Oh gosh, help....posible trigger
 

Suicide talk......so don't read if you are fragile.


















Wes has been halucinating and hearing things for over a month now. Longer? But the voices are telling him to kill everyone and himself.

We called the pdoc this morning and he is out of town. Driving back in actually. He can't see him until the am.

What do I do with him in the mean time? None of his meds help. We doulbled up everything and he couldn't sleep. 4 klonopin and he couldn't stay asleep longer than a couple of minutes because the voices kept screaming at him. And he is so angry.

He is controlling his desire to hurt any one. He keeps saying "I love you mommy" over and over again.

This so sucks.

Does anyone else have trouble with breaking through their meds or the meds just stop working on them out of the blue?

He thinks the zyprexa is making it worse. I dunno anymore. Maybe?

We are going to try and hold out for the pdoc in the morning. Wish us luck.

And any advice would be very helpful. :hug:

This sounds awfully scarey....
Could you take him to the emergeny room?
He needs to be sedated so that he doesn't hurt you or any one else....
Do you have any haldol?
there should be another pdoc on call for your pdoc who is out of town....
I think taking him to the er is the safest thing.
I wish he had better more sustained results with his meds.
It seems like he goes ok for a while then the putter out.
hugs to you my dear.
bizi

Mrs Bear

This is distressing because your a Mother, and the primary carer.

When some one says they want to kill themselves, you advise them to seek medical intervention. When someone says they are told by external voices to hurt themselves or others, you should call 999[911 in the USA]

In the UK, UNDER THE MENTAL HEALTH ACT of 19 seventy.....something. People in an acute pyschotic state can be detained be in an hospital environment, and if need be under this act against their will, this is called a SECTION, this is done by two doctors, and one or two proffessional persons[ usualy police officers].

Mrs Bear please do NOT see your son's current episode through the eyes as a Mother,

WES is unwell and his thoughts are not of this realm. He is clinical unwell and his thought process is not in the realms of normality. If this means hospitalisation through force is the course needed then so be it.

Your ultimate aim is that WES and Others remain Safe.......


Mrs Brown make the call tonight, to the appropriate bodies and tell them your son is in CRISIS...

PLEASE GOD BE BE BRAVE, AND ABOVE ALL BE SAFE.


David:hug::hug: and one for WES:hug:

Mrs. Bear,

I agree with David. Hugs to you and may you have the strenght to do the right thing.

befuddled2

Dear Mrs. Bear,
I hope that Wes is safe tonight.

I don't know any good advice except I have heard that sometimes people do better when they lower the AP -- these meds are so tricky sometimes. Also, Bizi's suggestion for Haldol sounds good . . . . maybe keep Haldol around for emergencies -- but maybe you already had that talk with the pdoc.


Mari

He is safe. He's home. He went through a major high for a few hours and finally slept. Still hearing voices and hitting bottom again.

Haldol! Never heard of it. But now I have something to talk to the pdoc with in the morning.

Bless you all.

Dave, I am not ignoring you. I am taking your advice very seriously. The only reason he is not in the hospital right now is because he is controlling his violent impulses. Here in the states, we have to be a threat to ourselves and others. Thank heavens he is not there quite yet. Very close, but his self control awes me.

Wes goes through psycotic episodes about 2 to 3 times a year. This is the first time it has been prolonged with out a break or response to meds. Even when I hospitalized him 2 years ago, it didn't last this long. He's been like this since he was 12. If you were to look at his dosages, you would be astounded he walks and talks.

He is sleeping in the room next to us and he is never out of me or my husbands site. Never. Plus, for unknown reasons, our family dog calms him. Keeps him together. *shrugs* hey if it works.......

Thank you. Thank you, thank you.

I will let you know what the pdoc has to offer in the morning.

Dear Mrs. Bear,

You are kind to come on here with the update to let us know that things are under control. I'm glad that he is sleeping.

I'm guessing that the men in your life are deeply devoted to you for your ability to keep them close when they need it.

That's great that the doggie helps. Is the dog sleeping with him? I can see that the dog would keep him calm.

On another forum a host talks about her psychiatric service dog. Apparently, she is schizoaffective I think. For example, the dog helps a lot with her hallucinations by not alerting to them. If the dog doesn't see anything, the owner, knows that the thing is not happening -- not sure if that makes sense. I could direct you to her if you want. She is very helpful and participates in NAMI and such. . . . Anyway, something to think about for the future perhaps.

Mari

Mrs Bear,

I am so glad things calmed down, good luck at the p-doc's. Pets can be calming.

Hang in there....keep us posted....good luck

Nikko:hug:

I hope today went alright and that your pdoc helped you guys....
((((HUGS))))
bizi

Alternative treatment
 

Dear Mrs. Bear,

I am well-known in these parts as a medophile. However, when they are simply ineffective, after long and diligent attempts to use them for remediation, perhaps it is time to look into remedies that are more dubious. I am led to suggest this by another poster's suggestion that you might keep Haldol on hand for Wes. Haldol is a very old, very potent, and very dangerous anti-psychotic. It can cause tardive dyskenesia, which is incontrollable, and permanent tongue movement, (darting, rotating, and the like).

There is a natural, and controversial anti-psychotic treatment that involves supplementation of four essential minerals. It is called "EM Power Plus", manufactured by Truehope. Dave Moyer, author of, "Too Good to be True, Nutrients Quiet the Unquiet Mind", is a big booster of it. According to him, it substantially remediated the psychosis and depression of his son, although he still gives his son standard prescription anti-psychotics.

I am not trying to boost this product. All I know about it is the history of its discovery and the claims that its promoters make of its effectiveness. I must add that my sister, who has Major Depressive Disorder, but not psychosis, used it for some months without apparent effect.

However, when one is weighting the use of Haldol because other, more modern and safer anti-psychotics have failed, it seems to me to be appropriate to take a long-shot at a different treatment.

Good, good good luck!!

emergency med
 

Dear Highhatsize,

I sort of suggested that she could ask about Haldol as an emergency med while Mrs. Bear is waiting overnight for a visit with the pdoc.

I think that people are given that med sometimes upon admissions to er.


Yes, that med is troubling because of its side effects.

Mari

I suggested the use of this med because she was desperate and yes they use this medication in ER's when you have emergencies such as wes's. and they have a med called cogentin that they give to help off set side effects from the haldol.
When I was first diagnosed bipolar in the late 90's...I was given extra doses on hand of haldol to use in case of emergencies, but I was also given cogentin too.


My heart jsut breaks for the severity of Wes's case and how unstable he becomes...it is jsut heart breaking for you and your family mrs bear.
(((((HUGS))))
bizi

Mrs Bear

I'm glad Wes is more settled..

the pet thing....Hey thats why a dog is known as 'MANS BEST FRIEND' [Fantastic]


David

The pdoc did rx Haldol with cogetin. He also increased the abilify by double. We are dropping the Lamictal in half and will increase the depakote 250 mgs then do labs.

He was chipper yesterday, but woke up in a depression this morning. His moods are everywhere. He is with my husband today because that is where he feels the most safe.

Thank you all so much.

HighHatSize, I have heard of the book you mentioned, but haven't read it. But, your suggestion has made me think..............I will start giving him a fairly large dose of B12. It has worked in the past, I had just forgotten. It helps his mood.

Love you all.

WEll I am glad to hear he is somewhat better, glad that your hubby helps him to feel safe.
You take care sweetie.
sending well wishes to you and your family.
bizi:hug:

Hello Mrs.Bear (and all!!),

My heart goes out to you.

The support you are receiving here is what helped me though those teenage years with my youngest son (who is now 24!)... back then, it was the depression and tourette forums for me.

In the 10+ years that I have participated in the old Forums and this one, I have seen advancements beyond our wildest dreams.

Here you will absorb very useful information - use what you know is right for you and your son and your family.

In my wildest dreams, I pray that there will one day be an easy fix for mental illness.

Your son is very lucky to have you as a mom. :hug:

And I forgot to say - thank God for your Dog.
They are very sensitive!

HAH! YEAH!!

The voices and halucinations stopped yesterday. He was on the phone with his dad and they just stopped. He is still very blue, but we tried some B-12 this morning and we start upping is depakote tonight.

He even slept in his own bed last night.

Oh thank you so much. It gets so heavy sometimes. I need you guys when it gets this rough.

:grouphug:

and yes, the dog is awesome. He's so funny. If I am too tired or hurt really bad, he'll come lay on my chest and won't let me get up. lol He's a great fur baby.

Hi,
Glad to hear things are looking up and Wes is better. The stress you are under must be awful.

Love Dogs, they are the best!

Hugs, Nikko:hug:

Mrs. Bear, I'm so glad to read that Wes is "better"... leave it behind, learn, and grow....
man, have I ever grown.
I wish I knew then what I know now.

Don't forget to take care of you, too. And get all the cuddles you can out of that doggie...

Bizi - I forgot to answer the question about the cat in the sunset - no, he's not my cat... I stole this atvar off the internet somewhere - my siamese cat's silouette is similiar and we have beautiful sunsets over the ocean. :) so I had to steal it... don't tell anyone ;)