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AfterMyNap 01-23-2008 10:54 AM

This is new (to me)
 
I had to go wee wee, but could not go,
My gut said "yes", my wee wee said "no"

I was up in the night, to try and do it
My wee wee still let nothing go through it!

Now I'm wondering, is this at all bad?
The opposite is worse, and makes me so mad.

lady_express_44 01-23-2008 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AfterMyNap (Post 193742)
I had to go wee wee, but could not go,
My gut said "yes", my wee wee said "no"

I was up in the night, to try and do it
My wee wee still let nothing go through it!

Now I'm wondering, is this at all bad?
The opposite is worse, and makes me so mad.

Are you serious, Cindy? :eek:

This is not good at all, and you can't leave it. You will need to be relieved SOON, or it very well could result in a UTI (which is very bad for us!).

You will need to get cathed!

BTW, this only happened to me once, and I was good by the morning. It's not necessarily a "permanent" symptom, but something that can not be left any length of time when it happens!!

Cherir

Curious 01-23-2008 11:29 AM

cindy...have you gone yet?

a warm bath can help. kinda gross...but you can relieve yourself in the water. :o

i had a problem after my c-section with my son. went fine inthe hospital, but when i got home..i went almost 24 hours. NOT good.

Vegasgrl 01-23-2008 11:31 AM

You need to get to an urgent care or an ER now. I had that problem a couple of months ago but if I pushed really really hard I could get a little out. I went ot Urgent care and they gave me a medication to relax the bladder and I was able to urinate, no cath needed.

I think you have more to worry about than just a UTI, where does the urine go once the bladder is full?

AfterMyNap 01-23-2008 11:32 AM

Thanks everyone, it's coming a little at a time, I have a call in to the neuro so we'll take it from there.

Yappy, honey, bath+me= 911! It's a nocando!

I just need to get P.O.d!!!!!!!!:D

ETA: Hey! This just in, it's just out! I took some extra Zanaflex this morning and it seems to have helped. Neuro will call back with instructions from here.

Thanks, everyone, I've never had this before.

hollym 01-23-2008 11:45 AM

I was going to suggest an anti-spasticity med. I had this problem before and extra Baclofen helped. It seemed to be a massive bladder spasm or something. I was so glad it went away. I'm glad the Zanaflex helped you, but you should probably also consider a urology consult.

Riverwild 01-23-2008 12:00 PM

Awww, jeez Cin...I got back up, couldn't sleep, came in for a few minutes to see who was on and I see this!

So----

"I'm glad your wee wee is now open,
I'm sure you sat there full of hopin',

That something would come through there soon,
and then it happened before noon,

I promise not to give you grief,
I'm just glad you got relief!!!

( deleted verse- "get the doc to check this out, before we whack you in the snout!" )

:D

Let us know how it goes! ( or how you go!!) :hug:

SallyC 01-23-2008 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AfterMyNap (Post 193790)
ETA: Hey! This just in, it's just out! I took some extra Zanaflex this morning and it seems to have helped. Neuro will call back with instructions from here.

Thanks, everyone, I've never had this before.

I was going to say "This too shall pass" and look!!!! It Did..:D

When I have to go #2 and bowels are full (TMI), my wee wee won't work, until....well, you know..:eek:

mbsews 01-23-2008 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AfterMyNap (Post 193742)
I had to go wee wee, but could not go,
My gut said "yes", my wee wee said "no"

I was up in the night, to try and do it
My wee wee still let nothing go through it!

Now I'm wondering, is this at all bad?
The opposite is worse, and makes me so mad.

DSD or detrusor sphincter dyssynergia is a common urinary symptom in MS and was one of my earliest symptoms. It means there is a lack of communication and coordination between the muscle that is suppose to relax to let urine out (urinary shincter) and the muscle that is supposed to contract to empty the bladder (detrusor). Zanaflex did help me but there are some others that work too...like Flomax. ;) Sometimes it requires self-cathing though.

If this is an acute new symptoms for you then you need to call your neuro, Cindy. If you have not emptied in more than 12 hours you need to do something emergently. :(

I guess it's better than being wet but it can get pretty annoying to spend so much of your day waiting for urine to come out. I did find that just sitting there and trying to relax and let it come out was sometimes more effective than pushing. Running water while you are sitting also helps a bit.

OY! If it's not one thing it's another. :rolleyes: :hug:

Editing to add....Hurray! Glad the immediate crisis has passed. That happened to me very shortly after diagnosis and I was in big time pain!

SandyC 01-23-2008 12:09 PM

Cindy, it sounds like your bladder is having spasms and not allowing you to push it through. Jim is taking Oxybutinin to relax the bladder. I hope they find something that works for you.

Now, you could always sit on the pot with your fingers under warm running water. Just saying. :-)

Jim said bending over while on the pot helped him too.

Vegasgrl 01-23-2008 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SandyC (Post 193825)

Jim said bending over while on the pot helped him too.

Ah, I forgot one of the doctors suggested to me a foot stool in front of the toilet to bring your knees up and bend over. Something about this position helps you relieve bowel and bladder.

Kitty 01-23-2008 12:32 PM

Cindy,

I'm glad you got some relief - I've had this happen before and it's not fun - especially not knowing when or if relief will happen. :eek:

I just wanted to add - I'm so glad that we can all laugh about it. I know it's not really funny when it happens to us (and it's definitely not fun) - but having a sense of humor about it can actually reduce the stress and anxiety we all feel. I loved your little rhyme - and Riverwild's congratulation speech!!!:D

Riverwild 01-23-2008 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by herekitty1960 (Post 193866)
Cindy,

I'm glad you got some relief - I've had this happen before and it's not fun - especially not knowing when or if relief will happen. :eek:

I just wanted to add - I'm so glad that we can all laugh about it. I know it's not really funny when it happens to us (and it's definitely not fun) - but having a sense of humor about it can actually reduce the stress and anxiety we all feel. I loved your little rhyme - and Riverwild's congratulation speech!!!:D

Hey, when I laugh I pee half the time anyway! I thought maybe it would work for Nappy too!;)

Kitty 01-23-2008 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverwild (Post 193888)
Hey, when I laugh I pee half the time anyway! I thought maybe it would work for Nappy too!;)

:ROTFLMAO:

Yeah, me too!! That or sneeze!!!

Snoopy 01-23-2008 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollym (Post 193804)
I was going to suggest an anti-spasticity med.

That was my thought also.....great minds :)

Cindy, have you spoken to your neuro yet?

tovaxin_lab_rat 01-23-2008 01:05 PM

Good morning my friend! I get this quite often! Doc has rx'd valium for me. 5 mg and nice cup of hot tea and voila' I'm peeing in no time! And then I cath just to make sure it's all gone!

That was my first symptom - no can do for 3 days! Talk about being miserable!!! Yowsa!!!

Went to the ER to get cath'd 3 times!!!

I hope all is well with you this morning!

Jappy 01-23-2008 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AfterMyNap (Post 193742)
I had to go wee wee, but could not go,
My gut said "yes", my wee wee said "no"

I was up in the night, to try and do it
My wee wee still let nothing go through it!

Now I'm wondering, is this at all bad?
The opposite is worse, and makes me so mad.

Just checked in and was very upset to read your post. Didn't quite
know what to tell you. Went on to read the rest of the posts and was happy
to read that you were able to let it gopppppppppppppppppeeeeeeeeeeee.

I know ms can cause this. I have never had it happen, and pray that
I will not experience this problem. Talk to your neuro about this. Let us know
what his advice will be.

Jappy :hug::hug:

Chris 01-23-2008 02:21 PM

Oh Cindy,
I have to do intermittent self-catheterization twice a day because I started to experience this several years back. I thought I was emptying my bladder but apparently each time I went, it was not emptying completely. I was referred to a Urologist and underwent Urodynamics and I was holding more than 100 cc's of urine at times. They decided to teach me the SIC then, and I've been doing it twice daily ever since.

Now, I don't fret that I'm not emptying my bladder completely because I know that twice a day I will be cathing. I was getting urinary spasms at the time, and I haven't had them since then either. Perhaps you need an evaluation by a Urologist. If they do suggest SIC, it really isn't so bad. I'm so used to it by now, that I don't think about it. I just do it every morning and every night after I brush my teeth. I'm glad you were finally able to go. But, this is not a symptom that I would take lightly, it's just part of our lives.

DM 01-23-2008 02:34 PM

Hey diddle ~diddle, the cat and the fiddle.
I'm sure glad AMN went piddle.


Now, give me back my avatar!!


*poking pins in AMN doll*

Does your eye hurt? How about your foot?

*getting out knitting needle*

GIVE HER BACK!!! *sharpening knitting needle*

Chris 01-23-2008 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by daisymay (Post 194045)
Now, give me back my avatar!!

Here, borrow my old one. Everyone enjoyed "Mags".:D


http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/g...etThatcher.jpg

AfterMyNap 01-23-2008 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 194027)
Oh Cindy,
I have to do intermittent self-catheterization twice a day because I started to experience this several years back. I thought I was emptying my bladder but apparently each time I went, it was not emptying completely. I was referred to a Urologist and underwent Urodynamics and I was holding more than 100 cc's of urine at times. They decided to teach me the SIC then, and I've been doing it twice daily ever since.

Now, I don't fret that I'm not emptying my bladder completely because I know that twice a day I will be cathing. I was getting urinary spasms at the time, and I haven't had them since then either. Perhaps you need an evaluation by a Urologist. If they do suggest SIC, it really isn't so bad. I'm so used to it by now, that I don't think about it. I just do it every morning and every night after I brush my teeth. I'm glad you were finally able to go. But, this is not a symptom that I would take lightly, it's just part of our lives.

Thanks, Chris, my neuro called and I am to call in first thing tomorrow with a full report, and we may have to take action. She was relieved that I'm going now and even asked if I've been under unusual stress.

So, if I keep going as usual, I don't need to call in until tomorrow. Here's hoping!

Chris 01-23-2008 02:59 PM

Fingers croosed!!:winky: Just don't cross those legs of yours, you may have trouble going again!!:D

SandyC 01-23-2008 03:29 PM

Ummm, do you two know you have the same avatar? :Hum:

Cindy, I hope this is temporary for you.

hollym 01-23-2008 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SandyC (Post 194134)
Ummm, do you two know you have the same avatar? :Hum:

Cindy, I hope this is temporary for you.

The wee wee problems or the avatar???:eek::D

tovaxin_lab_rat 01-23-2008 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SandyC (Post 194134)
Ummm, do you two know you have the same avatar? :Hum:

Cindy, I hope this is temporary for you.

I think its temporary!

:p

AfterMyNap 01-23-2008 03:53 PM

Back to the topic, my neuro is hoping that it's just a little glitch and it will end by tomorrow. Otherwise, they're gonna hook me up.:eek:

SandyC 01-23-2008 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AfterMyNap (Post 194177)
Back to the topic, my neuro is hoping that it's just a little glitch and it will end by tomorrow. Otherwise, they're gonna hook me up.:eek:

Do you mean cath or uro dynamics testing?

AfterMyNap 01-23-2008 04:25 PM

I'm not sure. She said that if it starts up again, I'll be going in and we'll talk about it. I think it's a little better now, but I'm not sure I've conquered it completely.

NurseNancy 01-23-2008 04:25 PM

cindy,

i'm glad you went but make sure you're really emptying.
it may be time for a urology or MS urology consult.
they will ultrasound your bladder to make sure you're emptying.

i had this problem some time ago and the urologist wrote a Rx for catheters etc. at least i have them in the house for emergencies.

stay on top of this before the wk is out.
and, that's an order missy!
Tweeeeeet :D

tkrik 01-23-2008 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AfterMyNap (Post 193790)
Thanks everyone, it's coming a little at a time, I have a call in to the neuro so we'll take it from there.

Yappy, honey, bath+me= 911! It's a nocando!

I just need to get P.O.d!!!!!!!!:D

ETA: Hey! This just in, it's just out! I took some extra Zanaflex this morning and it seems to have helped. Neuro will call back with instructions from here.

Thanks, everyone, I've never had this before.

You were peeing while typing this too us? LOL You must have a laptop. LOL. Oh Lord, who knows what AMN is really doing while typing to us. :eek::wink:

AfterMyNap 01-23-2008 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tkrik (Post 194508)
You were peeing while typing this too us? LOL You must have a laptop. LOL. Oh Lord, who knows what AMN is really doing while typing to us. :eek::wink:

Attachment 2177

No.

It's feeling not right again, I so don't want to go camp at the doc's tomorrow.:(

tkrik 01-23-2008 06:40 PM

AMN, I go through this often. It's frustrating and I feel for you. Hopefully you can get some studies (urodynamics, ultrasounds, etc.) done to find out what is going on. So that it can be taken care of soon.

tkrik 01-23-2008 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AfterMyNap (Post 194519)
Attachment 2177

No.

It's feeling not right again, I so don't want to go camp at the doc's tomorrow.:(

OUCH! lol

Know the feeling. I had to camp out today and it was not fun.

Speaking of camp - maybe you could put your hand (wrist) in the warm water. You know like we did to kids in camp. LOL.

Koala77 01-23-2008 06:42 PM

[QUOTE=mbsews;193823]DSD or detrusor sphincter dyssynergia is a common urinary symptom in MS and was one of my earliest symptoms. It means there is a lack of communication and coordination between the muscle that is suppose to relax to let urine out (urinary shincter) and the muscle that is supposed to contract to empty the bladder (detrusor). Zanaflex did help me but there are some others that work too...like Flomax. ;) Sometimes it requires self-cathing though...............................QUOTE]

I've been there too. I couldn't pee for weeks unless I pushed hard and pressed on my bladder, then I got into self cathing and tra-la, easy peasy! After about 5 months of cathing, I'm only using them very occassionally now...like once a week or once a fortnight, instead of every toilet trip.

I'm glad your's is settling down AMN, and I too hope it's just a little glitch for you. :hug:

AfterMyNap 01-23-2008 07:07 PM

Tell me something, you cathing ones, do your fingers work right, or are they like mine, numb & dumb (can't quite hold a pen or cup, etc.)?

Riverwild 01-23-2008 07:18 PM

Cin,

I hate to do this cause it's such a serious subject and I am in NO WAY making fun...

but I woke up today and the first thing that came into my mind when I sat down for daily meditation in the meditation room was Marshall Tucker Band's song...Do you remember "Can't You See, oh can't you see..what that woman's been doing to me"

When I was much younger and sillier, I used to sing it as ....

"Can't you peeeee? Oh can't you pee..." :cool:

( end of OT silliness!):winky:

Chris 01-23-2008 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AfterMyNap (Post 194573)
Tell me something, you cathing ones, do your fingers work right, or are they like mine, numb & dumb (can't quite hold a pen or cup, etc.)?

I don't have problems with numb fingers, but I do know of people who cath and have awful tremors and cath. GET THEE TO A DR. TOMORROW YOUNG LADY!!! You don't want to end up with a Urinary Tract Infection! OK???????:mad:

Koala77 01-23-2008 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AfterMyNap (Post 194573)
Tell me something, you cathing ones, do your fingers work right, or are they like mine, numb & dumb (can't quite hold a pen or cup, etc.)?

No my fingers aren't numb, but my co-ordination's out of whack. You should see me trying to get my aim right.......no, on second thoughts, I don't think we'll go there. :winky:

Please listen to what Chris said, get checked out. I'm sure you know UTI's aren't fun at all.

AfterMyNap 01-23-2008 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koala77 (Post 194672)
No my fingers aren't numb, but my co-ordination's out of whack. You should see me trying to get my aim right.......no, on second thoughts, I don't think we'll go there. :winky:

Please listen to what Chris said, get checked out. I'm sure you know UTI's aren't fun at all.

TMI! TMI! TMI! TMI! TMI! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Chris 01-23-2008 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Koala77 (Post 194672)
You should see me trying to get my aim right.

My husband has problems with this as well!
:D


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