for the women here:
 

I have had a remarkable thing happen.

I went to the doctor a couple of weeks ago, for a progress check.
At that visit she suggested I do a yeast treatment. (you know where)
I did not have alot of symptoms, but she saw the need during an exam.

So I did the one day dose Vagistat ointment (which is OTC).
I am not a fan of Diflucan, and don't like the systemic effects on the liver.
I had just gotten down some elevated liver functions, that I think were due to Claritin use. I stopped using Claritin when I stopped working (I have occupational issues at work).

A couple of days later, my burning feet stopped. It has been almost 2 weeks
and my feet...so much better. They burned terribly all summer and almost every day as the temps got cooler here.

So in another week, I plan to do another treatment just as a followup.

I am wondering if I had some allergic reaction to Candida? It is something to
think about.

Now this is really interesting, MrsD. I hope you will keep this thread running and let us know how this works for you. Some holistic doctors in this area are big believers in a connection between yeast sensitivity and health issues, especially in autoimmune disorders...

That would really be something if this were a cure for burning feet...
Cathie

Hey, give me some of that Vagistat and I will stick it in my nose, up my b-tt, bathe my feet in it, eat it, or offer it up as a sacrifice under a new moon, if it will STOP MY BURNING FEET!

Well
 

Susan that's exactly what i was going to say.....:eek::eek: Sue i'm trying
it..not what Susan stole from me,but what Mrs. D said.

I just checked this out on the internet. Very expensive.

I wondered what Mrs. D. thought of this stuff??

http://micronutra.com/candidol.html?...m=food%20yeast

And what foods should one avoid if one is trying to avoid anything with Candida??

Thanks, Melody

ingredients:
 

I get very suspicious when I cannot find the ingredients on a website! :yikes:

So I went here:
http://www.techmedica.com/candidol.html

What I am looking at is this:
http://www.wholeapproach.com/shop/prod010b.html#1201
The first two listings.

I will research this further, after I do my second treatment.

There is another product called RePhresh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lvEOSrrwkg
However, this product costs more than the Vagistat!

I found the generic version of Vagitat at Kroger's and it was 12.99
The first one I bought was the brand name and it was on sale at Walgreen's that week, luckily! (3 dollars off).

I guess things are more dicey for us post-menopausal gals!

I'll admit the burning feet were really getting awful... I was worried!
My tricks of comfort were wearing thin, etc.

Right now I am researching aldehyde toxicity...which is what Candida does.
That is why thiamine worked for me and the AlkaSeltzer I think. Both block
burning. Elevated aldehydes from metronidazole also cause flushing burning symptoms. Same with Niacin high dose, and aspirin is used to block that one.

So the clues were there for me, just needing to be connected. I waited to post this, thinking it was a fluke...but it appears not.

Thanks again
 

This is so interesting... Susan you already said those wre not your feet,
but I go to bed every night dreaming about how wonderful if they were..
Of course i would like them to,i think i even had them once..:):) Sue

Mrs D,
Sorry.... :o I lurked :winky: !!
How would some of us guys benefit?? :cool:
(administer topically to feet??)

well, that depends..some of these products are inserted. :wink:

Hi Bob...
 

I am thinking about this. Candida also colonizes the GI tract.
There are various --in fact a zillion--- Candida therapies, from natural,
to RX using nystatin and Diflucan. (the latter two drugs need a prescription).

Here is one test: http://www.betterhealthusa.com/public/159.cfm
also:
http://www.cfs-recovery.org/research.htm

My foot pain was mostly burning...80%... with some arthritic pain tossed in for some days. The burning was blocked by AlkaSeltzer with aspirin, and also thiamine, for me. Both of these interventions, are used for burning/flushing caused by alcohol dehydrogenase deficiency (thiamine) and the burning flush from niacin. So I would guess if you have burning tingling that is triggered by daily habits, and gone on others, it might be a clue.

Traditional doctors pooh pooh GI Candida. But others do not. The typical Candida starvation diet is no carbs, no alcohol, no sugar for at least two weeks, followed by some supplements, like caprylic acid.

The burning has dramatically gone away... this week especially.

It would be astounding if some of the PN we have is Candida induced???!!!

For now take the Thiamine. If there is some improvement, I think it warrants testing.

Well, I looked up what foods to avoid and guess what it said? HONEY!!! Alan puts honey on absolutely everything. Well no more after today.

I told him, no honey, no high fructose corn syrup, etc.

He goes 'oh, sure".

oh well

Mel

Well, Mel...
 

we are talking burning, tingling. Is that what Alan has?

His situation may be very different from some of the rest of us. After all, he
has an autoimmune condition.

Just because my burning issues are responding, doesn't mean he has Candida,
in the GI tract. You have to keep some perspective here.

Oh, I probably mis-read the thread then. I thought because he still has the burning between the toes, and the exema and the psoriasis (which is auto-immune, right), that he might have some candida stuff going on.

I don't think it's a bad thing for him to stop putting honey on everything. I mean, honey on this and honey on that, my house is all honey. Drives me nuts. I don't use it on anything. He can't have enough sweetner on anything ever since he did the fentanyl patch. It destroyed his taste buds. We asked someone and they called it taste perversion as a side effect of the patch.

He just said "if I give up my honey, and my cereals, there is nothing for me to eat at Dunkin Donuts for breakfast. He's right. Whenever we go, he has this huge coffee roll and a cup of decaf. Try taking that coffee roll away from him!!! Not a pretty sight. lol

I'm just going to focus on the foot ulcer and try and see what happens at that end. Then we'll worry about food stuff.

You take care,

Melody

Far be it...
 

for me to take away this man's HONEY!

But you know, too much fructose is not a good thing either.

GI Candida comes typically from frequent use of antibiotics.

And also, when people CRAVE things, that is a bad sign. CRAVE is more intense
than just liking something.

You'll have to be the judge in the end.

But, Mrs D....
 

Wouldn't it be more than a HOORAY or a WHOOP!! IF more than one of us tried it and it worked? I mean here all these researchers are scrambling at treating the symptoms...checking off one thousand three hundred and sixty seven different 'possibilities' and well, we got one more? And that WE might self treat and put them out of a job? Except for the 'residuals' of course. Golly, IT is so basic, simple a thing to cross off? And, avoid us all a whole heap of pain....
Next step tho is getting and trying the Monistat...On the one hand my mind is going 'oh no....not another', on the other it's going 'what the hay? Why not try it?...what is to lose in the trying?' I'm going really towards the latter hand. But, after all I have been thru? That hand is wavering and hesitating a bit...only because of possible other complications. I admit it! I am chicken about upsetting what apple-cart I have left. I suspect I'm not the only one here. IF I ask any of my docs that I'm to see in the near future, I'm sure they'd laugh their heads off at me...HUMMMMMM. Hugs anyhow? - j

Yeah, I'm THINKING, thinking and then overexerting myself and thinking more!

I know very little about this but I would think it would be similar to people who get sick from food allergies. Melody be careful though for your husband or anyone else because there are a lot of hidden sugars in products that one may not even realize. I was watching Dr Oz and there are so many things in products that consumers miss because there looking for words like sugar or honey only. I always wonder what makes people think honey or brown sugar is better then regular sugar or is it just preferance?

Daniella? You may be on to something...
 

but a thing more subtle than that which shows up on celiacs' or other gastro testing. How does one convince a doc to test for this FROM LEFT field kind of issue? You know THEY aren't gonna connect any dots,,,, if any doc had-well they woulda gotten some sort of award by now, no? We have to prove it somehow...first by getting tests for the BEFORE then the AFTER...now are there order/mail-in kits one can do? I mean I have over 10 docs working on me for a whole slew of things...This would be one heck of a hard sell. I will be seeing two of them in the next 3 months, but honestly I don't think I want to WAIT that long for a simple, minimally invasive 'POSSIBLE'? It's kind of like deciding to take B-12 or not, really. I am still pondering....... - j

As for Dr Oz? Well he does put things together simply....but did you GET all those other alternative sugars words???Dextrose, maltose, sucrose, fructose...and well there are about a zillion others for the processed sweetener 'flavors' IF it can't be pronouonced, I try to avoid it. I just try to use foods if processed, put the ingredients in plain language. Simpler the better. Or, better yet? Plain food, cleaned, cooked and on the plate. Whatever is added? I add.

I'm sure
 

you have seen them but there are vit.'s in packages. Say if you take
Lipitor, you open the package and there you go,just saw it on TV and
we all know they never lie,about anything.
J My Dr. friend took me to see Sweet Eyes the horse,I did what you told
me to do and guess what he didn't bite me...I'm to sore to get on him,and
I'm sure he was greatful for that. I think the Dr. friend knows he hasn't
a chance,i'm madly in love ,with that old horse. He let's children ride him,and
they get all there body muscles moved,i of course get a pressure sore,he's
beautifull. :hug: to all Sue


















eyes

D
 

What part of CA. and i think you may be on to something as well..Sue

Sue? Last time I got on a 'sofa'?
 

Wasn't quite hairy, and far far from dumb. Not like a fence-post at all. [Which some docs folks here encounter seem to be...Gee a horse being smarter than a doc? Go figger HA-HEE and all that]. But, I did notice a LOT of muscle loss in a place one can only appreciate if sitting in a saddle! I will not elaborate...leave it to the imagination.
No REAL horse person would ever NAME a HORSE 'SWEET-EYES' if they did NOT have absolutely that trait! Trust me on that. As for them being big? They are really like large dogs...they really like their treats and they like big fat sloppy pats on their necks and forehead and even [sigh] at times on their butts [backsides?]. They would much rather RUN from threats than face them...all those movies about horses defending folks? Fergit it...They plain old do not want to get eaten...that's where they come from. As for prep speak mumble and always touch them if you can when near. They do not see well 'things' that are near. They can see too well 'things' afar, but not near. Speaking and mumbling...I call it cooing? helps them..IF you watch their ears...they are keeping a whole 'sensory' outlook of where you are in relation to them....The more you touch them, the more they will respond to you...

Mrs D? I am afraid I am guilty of 'hijacking' this thread...but the name...'Sweeteyes' well, plain old got to me.... I remember winning [tho not trying to,...just having fun] on a beast called 'Sweetie' and she sure was!] My own large critter? Well, I had LOTS of names for him? He wasn't one such as mentioned above,....but, he did have a few moments when he was while not cuddly, almost adorable. Oh well...One thing he DID train me for? Was the ability to cope with all sorts of adversities! Beast was one large walking VET BILL! He retired well and met his own end with grace. Something we all can aspire to I hope. Enough - j

Plain old hugs to all!

As far as yeast infections.....I've been the queen of yeast for years. I've tried everything imaginable to get rid of them but nothing worked.....then I started taking

opps my internet bleeped and sent this message.......how strange!!
Anyway.....I started taking Co Q 10 for general good health and since then I haven't had a yeast infection! It's been wonderful not having to deal with yeast all the time.

Not a bad thing to do....
 

I too had a terrible time with yeast infections after a surgery to remove an ovarian cyst. Looking back I know it was systemic but appeared to be contained in my gut and female parts. I never regained my energy after surgery. Years went by and then I had a root canal, antibiotics, and the flu. All of sudden, some of my joints would be red, swollen and tender. Docs had nothing for me on this because I didn't have enough symptoms for a diagnosis.

Started to do research on my own and ending up trying dietary changes. That helped the yeast infections alot. But nothing seemed to help all of it.

So then I went to a chiropracter/applied kinesiologist who worked with nutrition, allergies and candida. It made all the difference in the world. I basically went on the candida diet, took certain nutrients and had adjustments done.

There are so many cleanses, books and products on it now, that it can be overwhelming. But a good way to check is to go on a pretty strick diet for one to two weeks and see how you feel.

You cannot have any sugar, yeast, dried fruits/vegetables, fermented products (mustart, ketchup, vinegar, soy sauce) unless they are lacto-fermented, alchohol, jams, etc. You need to check all labels - peanut butter may be loaded with sugar. No processed carbs like white bread, rice, etc. Also, any foods you are sensitive to should be avoided. Limit your fruit intake to two a day.

It's also good to make sure your bowels are moving daily and to take a good probiotic.

So what's that leave you with....whole foods! Brown rice, quinoa, oats. There are yeast free breads at health food stores. Do it before the holidays though! You really have to avoid all processed, canned, bottled, and prepared foods.

And men are also subjected to candida.
Here's a link to a questionaire regarding candida.
http://www.bodyecology.com/quiz.php

I think the bottom line is that our modern lifestyle sets us up for some level of candida and that from time to time, it's a good thing to work on.

Marlene

Hi. Are you on this diet now to see results? I think for myself not with the yeast issue but with my diet I feel in my heart something is bothering me but its finding that. I agree docs do blow off nutrition issues and are not going to look deeper. I guess doing a safe trial or finding a specialist. Just like for ex some people who have been tested for gluten and it comes back fine go on a gluten free diet and get great results. I think the key is do an diet that restricts things in a safe way with help or finding a plan. None of us need other problems. I wish Dr Oz could give us all a consult and put us on a whole plan consisting of meds,treatments,diet,pt. I really feel a whole approach would help so many of us. I know in my past a malnurished body and for some that doesn't mean underweight but for ex those with low b12 can't always absorb meds in the proper way I heard. I have no clue I'm rambling. Anyhow Sue I'm in Ventura area. It sounds like your still dating your doc friend. I hope things are good. Everyone else feel better.

Wanted to mention that one can get yeast infections in their MOUTH too. :eek: This is probably autoimmune related. Conventional treatment is Diflucan, but I think anti-oxidant supplements wouldn't hurt.

For the gut problems, don't forget to eat plain nonfat yogurt on a regular basis. The organic yogurt has more types of active cultures. You can also do the probiotic supplements, but I figure the real food is better if you can tolerate it.

Too tired tonight to be more helpful or specific. Sorry.

fanfaire
:cool:

Mrs D or?
 

Speaking of yeast - just had an infection that treated - but now my gi doc wants to me try eyrthromycin (SP?) for gastroparesis - it helps gastric motility in that it makes your stomach contract (when healthy I took it before dentist visits and would be curled up in a ball from the cramps) - but he wants me to try lower dose - I'm really concerned about yeast and also, C-Diff - if I use this... anti-b's and I dont get along at all - cipro gave me c-diff for six months that after being treated repeatedly with flagyl and oral vanco zapped the my sensory nerve conduction (believe the flagyl and/or infection cause of that)... anyway - I cant tolerate lactose - live on ensure only - but the gi symtoms are not getting any better at all and i've got to do something (right now i'm on reglan and tigan all day long).... any suggestions on how to avoid c-diff with this and of course yeast that doesnt contain lactose?

thanks:confused:

I agree...you really don't want to be hit with c-diff. Can you use a liquid probiotic like the one listed here?


https://shop.bodyecology.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BE301

Yeah, the erythromycin for gastroparesis is a double-edged sword. I take it only rarely if I am having a really bad day and I need to go to a social function like a dinner where it is crucial that I not have digestive problems. Otherwise, I just have to control my digestion with diet and gravity (staying upright at least 3 to 4 hours after each meal) as I cannot tolerate ANY of the motility meds.

I have been able to avoid the yeast problem by not taking the erythromycin more than once in a week. But if you need it more often, I'm not sure what to suggest other than strong probiotic supplements.

I hope Mrs. D can help you out more.

fanfaire,
who also has a crummy tummy :rolleyes:

well...this is turning into a hot topic!
 

Kmeb-- I found this:
http://www.wdxcyber.com/npapvg12.htm

Read down near the bottom. Erythromycin is not such a big player, like other
antibiotics. In my experience in the past, Tetracycline/doxycycline were the worst for me.

Earlier on in this thread was link to boric acid suppositories, and a lactobacillus agent as well. I think they are worth considering.

Other than that, once a month Vagistat, may work. This OTC product used to be RX but is now out there in stores. So far it is working for me.
The burning for me in the last 6mos was ferocious... And I never suspected the yeast until my doctor saw it. I guess I was just "used to" it.:o

More suppositories! Now, what are the poor guys with yeast problems supposed to do? Alternate orifices? Just kidding. I have just been having wild pictures come into my head while reading this thread....!!!! Good info, though, MrsD.

Mrs. D,

That would be great if the candidas was the culprit all along and you can remedy it. :)

I KNOW I don't have any yeast infections and haven't for ages and ages. But I have also had a total hysterectomy which doesn't mean much I don't guess. But I do use Premarin cream and/or Vagifem. I have read that too much can cause yeast infections but my dose is soooo low I haven't had it happen for at least 7 years.

Anyway, I also know it can be in the mouth, stomach, etc.

So, I just wanted to say...maybe you are onto something here! :)

Could someone please help me understand what this all candidañ yeast infection is about?? Probably due to language interference i haven't been able to understand what this thread is exactly about. First i understood a yeast infection is some kind of vaginal infection, but when i read you can also have it in the stomach or in the mouth i stopped understanding. So what really is a yeast infection??? How do i know if i have one?? If i have one, how can i be treated? How is this related to neuropathy?? What is Candida?? How is it related to sugar consumtion or to diet in general?? Sorry for my so many questions. I can relate myself a bit to this because i took Tetracycline for two years, so i am wondering if this is somehow related to this type of infection, what do you think??. When my neuropathy started i had just taken a large dose of zovirax because my doctor thought i could have shingles. I never had it so i have always wondered if taking zovirax when i really didn't need it somehow contributed to my neuropathy onset. I am thinking it can be related to this thread, am i wrong??? Sorry if this is off topic but i had to get rid of the doubt. Thank you

Monica:

Candida es un natural y beneficioso de células de levadura que vive en el tracto intestinal. Se trata de mantenerse en equilibrio por las buenas bacterias que también viven allí. A veces, las cosas pasan, que cambia la buena bacterias. Se cambia la célula de levadura.

La nueva célula de levadura se mueve por todo el cuerpo, y luego se transmite a los órganos de levadura causas de las infecciones vaginales **** de cualquier parte de la piel. Si es en la boca, que se llama La candidiasis.

¿Cómo puede esta levadura Candida ser tan activo? Las células de levadura de hongos en su cuerpo injest los azúcares y carbohidratos que usted come, y luego esas mismas células de levadura eliminar alcoholes y expulsar a una gran variedad de venenos llamados micotoxinas.

Las personas con Candida tienen que hacer cambios de estilo de vida.


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Okay, I got the explanation of Candida and yeast infections(off the internet), and how it moves throughout the body and the fungal yeast cells in the body ingest the sugars and carbs that we eat and then these same yeast cells eliminate alcohols and expel a large variety of poisons called mycotoxins. I explained that yeast infections can affect various parts of the bodies, and in the mouth it is called Thrush. In spanish you write it: Si es en la boca, que se llama La candidiasis.

This is particularly interesting. My mother, who was believed to have an autoimmune disorder, passed away at 63. It was never really proven that she had: Lupus, Polyarteritis Nodosa or any of the autoimmune disorders, despite some wierd test results.

Her doctor sent me what was left of her records at death. In her lungs was Candida, which was probably responsible for her respiratory failure. She had been on long term steroids, Cytoxan and antibiotics. I see nothing that indicated anyone had ever even looked for Candida...

I try and stay on oral Nystatin tablets myself, because one, I am on antibiotics a lot, and two I am on Prednisone all the time... Together, these flare up Candida in the GI tract... No one ever looks for it. I don't know about other people who have this, but in the GI tract, it seems to cause MUCH bloating and pain... Nystatin takes care of this...

I don't think oral Nystatin is hard on the liver, like Diflucan is. MrsD might comment on this, but I think I read that it mainly stays in the GI tract.

Cathie