huge world of difference between a normal injection and one that makes you jump from the chair. If the OS isn't notified about the ongoing pain.. he just assumes everything was perfect. are you under the impression that injection injury is non existent?

Julie,
You are getting right advice from Bryanna (she is the kind angel who helped me through my RC teeth extraction) and so I will not further give you any suggestion related to the teeth.
However related to immune system -
1) I just want to make sure you are not taking any refined flour or any refined sugar right? Sugar impacts the immune system.
2) This might sound like a placebo to you - but just keep affirming that your immune system is bouncing back, working in perfect harmony with the universe to keep you safe and healthy. I'm a big believer in the power of positive thoughts/ affirmations and it works for me and to some of my friends too (if and when you have time check out Luise L Hay's books or affirmations)
3) I'm happy that you do Mudras, please continue...you may not see any immediate help but they will be working silently in the background...
4) I'm glad you will be consulting a naturopath / homeopath
5) Finally here is a blog which motivated me to do without antibiotics - you might find it helpful - see how the blogger benefited from Enery work -
http://greensmoothiegirl.com/2012/11...h-were-pulled/

Remember this time will also pass like any other time (like water passing under a bridge) and you will be well before you know it.

Cleo,

Do you know what a palatal injection is? Have you ever had one?

These injections are referred to as nerve blocks and even with the best technique, they can be uncomfortable and perhaps even painful. Also, the interpretation of the experience will differ from one person to another for many, many reasons.

The palate is a very sensitive area of the mouth and the tissue covering the palate is very thick, very fibrous and very tightly connected to the underlying bone. In order to penetrate the palate well enough to infiltrate the pathway of nerves with the anesthetic the needle has to be pushed far enough in or the anesthetic will not be effective. Some people feel the needle going in, while others do not. Sometimes it will feel sharp, other times it won't.

Based on what the poster stated, she was very nervous, in pain, and had an inflamed and infected tooth. Her dentist gave her a poor impression of himself as he seemed to have little compassion for her anxiety. All of those physical and emotional things happening at the same time will cause an elevation in her cortisol (adrenaline). The combination of heightened cortisol, pain and fear will cause the psycho-biological nervous system to become more sensitive or acute making everything and anything very uncomfortable.

There are techniques that can be used to try and reduce the discomfort during a palatal injection. However, we really don't know if they were used or not by this dentist because his poor attitude was perceived as sadistic. You cannot always use pain as an indicator of something bad happening. But when you are in a heightened state of fear, any pain will be perceived as bad.

I am not condoning this guys chair side manner or his lack of compassion. I feel he could have and should have been more caring and obliging to this patient. I also cannot vouch for his skill or the technique that he used because I was not there.

There is no such thing as a "normal" injection when talking about anatomy or pain as everyone's anatomy is a bit different and everyone perceives pain and discomfort differently. An injection can be given according to the textbook and still end up wrong due to that patients anatomy. Because we cannot see through the skin to visualize the nerve pathways, we have to assume that they are at least somewhat in the vicinity of where they are suppose to be.

It is not unusual for a dental patient to move, jump or wince during an oral injection. After all, a needle is being put into a sensitive area of the body and the perception of that can be quite disturbing. It is also not unusual or automatically harmful to feel pain, stinging, burning or other radiating pain during an oral injection. At the same time, any or all of those sensations can be indicative of a nerve injury.

I am well aware that injection injuries do occur and acknowledge that they are often un-diagnosed or misdiagnosed. I think it is important that a dental patient make their dentist aware if they have searing pain during an injection either during the injection or after so that it is written up in their chart just in case there are lingering problems.

I am also aware that some dentists give lousy, careless injections. But the majority of dentists tend to be concerned about the ramifications and although they may not be gentle with the injection, they still deliver it properly.

Dentistry is complicated due to the different anatomical features from one person to another. So it's important to keep in mind that as a lay person naturally one would assume anything out of the "textbook norm" would be injurious. But in reality, that's just not the case at all.

Bryanna

Hi Everyone,

Sorry I disappeared for a few days. Here is a little update on what’s going on.
I went back to my regular dentist and of course he was unconcerned and saw nothing. He told me to keep taking the antibiotics. On my way home I was wishing that the holistic dentist I had called could get me in sooner because I really have felt there is something wrong.

Within a few moments of that thought I got a phone call and they had a cancellation and could see me that very day. The law of attraction is always at work! So I got with my spouse and off we went. It was closer than I originally thought more like 2.5 hours instead of 4.

It’s the best experience I have ever had at a dentist’s office. He had all the latest technology, some that isn’t even used in the USA quite yet. He spent 2.5 hours analyzing my teeth and mouth. He took plaque scrapings and analyzed them under a research grade micro-scope with a big screen right in front of me. At first I was thinking, “Oh no, this is the most elaborate sales pitch ever!” but it wasn’t. It was just the most thorough evaluation of my mouth that I’ve ever had. He did find one spot that needs to be filled (others we’ll try to re-mineralize); I’ve decided to go the ceramic route on my fillings from now on, which is more expensive. However, he did offer me a high grade resin/ plastic but we had already discussed and seen in my own mouth fillings “leaking” due to their age. Also I’m concerned about xeno-estrogens, especially considering that my TMJ might be the result of estrogen imbalance (that’s from my research not his). So ceramic is the best choice for me.

He saw on the X-ray that my left sinus is filled with fluid. He says if these stronger antibiotics don’t take care of the sinus infection that it could be fungal, which would make sense given the amount of candida that was in my mouth. Since it’s a problem that has originated with my tooth, he is willing to prescribe me an antifungal and a different antibiotic if I’m not better at the end of these. He also prescribed using my neti pot with xylitol in the solution 5 times a day, to starve out the fungus. I had to order the xylitol (it’s hard living in a small rural town sometimes!) and won’t get it until Saturday. Until then I’m just using the saline solution.

As to potentially having infectious bone tissue from not having the socket cleaned out I am going to have to wait and see. I’m going back for the filling, a cleaning, and to have a cone x-ray done in October. He says if it’s going to form a cavitation that by then he will be able to see it. So fingers crossed that my immune system can bounce back and kick some butt before then… Now I can rest easy knowing that no matter what problem arises in my mouth I have someone who actually knows what’s going on in there.

On a sad note I do have vertical cracks running down my front teeth from my TMJ. I can’t believe all the times I’ve been to the dentist (twice a year every year!) and not once did they tell me just how much I was damaging my mouth. I’m going to have to address the TMJ in the very near future. He has ordered some very cool technology that will analyze my bite and all the muscles to go with it, so when he gets his new toys I’ll be waiting in line for an evaluation. Until then, I’ll up my magnesium, try to destress, and address maybe getting a better pillow.

Now I’d like to respond to people individually.

AH2015,
I don’t eat any processed food and maintain a very low carb (sugar, grain, starchy vegetables) diet, so no worries on that count. To understand genetics and health better I read the book Deep Nutrition: Why Your Genes Need Traditional Food by Catherine Shanahan MD. It changed my life forever.

I fully believe in the power of the mind. Our thoughts produce incredibly tiny vibrations and thus are maybe the most powerful thing on the planet. The trouble is in controlling and directing our thoughts. With the depression from the antibiotics I have had trouble during this time on keeping with the positive but I am working constantly to redirect my thoughts.

After reading the link you provided, I feel like I will be addressing replacing my crowns with the metal in them and also having my last RC extracted. I was already headed down that path, especially after seeing how grey my gums are where they touch the crowns but it just reaffirms it. It might take a while to afford all of this dental work but there is no price on being and feeling healthy!

I wish I lived in a more progressive area and could find someone that worked with energy healing. I’ll have to look around but I’m pretty sure I’d have to drive a day away for that.

Thank you for your comments… It helps to keep in mind that all this will pass. Without suffering how can we ever appreciate the times that are good?

Cleo,
You are right. I said sadistic and I meant sadistic. I might have some nerve damage. I am still feeling little shots of pain in that spot occasionally. I did pay that dentist. He did the job (kind of, minus cleaning the socket!) that he was asked to do… Karma is an amazing thing though. It will come back to him, either in this life or the next. He will have to learn to put people above the money he makes. Fortunately, he’s so old that I think he’ll retire soon and he needs to. Maybe he won’t hurt too many more people before then. I won’t even call him to talk to him… Especially since I’ve found someone who actually cares :)

Bryanna,
To address your debate with Cleo. The pain I was in was more in my sinuses, with the RCed tooth itching to the point that it was driving me mad (my new dentist said that it might have been the glue used when it was reattached). Not the kind of pain that one would call acute. I was very nervous but I don’t flinch and move around during procedures. Both my RCs have been on the upper teeth, so I’ve experienced the painful pallet injection a few times. When this OS injected my pallet the first time he did it too quickly and most of the anesthetic poured into my mouth. I’ve since learned this is common with older dentists… They think quicker is easier for the patient. I don’t think he realized how little he got in there. So when I requested more he did it more to placate me, he was irritated at my anxiety, than to numb. He thought I was already numb and wouldn’t feel how rough he was being with the injection. He was wrong however and I felt it very clearly and had an involuntary muscle reaction to the pain. Of course he did all this with a smile and very little sympathy. He should have been less worried about throwing off his ridiculously over booked schedule and more worried about my comfort. I hate to talk badly about someone but living in the south I’ve just about had it with all these old doctors that can’t get with the program. They play god with your body and you have to suffer the consequences. I should have followed my instincts and left as soon as I got there… But I was more afraid of the infection than I was of shoddy care. I kept thinking surely with so much experience I’m in good hands. Lesson learned for me, when my instincts scream at me “Don’t do it!” I’m going to pay a lot more attention.

My new dentist seemed to feel the extraction sight was healing up okay. With the new regimen he put me on for oral care I think it will be fine. I had a lot of bacteria in there especially considering that I was antibiotics. Now I can feel a difference in my mouth already and I think that it’s helped with the healing considerably.

I got the sacharomyces boulardii supplement yesterday and will take the first one with lunch today. I am really hoping it helps with my depression.
I want to thank you. If it wasn’t for your comments I think I would’ve tried to wait it out. That would have been a huge mistake. I can’t say how grateful I am for my new dentist. I know that he will get me on the road to recovery. I will be in better health for addressing all the issues in my mouth instead of just the exploding ones.

I said at the beginning of this that I don’t normally reach out for help or advice. I’m so grateful I did.

Thank you to everyone who took the time to respond to this thread.
Julie

Hi Julie,

Glad to hear that you have a found a dentist who you are comfortable with and who seems to really care about your health. So YAY for that!!

Regarding a debate with Cleo... I am not here to debate, I'm here to educate. Because there are numerous "unknown" attributing factors surrounding actual dental and medical procedures, IMO, it is never wise to immediately assume that someone has injured you. I have enough chair side experience to comprehend how the OS treated you and I don't doubt that he was rough and "old school". But the symptoms that you had/have following this tooth extraction may not have anything to do with the injection and that was my point in recommending that you get an evaluation from another dentist. As you stated, there is still some uncertainty as to what may or may not be occurring in the jaw bone at the surgical site which again may or may not have nothing to do with the injection.

Glad you are going to take the S. Boulardii supplement. I hope it helps!

The book you mentioned .... Deep Nutrition.... that was a textbook requirement when I was studying nutrition. I too found Shanahan's information thought provoking. As a matter of fact, I am currently re reading it!

Hope you continue to improve and please keep us posted!