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kazzak21 03-17-2016 11:26 PM

Anyone know a good neurologist or similar in Auckland or maybe in Australia?
 
Hi there

Starting to get very frustrated, appreciate any help with my neuropathy. Have a sensory neuropathy but now have achy bone pain and GP and neurologist have said it is probably virus related or idiopathic. With GP saying if tests come back normal probably fibromyalgia even though I have absolutely none of the symptoms of that. Had this 9 months and came on relatively quickly.

Had four sets of comprehensive bloods absolutely nothing abnormal rheumatoid, ANA, vitamins, etc. Only borderline test was for Lyme disease but have not been exposed to it as live in NZ. On voltaren 100mg once per day which has made a little bit of difference. Medial ankle pain is getting worse both sides but cannot reproduce it functionally. The neurologist I have been seeing is just about to retire and has discharged me. Nerve conduction studies normal.

Would just like to get comprehensive testing and make sure there is no reason unturned. Prepared to travel if needed, I just want to see if I can halt its progression but Auckland and NZ seems too small to have this expertise. Very frustrated!! I would really appreciate it if you could steer me towards an expert in maybe acute or chronic sensory neuropathy....:confused::confused:

indigo 03-22-2016 01:54 AM

hi there. have you been referred to the Auckland regional pain clinic? My experience in New Zealand is that for neuropathy you'll be referred to a pain specialist. have you actually seen one? I have been to the Auckland clinic and have pretty mixed feelings about my experience there but it could be worth a go. I do think pain care here is not very comprehensive and the general attitude seems to be learn to live with it. Not a philosophy I share. I also think that there is a very conservative attitude re medication. Anyway good luck. Hope you can find what are looking for.

kiwi33 03-22-2016 03:14 AM

Kazzak21, it is a while since I lived in NZ but you could check out Healthshare (https://www.healthshare.com.au/).

It is an Australian site which you can search for all kinds of health professionals, including neurologists who might be able to help you.

banjanti 03-23-2016 06:53 AM

Pain responding to NSAID is a good sign, so is clean EMG
Most of the time neuro pain won't respond to regular painkillers
I hope you'll find a good pain clinic, they may be better help than neurologist, good luck!

bluesfan 03-23-2016 12:24 PM

Hi Kazzak21

I'm guessing you're willing to go private in your search for a neurologist so you may find some one on this website who can help.

http://2cu.co.nz/listings/find/neurologists

It may help to filter out those whose areas of specialty are less likely to include neuropathy. eg geriatricians will be focused on neurological conditions in the elderly. Also look for any that also practice in the Auckland DHB public health system - from your posts I take it you've already been there - done that - so they're not likely to offer anything further. Maybe look for someone with overseas experience/training in neuromuscular conditions etc.

I'm in the Waikato area and have only had personal experience of the Waikato Hosp. Neurology Dept. After a 6 mth wait for an appt. I got basically the same result as you. - so again unless you can go private things aren't much better down here in the public system.

All the best for your search and finding some help.

kazzak21 03-23-2016 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by indigo (Post 1205411)
hi there. have you been referred to the Auckland regional pain clinic? My experience in New Zealand is that for neuropathy you'll be referred to a pain specialist. have you actually seen one? I have been to the Auckland clinic and have pretty mixed feelings about my experience there but it could be worth a go. I do think pain care here is not very comprehensive and the general attitude seems to be learn to live with it. Not a philosophy I share. I also think that there is a very conservative attitude re medication. Anyway good luck. Hope you can find what are looking for.

Hi there. Thanks for your reply. I haven't gone down the pain clinic line yet. I work in the healthcare field so will probably try a pain specialist first (doctor). The pain clinic for some of my patients has been either a really great or a not so great experience. Did you see a neurologist in Auckland first? ;)

kazzak21 03-23-2016 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiwi33 (Post 1205415)
Kazzak21, it is a while since I lived in NZ but you could check out Healthshare (https://www.healthshare.com.au/).

It is an Australian site which you can search for all kinds of health professionals, including neurologists who might be able to help you.

Thanks for that, yes if I don't get any answers over here I will try and go to Australia. Sydney or Melbourne would probably be best. I have decided to try a musculoskeletal/rheumatoid specialist just to try and rule that out. Apparently this doctor has experience with unusual presentations. Is there anyone in Sydney you would recommend? Are we allowed to discuss individuals. I really appreciate the reply. ;)

kazzak21 03-23-2016 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bluesfan (Post 1205655)
Hi Kazzak21

I'm guessing you're willing to go private in your search for a neurologist so you may find some one on this website who can help.

http://2cu.co.nz/listings/find/neurologists

It may help to filter out those whose areas of specialty are less likely to include neuropathy. eg geriatricians will be focused on neurological conditions in the elderly. Also look for any that also practice in the Auckland DHB public health system - from your posts I take it you've already been there - done that - so they're not likely to offer anything further. Maybe look for someone with overseas experience/training in neuromuscular conditions etc.

I'm in the Waikato area and have only had personal experience of the Waikato Hosp. Neurology Dept. After a 6 mth wait for an appt. I got basically the same result as you. - so again unless you can go private things aren't much better down here in the public system.

All the best for your search and finding some help.

Thanks for your reply, yes I was a bit annoyed with not getting very far with finding out anything, it seems if the results are negative it is determined idiopathic. I am fortunate to be in a position to have medical insurance and I am going to try a musculoskeletal specialist and rheumatologist just to rule that out. The doctor I am going to does both. Have an appointment next Friday. Appreciate your reply, did you manage to find any answers?;)

kazzak21 03-23-2016 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banjanti (Post 1205608)
Pain responding to NSAID is a good sign, so is clean EMG
Most of the time neuro pain won't respond to regular painkillers
I hope you'll find a good pain clinic, they may be better help than neurologist, good luck!

Hi there. Thanks for your reply, hadn't really thought about that. Yes I think the antinflammatries have made a bit of a difference. I am off to see a musculoskeletal/rheumatologist doctor to rule these out and will try a pain clinic if that doesn't work. Trying to rule out every possibility if that makes sense. Appreciate your help!;)

kazzak21 03-23-2016 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiwi33 (Post 1205415)
Kazzak21, it is a while since I lived in NZ but you could check out Healthshare (https://www.healthshare.com.au/).

It is an Australian site which you can search for all kinds of health professionals, including neurologists who might be able to help you.

Will definitely use this site if have no luck over here. Appreciate your help! ;)

bluesfan 03-24-2016 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazzak21 (Post 1205703)
Thanks for your reply, yes I was a bit annoyed with not getting very far with finding out anything, it seems if the results are negative it is determined idiopathic. I am fortunate to be in a position to have medical insurance and I am going to try a musculoskeletal specialist and rheumatologist just to rule that out. The doctor I am going to does both. Have an appointment next Friday. Appreciate your reply, did you manage to find any answers?;)

Hi Kazzak

I have an auto-immune condition so I did ask specific questions about that being the cause (answer: possibly) but as I had other problems at the same time (medication toxicity & recent appendectomy) and also have osteoarthritis they couldn't give me a definite cause.

They didn't label it idiopathic but only because I got in first and said I wouldn't accept that label. My nerve conduction studies were negative and they didn't suggest any further testing: eg skin biopsy for Small Fiber Neuropathy (public health system = don't spend money unless you have to)

The only good thing to come out of the appt. was that at least it's now on my medical records and if I have to go back into hospital I can insist that they don't give me any medications that are likely to aggravate the PN.

I don't know who your insurer is but I searched "skin biopsy testing for small fiber neuropathy testing in NZ" and came up with the policy requirements for Aetna Health:

http://www.aetna.com/cpb/medical/data/700_799/0774.html

You may be able to get that done here if you meet your insurer's criteria.

Here's a very good article on the use of testing to help with diagnosis of SFN - it may be useful to help your insurer understand the need for the test.

http://practicalneurology.com/2009/10/PN1009_06.php

Just out of curiosity did you have any first-time vaccines within 6 mths prior to developing the PN?

kazzak21 03-25-2016 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluesfan (Post 1205800)
Hi Kazzak

I have an auto-immune condition so I did ask specific questions about that being the cause (answer: possibly) but as I had other problems at the same time (medication toxicity & recent appendectomy) and also have osteoarthritis they couldn't give me a definite cause.

They didn't label it idiopathic but only because I got in first and said I wouldn't accept that label. My nerve conduction studies were negative and they didn't suggest any further testing: eg skin biopsy for Small Fiber Neuropathy (public health system = don't spend money unless you have to)

The only good thing to come out of the appt. was that at least it's now on my medical records and if I have to go back into hospital I can insist that they don't give me any medications that are likely to aggravate the PN.

I don't know who your insurer is but I searched "skin biopsy testing for small fiber neuropathy testing in NZ" and came up with the policy requirements for Aetna Health:

http://www.aetna.com/cpb/medical/data/700_799/0774.html

You may be able to get that done here if you meet your insurer's criteria.

Here's a very good article on the use of testing to help with diagnosis of SFN - it may be useful to help your insurer understand the need for the test.

http://practicalneurology.com/2009/10/PN1009_06.php

Just out of curiosity did you have any first-time vaccines within 6 mths prior to developing the PN?

Hey thanks for that I really do appreciate it. No I didn't have any first-time vaccines prior to getting symptoms. I had the usual flu injection but I have had that every year for at least 10 years. I had a minor sore throat but honestly it was not even bad enough to get strepsils for.

The other thing is I went to Europe about 3-4 months before the symptoms began and ran two marathons in two weeks so don't know if I picked up anything from that. But don't even take Panadol usually.

The weird thing is some days I feel really good, but the thing really worrying me at the moment is the pain in my ankles which is often accompanied by burning and a bit of numbness in first three toes. I can run still but wondering if I am doing any damage. I'm a physio and can't seem to reproduce symptoms with range of movement and strength. So I guess that is why I am going to see musculoskeletal/rheumatologist specialist. Apparently he is used to rare things, he has history with SJorgens and stuff like that.

Did you get a skin biopsy? I want to leave no stone unturned....
:o:o

bluesfan 03-25-2016 03:43 PM

No - I didn't get a skin biopsy - I don't have access to private care. The public hospital neurologist didn't order a biopsy so I don't have a definitive diagnosis of Small Fiber Neuropathy. But but given that pretty much everything else was eliminated and neuropathy can be secondary to auto-immune Addison's Disease (dx 2010) this is the most likely cause.

I just dug out my neuro report and this is what he wrote when I asked about the possibility of SFN: "... unfortunately if this is the case there is little we can do in the way of reversing any processes in place, and symptomatic management is par for the course." Don't you love it when they're all too happy to prescribe drugs with side effects without even confirming a diagnosis.

If you've eliminated other possible diagnosis and can get a skin biopsy then it could help give a definite diagnosis - but won't show the cause. I've not come across any info on the protocol of skin biopsy testing for SFN in NZ (they are routinely done for other conditions but protocols will differ). There has been some discussion on the correct protocol for SFN on NT. Here's a link to one thread:

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/sh...iopsy+protocol

You can use the search feature to find more posts on "skin biopsy protocol"

If you decide to get it done privately you may want to ask them about the protocol they will be using - it may affect the results and I'm not sure it's commonly done in NZ for SFN.

It's interesting that you mentioned doing two marathons in Europe before onset - any chance you got a tick bite (Lyme) there that you weren't aware of? I know of someone who recently became ill about a month after coming back from a short trip to Canada - she is now being investigated for Lyme as she went horse-riding while there.

kazzak21 04-16-2016 03:25 PM

An update
 
Thanks everyone for your help finding a specialist. Well I managed to find one musculoskeletal/rheumatologist specialist and one pain/musculoskeletal specialist in Auckland. Surprisingly I had seen them both before for different reasons.

They were both awesome and generally concerned. Between the two of them I had some manipulations of my neck and thoracic spine mainly and had an injection into my right foot and the symptoms have subsided somewhat especially the pins and needles. I have also been working a bit on some "mindfulness" type techniques to do with pain.

Now I have taken myself off all medication, I have eased back into my running and tennis and am no worse off for it. While I do have numb feet most of the time when playing sport and flareups still the joint pain has eased significantly. I will followup with both of the specialists again next month. But I am so happy


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